Brian Fargo on Wasteland 2 and Fallout 4

Discussion in 'NMA News and Information' started by TorontoReign, Oct 23, 2015.

  1. TorontoReign

    TorontoReign Guest

    PC Gamer posted this interview today with Brian Fargo, who I'm sure we all know created Wasteland, the major inspiration to the Fallout series. In it he talks about what he thinks about Fallout 4 and how it differs from Wasteland 2, which has recently been updated with Wasteland 2: Directors Cut. A small portion can be viewed below.

  2. whirlingdervish

    whirlingdervish Brahmin Cavalry Commander

    Jul 3, 2007
    I kinda wonder where this writer got some of the dubious info behind their claims.

    kinda like this one: "let's be fair, a multi-million-dollar Kickstarter doesn't even begin to approach the budget a big-time studio like Bethesda can bring to bear"

    Skyrims budget was about 85 million US dollars according to any source I can find.

    A current early access game (Dayz SA) has sold 3 million copies at 30 bucks each, is still selling, and all this before even providing a beta (its barely at the level of a tech demo after 2 years). 90+ million dollars for something that's effectively a kickstarter, it just used steam to get people's money.

    "Fallout 3, New Vegas, and soon Fallout 4 are powerfully immersive first-person experiences that are as much open-world shooters as anything else."

    that one tho.. lol. "powerfully immersive" in the same piece that mentions their unexplainable unkillable NPCs and now instead of games they are "experiences"

    It gets harder for me to actually believe these people are journalists every year.
  3. Wretched Flamingo

    Wretched Flamingo Sofa King

    Feb 14, 2010
    I can think of only three games off the top of my head where you could kill children and they were Fallout/Fallout 2 and Jagged Alliance 2.
  4. generalissimofurioso

    generalissimofurioso The Hole Time Orderite

    Jun 17, 2007
    Does Prey count?

    I don't know if shooting the ghosts of children counts.
  5. Wretched Flamingo

    Wretched Flamingo Sofa King

    Feb 14, 2010
    I have no idea man, I never played it. But if ghost children count then I guess we'd have to count the Cherubs from Doom 3.:shrug:
  6. Kilus

    Kilus Not Australian Orderite

    May 3, 2003
    Pillar of Eternity. Every The Sims game. Deus Ex. The Walking Dead. Bioshock.
  7. Wretched Flamingo

    Wretched Flamingo Sofa King

    Feb 14, 2010
    Ehh Sims...Kinda counts sorta...the kids usually died from neglect, not by putting a shotgun in their mouth and pulling the trigger. Bioshock I'm not sure about, you were removing the ADAM from them which caused them to die. But hey I'm no expert at killing children so everything's just an opinion. :P
  8. TransgenderVaultDeweller

    TransgenderVaultDeweller "Fallout 4 adds to the lore"

    Aug 14, 2015
    I really do think that publicly he will praise it. However, Nothing Bethesda has honestly shown makes me think from a story telling side, or someone who cares about an RPG, That this holds some kind of merit. This game honestly almost is a shooter. (Fallout 4) More than it is an RPG.
  9. Walpknut

    Walpknut This ghoul has seen it all

    Dec 30, 2010
    You can Kill Emily at the end of Dishonored.

    Edit: Sorry about the spoiler...
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  10. Wretched Flamingo

    Wretched Flamingo Sofa King

    Feb 14, 2010
    Goddamnit, now you're giving away spoilers!
  11. Generic Dude 2.0

    Generic Dude 2.0 First time out of the vault

    Apr 19, 2010
    Despite all the stupid shit we keep hearing about Fallout 4, I can't help but get excited about it. I certainly won't buy it at release (maybe in few years, when it's 20$ with all DLCs), but I know I will have my fun watching walkthroughs by people like Manyatruenerd and such. Hell, even Tim Cain himself is excited.

  12. Dr Fallout

    Dr Fallout Centurion

    Aug 17, 2015
    Dishonoured is actually a really good game, that knows what it wants and gets it really well. The story isn't anything to brag about but the gameplay mechanics are balanced and fun.
  13. Theinnerfish

    Theinnerfish Storytelling skeleton

    Jul 25, 2015
    To summarize:

    PC Gamer: "How much do you hate Fallout 3/4?"

    Brian Fargo: "Ermm.. i don't?"

    PC Gamer: "Brian Fargo, why u do dis?"

    Well Skyrim's budget was equal to what DAY-Z earned in years and Skyrim made 1.390.000.000$ and this doesn't include digital copies. Considering that game was at top 10 seller for years and still sells on Steam this number is much more higher(Skyrim may have sold more on PC than X-BOX for all we know [though not likely]).

    Fallout Shelter alone earned few millions and may even exceed all those Kickstarters in a year.

    These are just numbers so this doesn't prove they're better games or anything but fact is there is a big gap between AAA games and kickstarters.
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  14. Kilus

    Kilus Not Australian Orderite

    May 3, 2003
    The main way to kill kids in The Sims is with fire, you can also starve teens. Also it counts as child killing in Bioshock, if you remove something vital for life you are killing that thing.
  15. Wretched Flamingo

    Wretched Flamingo Sofa King

    Feb 14, 2010

    Kilus....are you secretly Josef Mengele?
  16. Buxbaum666

    Buxbaum666 Heterostructured Nanorod oTO Orderite

    Dec 5, 2003
    What do you mean, "secretly"?
  17. The_Proletarian

    The_Proletarian Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!
    Staff Member Admin

    Mar 15, 2012
    Another noteworthy quote from the article:

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  18. Mr Fish

    Mr Fish Slippy sloppy, The

    Sep 11, 2010
    Well the question there is then; If the original creator wants his/her series to evolve into a different direction because that's what they feel would be best for it; Is it bad for them to do it? I mean, the difference between this and Fallout would be that Fallout was altered by people who did not create it. Same could be said for Elder Scrolls really as from what I've heard most of the people behind it have left the company so while it may have originated from Bethesda the creator(s) behind it are no longer there.

    It also depends on what direction it is they want to take it into. See, if Fallout 3 was still real-time and first person but everything else was completely true to what a Fallout game ought to be then I wouldn't have had as many issues with it. But the reason why I loathe Bethesda's direction with Fallout is because it abandons everything that the original project strived for.

    It's too early for me to get all paranoid about it. I'm going to need to know more about what Fargo means before I can judge his take on it. But I do not think it will be equatable to Bethesda's take on Fallout.
  19. Crni Vuk

    Crni Vuk M4A3 Oldfag oTO Orderite

    Nov 25, 2008
    I would still not consider it a true Sequel though. That doesn't mean the game has to be bad. It's just not true to the spirit of the original game if it is to different. See Wasteland 1 and Wasteland 2.
  20. phipboy

    phipboy Newly elected overseer

    Oct 2, 2015
    He probably just means he wants to make it a BIT more accessible whilst not compromising the quality all too much or what made the originals great.