Bioshock Collection - Would you kindly talk about these games?

IMO. Bioshock 1 and 2 were pretty good games. Bioshock 1 was better then the second overall, but the second polished a few things from the first.

BSI was just a mess. All the pre release videos showed something vastly different then what we got, and its pretty apparent something happened near the end of its development that caused most everything to get redone in a rushed manner.

BSI wasn't terrible IMO, it just wasn't what it should have been. And the plot was a rambling mess that very obviously had so many revisions that the devs lost track of what was part of what revision.
 
Aww, don't be like that. I meant finding (heh) the symbolism, like DS2 being about Oedipu's Complex.
 
I'm torn on that because I just got the Bioshock Collection and need to decide what I should play next because my eyes were bigger than my game time:

I have:

Rise of the Tomb Raider
Michonne
Batman: The Telltale series (which I hated the beginning of but have been told gets better)
Far Cry: Primal
Wolfenstein: The Old Blood
Life is Strange
Deus Ex: Mankind Divided

Should I perhaps buy Dark Souls and start it up with these ahead of me? Tough call.
 
CT Phipps said:
Rise of the Tomb Raider
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That game is shit, I find it even worse than the first reboot and I already found the first one to be terrible as well. I haven't mustered the strength to finish Rise yet since I stopped playing it since a little after the beginning of the year when it released for PC(glad I got it for free with my video card). It feels like it drags on and on.
 
CT Phipps said:
I'm torn on that because I just got the Bioshock Collection and need to decide what I should play next because my eyes were bigger than my game time:

I have:

Rise of the Tomb Raider
Michonne
Batman: The Telltale series (which I hated the beginning of but have been told gets better)
Far Cry: Primal
Wolfenstein: The Old Blood
Life is Strange
Deus Ex: Mankind Divided

Should I perhaps buy Dark Souls and start it up with these ahead of me? Tough call.
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To be able to enter the face-raking club, you have to be a bit on the mood if you are impatient or frustrated easily, as you'd think "I've got more fun games to play :/"
I'd say, play some of the ones in the list, and go to DS whenever you feel like it.
Also, if your computer is in the lower end, you may have issues as Souls PC ports are pretty bad but for DS2.
 
The Bioshock games are quite atmospheric but I feel that their writing falls flat. 1 had a good twist but became lackluster afterwards while 2 felt like a rehash of 1 (though I did have a liking for the parent-child approach the story took at times along with gameplay improvements).

Infinite... I need to reassess since I did like it but the story does have issues and is not a paragon of game writing (Planescape: Torment is still top to me and nothing so far has surpassed it).

CT Phipps said:
Should I perhaps buy Dark Souls and start it up with these ahead of me? Tough call.
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Have a listen to reviews like this one (yes, Yahtzee is more comedian than critic but he found a lot to like in Dark Souls) to get a feel for Dark Souls and whether its features (aside from the touted difficulty) appeals to you:

I bought Dark Souls 1 and enjoyed my time when I played a little (stopping upon realizing that the keyboard controls were ill-suited to the game (with and without mods) and that I needed a controller for the game which I don't have).

EDIT: Tbh, I prefer System Shock 2 over any game from the Bioshock series. Now that's a great game with great atmosphere and an alright story (until the last bits).
 
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The Bioshock games are quite atmospheric but I feel that their writing falls flat. 1 had a good twist but became lackluster afterwards while 2 felt like a rehash of 1 (though I did have a liking for the parent-child approach the story took at times along with gameplay improvements).

Infinite... I need to reassess since I did like it but the story does have issues and is not a paragon of game writing (Planescape: Torment is still top to me and nothing so far has surpassed it).


Have a listen to reviews like this one (yes, Yahtzee is more comedian than critic but he found a lot to like in Dark Souls) to get a feel for Dark Souls and whether its features (aside from the touted difficulty) appeals to you:

I bought Dark Souls 1 and enjoyed my time when I played a little (stopping upon realizing that the keyboard controls were ill-suited to the game (with and without mods) and that I needed a controller for the game which I don't have).

EDIT: Tbh, I prefer System Shock 2 over any game from the Bioshock series. Now that's a great game with great atmosphere and an alright story (until the last bits).
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That Zero Punctuation video is pretty spot on, yeah.
Do you have a PS3/XBOX controller around? You can emulate and use them for almost any game with software like Motioninjoy, SCP Driver, Xinput...
 
Arnust said:
Do you have a PS3/XBOX controller around? You can emulate and use them for almost any game with software like Motioninjoy, SCP Driver, Xinput...
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Not really, no. I am thinking of getting a controller one of these days but I'm short on cash.
 
Oh, I always listen to Yahtzee even if I don't always agree with him and find some of his choices for games to review to be bizarre.

I think Bioshock is an interesting example of how likable characters can get you a very long way with games. Andrew Ryan and Atlas are capable of carrying the entirety of the game despite the fact it is "just" a shooter while I love all of the characters from the subsequent games.

Bioshock 2 feels very much like a retread and has serious flaws in the fact you don't actually "feel" like a Big Daddy and move like a normal person. Also, there's no reason Mark Meltzer couldn't have been the protagonist (Dad who's daughter was kidnapped and taken to Rapture). Just make him Sofia Lamb's baby daddy who escaped from Rapture before returning and you have a great plot.

Sarah Bolger did a great job as Eleanor and I really wouldn't have minded her being a protagonist in a future Bioshock. Certainly, she was chipper and likable with a kind of bizarre relationship to the main cast. Sofia Lamb may not have really fit in with Rapture but I also felt she was a strong villain and if not as good as Andrew Ryan, she still had a lot going for her.

Booker, Comstock, and Elizabeth I've already said how much I enjoy but I also feel like the three characters are trapped in a plot which undermines them. The game also leaves a nasty taste in my mouth because of Burial at Sea because it's clear Ken Levine doesn't WANT redemption to be an actual theme of his games. When I first played Bioshock: infinite, I thought the ending with Bookie waking up and his baby was meant to show redemption and how the world had worked out.

A kind of secular Christian ending where Bookie dies for Columbia's sins and saves them as well as himself while Elizabeth becomes the kind of messiah she should have been.

Burial At Sea undid all that.

So, weirdly, I think I prefer Delta and Eleanor. In fact, I think it's interesting how the games change without Ken Levine. Choice is actually important in Bioshock 2 and has a serious effect on the ending while Ken Levine made the entire point of B:I that there's no such thing in video games.
 
CerberusGate said:
Not really, no. I am thinking of getting a controller one of these days but I'm short on cash.
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I snitched one out of an uncaring friend, and the cable from an actual PS3
Lemme tell ya, the most important thing is having a comfortably long cable.
 
Despised System Shock 2, heard that Bioshock is even worse, never touched the series until Infinite's hypetrain.
In B:I I couldn't even figure out nothing due to criminally low FOV and quirky mouse movement, another shocking uninstall.
Why do these games' developers are so incompetent in such basic things as *aiming*?
 
0wing said:
Despised System Shock 2, heard that Bioshock is even worse, never touched the series until Infinite's hypetrain.
In B:I I couldn't even figure out nothing due to criminally low FOV and quirky mouse movement, another shocking uninstall.
Why do these games' developers are so incompetent in such basic things as *aiming*?
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Consoles are always first while PC is usually an afterthought.
 
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