Censorship? There is no censorship!

That's a lolita character? she has huge knockers, I don't know what kind of 12 year old girls you know...


Is funny how the supposedly "progressive" Social Justice warriors have taken the torch from the fundamentalist Christians, throwing up overly moralistic stinks to ban things they don't even experience, making witch hunts on people with opinions they disagree with and in general demonizing anyone who is not with them and being extremely apologetic of things inside of their group that are at the very least questionable, and at worst just downright despicable. Like the say the more things change the more they stay the same.
 
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It just seems like a waste of a character slot. I won't rant and rave about it because I don't care that much. :shrug:


Edit: Also yes I knew some 12 year old girls with huge tits.
 
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I don't even play Tekken, but as far as "disturbing sexist characters" go, I have seen worse, hell there is an entire franchise about fighting girls in skin tight outfits that is still alive and well and nobody throws a fuzz over it....
 
Walpknut said:
Is funny how the supposedly "progressive" Social Justice warriors have taken the torch from the fundamentalist Christians, throwing up overly moralistic stinks to ban things they don't even experience, making witch hunts on people with opinions they disagree with and in general demonizing anyone who is not with them and being extremely apologetic of things inside of their group that are at the very least questionable, and at worst just downright despicable. Like the say the more things change the more they stay the same.
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I don't recall people campaigning for diversity firebombing development studios, harassing funerals of people opposed to them, or supporting legislation to kill people in breach of their values. But that just me.
 
I think the thing that sticks out is she looks almost just like another new character in DOA5. It's in the Neogaf thread. Pretty uninspired as I said before. Note that I don't think it's sexist or offensive, but I can see how it may be perceived that way. I just think it's stupid and the developers response was annoying.

I do think the whole Lolita thing is creepy though.
 
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It kind of feels superfluous. Don't know Tekken, don't much care about fighting games, but if the moveset is copied, it comes off as a cheap attempt to score points with basement dwellers.

Given that he claims it's East Asia/Europe exclusive... I fell kind of insulted. :P
 
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It kind of feels superfluous. Don't know Tekken, don't much care about fighting games, but if the moveset is copied, it comes off as a cheap attempt to score points with basement dwellers.

Given that he claims it's East Asia/Europe exclusive... I fell kind of insulted. :P
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Another Tekken dev on twitter came out and said Harada was joking about the region specific thing. Yeah, the moveset being copied is the kicker. They might as well have kept Christie which had the same move set and had a more reasonable character design..and she didn't look and sound like a teeny-bopper.
 
Looks like it will be a new button-masher's favourite, like some weird hybrid between T3 Eddie and T6 Lili. Do not want.
 
Tagaziel said:
I don't recall people campaigning for diversity firebombing development studios, harassing funerals of people opposed to them, or supporting legislation to kill people in breach of their values. But that just me.
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Just give it time. That is their end goal.
 
Hey now. Don't exaggerate. Social Justice or extreme Feminists don't resort to actual violence or physical attacks almost at all, and I don't see it happening any time soon. End goals I have seen being met even today are things like creating "safe spaces" which includes censorship on social media and advocating anti-cyberbullying laws. End goals that aren't yet or are partially met would be affirmative action and the "progressive stack".
 
Except they already have this mentality where people have to ask them for permission before doing anything, and they will themselves harass people online they deem undesirable. Just a slippery slope from there.
 
i thought this was an interesting read, and a prime example of female privilege in tech:
http://www.breitbart.com/Breitbart-London/2014/12/10/The-Madness-Of-Queen-Shanley

TLDR:
feminism in IT/Tech has become toxic

one of the links in that article was based off some weird words, so i looked at it. turns out its a story from a woman talking about how all these "special programs" trying to get women into STEM/Tech is doing it wrong, and rather than being a person issue, its now a "boob" issue as she puts it.
http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/girls-and-software

It used to be that I was comfortable standing side by side with men, and no one cared how I looked. Now I find myself having to waste time talking about my gender rather than my technology

With one exception, I've heard these lectures only from women, and women who can't code at that. Sometimes I want to shout "you're not a programmer, what are you doing here?!"
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one thing i really dont hear people talk about is aptitude. honestly if you have an interest in science/technology but no real aptitude, then just let it be a hobby. i have seen many people who can do IT work but have no aptitude for it. that is something people need to be more honest about.


back to a previous issue:

i notice nobody ever talked about the inherent problem in wage/pay gap studies without lots of controls to account for multitude of factors. such as that GS study and quite a few other studies that have been linked on this forum.

Me said:
Company A:
wants a system admin who works 70 hours a week, on call 24/7. full medical/dental, 2 weeks vacation every year, 1 week sick.
salaried at 80k first 2 years going to 95k after that.

Company B:
wants a system admin who works 9-4 M-F, no on-call. sponsors 75% of medical/dental, 3 weeks vacation and 1 week sick leave a year.
salaried at 60k first 2 years going to 65k after that.

show those 2 above positions equally qualified 100 men and 100 women and tell them they can only apply to one of those jobs. if women as a majority prefer B to A, and men prefer A to B, your stance is that because it was not evenly split, it is inherent societal/cultural sexism that men want A and women want B rather than vice versa.

now lets say that 100 men took A and 100 women took B, any wage/pay gap study for the first 2 years would find men were making 20k more than women, and after 2 years the men were making 30k more than the women.

my position is that there is no problem. the men made their choice, the women made their choice.
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here is where the dishonesty lies. when you look at it, you see the 20/30 k a year pay gap, but that is without actually looking at the numbers. and is a very common flaw that my mom was pointing out in the 3 items she looks at to determine how "honest" these studies are.

unless you actually break the numbers down, it would appear that the 100 women at job B are making significantly less than the 100 men at job A. once you break the numbers down, a completely different picture shows up where the women are making $35 an hour and the men are making $26 an hour. and that is without adjusting for vacation/leave.
 
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Except they already have this mentality where people have to ask them for permission before doing anything, and they will themselves harass people online they deem undesirable. Just a slippery slope from there.
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There is indeed a certain hostility. Completely neutral corrections are sometimes shouted down, purely because the person behind it is a man. The term "mansplaining" makes any claim by it's user to not be a man hating feminist worthless. It's a sad thing that feminism has been reduced to in the personal space. I see an ever increasing amount of opinions and memes on the internet complaining about feminist double-standards, false logic, victimization, with some even reducing the idea of the entire movement down to a ridiculing image of whining children etc. And these things get a large amount of upvotes on 9gag for instance, which, through it's international popularity is a decent view into mainstream views in my opinion. I guess this overall shift in the public image of feminism is what prompted Emma Watson to specifically adress criticism of feminism. It's disconcerting when, for example, this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XqHYzYn3WZw get big news coverage on the internet. I don't know exactly how much or how positive or negative the coverage was, but I only saw negative.

Anyway, this image being spread around is quite simply perfect:
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theWesDude;
Whaaa!???
How dare you point out the experiences of a wild unkulturny farm girl who was not poisoned by the "whatever is trending this week" culture be a reasonable data point. She even admits to being a tomboy by not wearing makeup! How dare she refuse to submit to the "conform to the masss" law of civilization.
What Next? You are going to start talking about how young males in western school systems (sans those mad Scandinavians) are being oppressed and poisoned to fail or how feminist attacks on familial structure are self destructive or something equally wild?
Shame on you.








/sarcasm off...
 
I am all for feminism, but this monstrosity born out of social media that wants to act like moral guardians is not feminism.
 
Yes, I find "Gender Activists" to be a more applicable term.

The thing I don't get is how people in this school of thought think fear mongering will get them anywhere. If anything they've scared more women away from certain fields by screaming about sexism, misogyny and harassment.
 
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theWesDude;
Whaaa!???
How dare you point out the experiences of a wild unkulturny farm girl who was not poisoned by the "whatever is trending this week" culture be a reasonable data point. She even admits to being a tomboy by not wearing makeup! How dare she refuse to submit to the "conform to the masss" law of civilization.
What Next? You are going to start talking about how young males in western school systems (sans those mad Scandinavians) are being oppressed and poisoned to fail or how feminist attacks on familial structure are self destructive or something equally wild?
Shame on you.

/sarcasm off...
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havent you been listening? one person's experience is irrelevant, anecdotal at best. no matter how long or how much experience they may have on the topic, if it goes against the findings of whatever study someone pulls out, then it is wrong.

you know, how like in the scenario i proposed of company A versus company B, you can find a "wage/pay gap" that will favor either men or women depending on how you look at it.

how dare you go against "Listen and Believe".

check yo privilege!
 
Remember when Jack THompson was ridiculed because he wanted to blame videogames as the primary source of violent tendencies? Now when they accuse videogames of being the source or the biggest offender of sexism and oppression those people are treated like heroes and devs that don't follow their little codes of conduct to be evil sexists. It's kind of funny.
 
Walpknut said:
Just give it time. That is their end goal.
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Not really, no.

Walpknut said:
Remember when Jack THompson was ridiculed because he wanted to blame videogames as the primary source of violent tendencies? Now when they accuse videogames of being the source or the biggest offender of sexism and oppression those people are treated like heroes and devs that don't follow their little codes of conduct to be evil sexists. It's kind of funny.
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Kind of shows you don't actually read what people have to say. Nobody is saying that video games are the cause of sexism and oppression, that's ridiculous. What is being said is that games can and often are sexist, which is a result of the generally sexist culture we live in. And people fairly criticize games for that, just how movies, books, music, and other works of culture are criticized.

Dealing with sexism and lack of representation in games is not the end solution of all sexism and oppression, but a step towards that goal.
 
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