Confederations Cup: USA 2 x 0 Spain, WTF?

TheWesDude said:
Elissar said:
wait, the US has a professional soccer team?

im pretty sure the US only has 1-3 soccer teams nation wide... if there is more than that, i would be shocked. shocked i tell you.

Urgh, ok...

1) This isn't about a professional soccer team, it's about the national soccer team, which is made up of professionals who do get compensated for their time, but it is not a "professional team" in the sport-team sense. Think the Dream Team, but with soccer.

2) Major League Soccer has 14 teams in the US (and one in Canada for some reason). Of those teams, only 3 are profitable (LA Galaxy, Toronto FC and FC Dallas), but the rest are getting there. It's a growing league. And expanding, amongst others the Seattle Sounders were recently refounded. Go Sounders go! Ugliest shirts ever!
 
lasix9 said:
Guess you get lucky sometimes. Still, if Spain is as bad as they say, I guess it wasn't a real huge victory.
Spain is theoretically a great team. They just didn't play that well.

And everybody is making like the USA national team is completely worthless. It isn't.
CimmerianNights said:
Not anymore. Wow, shut out by America. That's embarrassing. That's like us losing to Viet Nam in basketball.
Being shut out isn't exactly embarrassing in football, since there's so few goals scored usually.

Also, really, upset outcomes aren't that uncommon. Luck and form of the moment, as in any sport, still play a large role.
TheWesDude said:
im pretty sure the US only has 1-3 soccer teams nation wide... if there is more than that, i would be shocked. shocked i tell you.
Eh? There's only one national team, obviously, but there's an entire professional league with 15 teams (to be expanded to 18 next year, I think).
 
Cimmerian Nights said:
So do we actually play Brazil next?

I'm new at this, how do we trash talk them? :P

You don't. That would be like trash talking the US Marine Corps, the US Basket Dream Team or even Black Isle.

Never trash talk the best, it'useless :P
 
Cimmerian Nights said:
So do we actually play Brazil next?

I'm new at this, how do we trash talk them? :P
You call them fat.
Worked for Ronaldo at least.

Also, you play whoever wins today's match between Brazil and South Africa. There's always an off chance South Africa wins.
 
If the USA wins this and football catches on over there, I wonder how long it'll take for the general populace to understand the offside rule and all its weird little quirks.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JmC9JOcaofI[/youtube]
 
USA beating Spain got me surprised. USA has as much tradition in football as South Africa, Cameroon or Romenia. USA was usually the laughing stock of the football world. Seems they came with a vengeance this time.

Sigh, never let a European do a Brazilian job. Time to show how its done so USAmericans can gasp in wonder as we pwn them with our superior football.

That said, no one really cares about the Confederations Cup.

Actually, the Confederations Cup is pretty important as a way to gauge how your team is doing, how your team does against foreign teams and what needs to be corrected. Italy, for example, got pwned. They will review their games, find their mistakes, fix any errors, send away sucky players and close the chinks in the armor. Italy will return soon, more dangerous than ever. Same with Spain. If Brazil loses to South Africa or USA, you can bet your ass there will be some newspaper with "VERGONHA!" written in big, black letters with a photo of the game where we got pwned. Then Cafu will have to work on fixing our national team.
 
Slaughter Manslaught said:
USA beating Spain got me surprised. USA has as much tradition in football as South Africa, Cameroon or Romenia. USA was usually the laughing stock of the football world. Seems they came with a vengeance this time.

Sigh, never let a European do a Brazilian job. Time to show how its done so USAmericans can gasp in wonder as we pwn them with our superior football.
But you're all fat!
Incidentally, I never got what all the fuss about Ronaldo and Adriano being fat was about. Who cares as long as they play good.
They didn't play good, so berate them for that. All the bitching about them being fat was just annoying.

Also, Brazil hasn't been a good team since 2002. Your arrogance is misplaced.

Slaughter Manslaught said:
Actually, the Confederations Cup is pretty important as a way to gauge how your team is doing, how your team does against foreign teams and what needs to be corrected. Italy, for example, got pwned. They will review their games, find their mistakes, fix any errors, send away sucky players and close the chinks in the armor. Italy will return soon, more dangerous than ever. Same with Spain. If Brazil loses to South Africa or USA, you can bet your ass there will be some newspaper with "VERGONHA!" written in big, black letters with a photo of the game where we got pwned. Then Cafu will have to work on fixing our national team.
They're still a year away from the real tournament, and form now has near nothing to do with form in a year.

Also, you're describing exactly what friendly matches are for. And no one cares about friendlies. QED
 
Sander means no football fans care about the Confederations Cup. And by that he means European football fans. Because honestly: we don't. It's like the World Cup. The rest of the world cares about it, we consider it a backwater irrelevance.

And for Frith's sake, the US is the 14th-ranked team in the FIFA world rankings. This isn't Burkina Faso we're talking about.
 
South Africa is holding up nicely.

Incidentally, I can't understand why Gomes is only third keeper (well, I could say in January, but I can't understand it now, and certainly couldn't 2 years ago), and why Alex isn't even selected (seriously, wtf).

Also, it's always interesting to see that almost all Brazilians are individually very skilled and creative, but always play a positionally very static and standard 4-4-2.
Brother None said:
Sander means no football fans care about the Confederations Cup. And by that he means European football fans. Because honestly: we don't. It's like the World Cup. The rest of the world cares about it, we consider it a backwater irrelevance.
Wait, I care about the World Cup. I think most Europeans do.

Or do you mean the World Cup for Club teams? 'Cause yeah, no one cares about that.
 
Makenshi said:
Cimmerian Nights said:
So do we actually play Brazil next?

I'm new at this, how do we trash talk them? :P

You don't. That would be like trash talking the US Marine Corps, the US Basket Dream Team or even Black Isle.

Never trash talk the best, it'useless :P
But it must make you nervous, what with your team of fatass, overpaid, glory-hogs against the hungry, blue-collar, no-names (to us) of the US.

Brazil has everything to lose.
America is playing with house money.
Even when you win you lose becaue "ah whatever they only beat the US".

Honestly I can't even feign animosity towards Spain or Brazil, I have a somewhat pleasant vibe about them.
It's not like this is our college kids beating the Red Army team mid-Cold War in Olympic hockey.

And if I promise to watch this game, can one of you assure me I won't waste 3 hours watching a scoreless championship game get decided by some free kicks like the last game I ever watched (Italy vs. Brazil finals '94).
If your game is so fucking great why don'y you decide the winner by actually playing soccer?
Soccer had the American audience that year we hosted and the final was a fucking dud man. If you want to know why it doesn't catch on, that is prime example #1. 3 hour scoreless champioship decided in a kick-off. That's how the World Cup is decided? Let them play until somebody wins. Seriously, I haven't watched a soccer game in it's entireity since that game.
 
I can guarantee you won't be watching *3* hours of goalless football. At most you'll be watching (excluding breaks) 2 hours + ~10 minutes of added time, and then penalty kicks (not free kicks, by the way).

You can't just keep playing until someone scores. They used to do that, like 40 years ago or so. Then they got one match that lasted something like 4 hours, and then another replay a couple of days later. That's hell, no fun to watch, and players get tired (football is a very tiring game). Also, using unscheduled replays is an even less satisfactory conclusion to a tournament.
At one point they drew lots to see who would advance. Yeah, that's not very good either.

The advantage of penalty shootouts is that there is a fixed ending to the game, and in fact penalty shootouts are very suspenseful. No, they don't really test skill, but arguably skill has already been tested in the preceding minutes and is hence very close. The idea that it is 'pure luck' is both untrue, and nonsensical as there is always a significant amount of luck involved in any sports game.

I like the American initiative similar to penalty shootouts, that instead give the player the ball 35 yards from goal and 5 seconds to shoot on goal in whatever way he pleases, and with as many moves as he wants, though.

The idea that for a game to be good there have to be goals is, by the way, a typically American outlook that isn't shared by many people who regularly watch football. While lots of goals is fun to watch, a close match can be very exciting and filled with action (of course, this isn't always the case). No, not every game is going to be exciting. But come on, that's true for any sport. What the fuck is up with baseball, for instance. ;)

Also, deserved win for Brazil, but South Africa put up a good fight.
 
The idea that for a game to be good there have to be goals is, by the way, a typically American outlook that isn't shared by many people who regularly watch football. While lots of goals is fun to watch, a close match can be very exciting and filled with action (of course, this isn't always the case).
You're right, myself I grew up watching a lot of ice hockey, so I don't mind low scoring games, seeing hockey live, even the near misses are like a mass orgasm to the audience. But they have regular line changes, smaller surface, so it's a way faster game with many more shots on goal. And there's the fights :ugly:

I'm sure my Canadian brothers to the north can back me up with specifics, but they've had some epic NHL OT (is 6 the most?) games that last into the wee hours of the morning, only to play the next game in part of a 7 game series the next night. I don't mind "shoot offs" to decide regular season games, but playoff games are different.

Another American thing is the abhorance of ambiguity - the need to have a clear cut winner and loser - regardless of how high or low the score is. That '94 cup was so anticlimactic for myself in that regard.

What the fuck is up with baseball, for instance. ;)
Baseball is proof that men will subject themselves to anything in an attempt to get away from their significant other.
I'll take Soccer over baseball anyday.
 
Slaughter Manslaught said:
Sigh, never let a European do a Brazilian job. Time to show how its done so USAmericans can gasp in wonder as we pwn them with our superior football.

Well for that to happen you'd have to get us to watch first!

BWAHAHAHA! pwn'd.
 
First they qualify for world cup instead of ITALY, and now they beat Spain.... 2-0 no less. What in the world is going on?
 
lol, most of my Chinese friends talks about foot ball/soccer, and when I ask about NFL/CFL, they get really confused. Then again, I don't really watch it.

It's kinda funny how popular this is in China, but China has never won a world cup or even placed anywhere in the finals.
 
Cimmerian Nights said:
Soccer had the American audience that year we hosted and the final was a fucking dud man. If you want to know why it doesn't catch on, that is prime example #1. 3 hour scoreless champioship decided in a kick-off. That's how the World Cup is decided? Let them play until somebody wins. Seriously, I haven't watched a soccer game in it's entireity since that game.

Ofcourse it was a dud and ofcourse it went to penalty shootout, ffs it was Italy in the final. Their approach was always defensive. They finally suck, so we should have a nice world cup next summer.

And if anybody think USA beating spain is a shocker, well just remember, five years ago, Greece won the european championship. Now that's a SHOCK.
 
That was a fun game to watch but we mainly won because of Howard's goalkeeping and the Spanish being ridiculously overconfident. Torres and Villa were screwing around teeing up every shot and then there was Ramos' gaffe.

On the whole though I'm tired of our national soccer team being maligned. We're not consistently great but we've got a lot of potential and talent. Bradley seems to have some clue on how to use it so I think we can make a respectable showing in 2010.

I'd make the obligatory complaint about the officials, except the bullshit redcard for Michael Bradley was kinda balanced out by rewarding the obviously fake Landon Donovan dive.
 
Brother None said:
What people tend to miss is that soccer is already pretty big in the US. It's just relatively small, but the attendance rate at MLS matches is roughly equal to that of a 2nd-tier football country in Europe (like the Netherlands, or France even). It has grown and is growing, and the more Mexicans you let in the more it'll grow.
Oh yeah, there's no question it has gotten bigger here over the past twenty years or so. My old high school didn't have a soccer team when I went there, but now it does. Like you say, the growth is fueled by immigrants. It's not just the Mexicans though. In my area there are a huge number of Hmong and other southeast asians, and they all play soccer.

Relative is the key word though. It's relatively insignificant, and I can't envision how it would ever dig its way out of that hole. Where I live there's a new American football league for guys 30 and older who just want to keep playing, and that gets more coverage than soccer. Also soccer is more respected as a womens game here. Like Cimmerian was saying, the most famous players are probably Mia Hamm and Brandy Chastain from the Olympic gold medal team.

Cimmerian Nights said:
Soccer will never catch on in the States until they stop with the rampant diving. It's fucking disgraceful. Jackie Chan don't take pratfalls like some of these dudes.
That's the number one reason it'll never get big here. Taking a pratfall is an admission that you're a whiny little sissy, which is why the only athletes allowed to do it without shame are NFL punters.
 
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