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You are skipping the ENTIRETY of economic migrants. Not everyone is a refugee.

But you know what, I will humor you.

Goods are plentiful and cheap, medical services are expensive sure but insurance covers that.

If you live in a city and can get a job sure then ya insurance isn't a issue but if you're like the majority of americans live in a place where there are no jobs and especially if you're part of the newer generations which are having a hard time getting a job due to lack of experience of careers than good luck with it lmfao actually.
 
There is ACHCCCS in AZ but there are a myriad of government funded insurance programs in other states. You just have to apply.

In regards to jobs, what we really need to do is abolish degree requirements, especially for jobs that are mostly on the job training.

TBH, my post was directed to someone else anyways. The U.S. isn't perfect but we are light years ahead of some other countries.
 
Gonzo

Hey I am not saying we haven't fucked up. All the shit in S. America, ME, etc. Keep in mind however it was a necessary evil as we had to keep up with the Soviets. The Soviets were getting big so we had to get big as well. The Soviets started installing communist allies and we installed freedum allies.

Over all though, thanks to having the U.S. and the SU, we haven't had a World War since. Having two big hegemons helps a lot as look what happened when the Roman Empire fell. All of a sudden you had all these countries who got free and started mass murdering eachother for the next 600 years or so. Sorry Euros, you folks really fucked up world peace on that one.

I have been agreeing with this, the US is the only stabilizing force left from the 1900's in the world. Russia is nothing but a poor country and an excuse to attack Trump, but on a global scale the only impact they can have now is using there nukes. China is moving up into the role Russia had along side the US and yes that begin dragging each other into conflicts, but these are small conflicts that in reality are not worth much compared to how Europeans screwed everything up leaving the 1800's and heading into the 1900's. The middle east would probably be a lot more stable place if the Europeans had not screwed up so bad with it before WW2. Vietnam was a left over European fuck-up that both the US, China, and the USSR decided to keep going. Hell the US is mostly just trying to go around fixing all the things the high and might Europeans screwed up and left for the new powers emerging to try and fix.

So as far as I am concerned the Europeans have screwed this world up really bad, this led to two world wars and pretty much every conflict happening nowadays, and now they have convinced everyone to blame the US. I know the US has caused some relatively small fuck ups, but for the most part Europe screwed everyone and continues to try to.
 
Gonzo

The ME was fucked up way before we got there. The issue with the ME is mostly tribalism and sectarianism, kind of like Africa. People are so fucking petty about which tribe they came from and kept squabbling over stupid shit. Is it really that much of a surprise that Europeans decided to take advantage with divide and conquer? Then came the Soviets and then us.

Vietnam was a French issue as the French were our allies. As our allies, we had to help them out when they request it, and so we got involved. They got beat at Dien Bien Phu and came crying to us.

Same with GB and Iran. GB needed Americas help when Mossadegh started nationalizing the oil companies. So we stepped in and installed the Shah.

The place we truly fucked up was South America but as I said, we had to make sure we kept up with the Soviets. It is like a game of Command and Conquer or Starcraft. If the enemy is spreading out and building more bases, you have to as well. They take more resources, you take more resources.
 
In regards to jobs, what we really need to do is abolish degree requirements, especially for jobs that are mostly on the job training.

A lot of the jobs that require college are important and are the kind of thing you don't want your average fry cook to get into because of actually how important they are or something.

I think the issue is that life is so non linear once you get out of school that it's easy to let it pass you by and achieve nothing of it.
 
Hence I said on the job training. Stuff like STEM, the law, medical, of course I get it, education is a must.

It is middle management jobs that require less about what you know than WHO you know. I mean, if my job is to manage shit with a computer program, just teach me or test my natural ability, no degree needed. I don't need algebra to know how to climb a fucking cell phone tower.

As I said, even something as basic as clerical and they want you to be saddled with 60k debt in order to be hired, that is just stupid.
 
I never said the U.S. is beneficial to EVERYONE. Walp is asking how it is benefiting ME.

Second, if it wasn't the U.S. doing it, someone else would. We have had god knows how many discussions where I have pointed it out.

The PRC wants to turn Taiwan into an explosion fest if we weren't around to stop them. The Kims would LOVE, to forcefully unite both the Koreas, much like the original Kim did when he invaded S. Korea. Putin HIMSELF,in a speech, lamented the fall of the SU and wished things were status quo/aka all those free countries back under SU control. The U.S. isn't all bad.

Also it is called competition. If the U.S weren't doing it, someone else would.

NATO essentially frees up tons of money for countries to spend on their social program. Do I see Euroforce showing up anytime soon? Highly doubtful. If Europe wanted Euroforce, they would have done it by now.

Walp

A warzone isn't exactly beneficial for multi-national businesses and defense contractors are not the only people who want to do business. I am sure Coke, Nike, McDonalds, would love to open businesses in a non, war torn country. I never could stomach that infinite war conspiracy theory. If anything, we are fighting because Russia and China just won't play second fiddle to us and have to compete.

https://www.politico.eu/article/emmanuel-macron-angela-merkel-endorses-eu-military-plan/

Also, the Nordic countries and Finland especially have since day one had the ability to defend themselves. Norway is in NATO but Finland and Sweden will probably never join. Finland has it's own military, been there, done that, got the t-shirt & the scars. No need to join NATO.

I think it's about time that the rest of Europe focused on the defence of Europe. If UK wants to leave EU, let them. We'll do it without them, and without NATO if needs be. NATO doesn't make Finland any wealthier than it is. You know what does though? Intelligent foreign politics which includes not bombing brown babies living in clay huts.
 
Mutant

Sure, I am all for Euro force but again guess what, Europe doesn't want it. It would be too expensive. You might be from a small country so your costs are low but for the bigger countries with more skin in the game than 'neutrality', it is a lot more money.

You know the Soviets killed babies right? And you know the Sunni Shia conflict killed babies as well. Also, tribalism kills babies as well. But go ahead and keep going with your fuck America show.
 
Vietnam was a French issue as the French were our allies. As our allies, we had to help them out when they request it, and so we got involved. They got beat at Dien Bien Phu and came crying to us.
So France comes out of WW2 humiliated and they get a bee in their bonnet on how they will NOT lose Indo-China. it is a red line for them that they will not Cross. The US backing decolonization for their on pragmatic reasons tries to sit this one out. Well it is not going so well for the French and they begin to play politics. So France tells the Eisenhower Administration that if they won't back up France, France will seek help someplace else, that someplace else being the Soviet Union.
You know what does though? Intelligent foreign politics which includes not bombing brown babies living in clay huts.
The Bomb should have a noted attached to it that reads
Sorry Kiddo but your dad and his buddies decided to hack up a bunch of tourists with machetes and pick a fight with the one fucking guy you don't pick fights with, and for that you are going to get crushed by a slab of concrete. - Uncle Sam
 
Mutant

Sure, I am all for Euro force but again guess what, Europe doesn't want it. It would be too expensive. You might be from a small country so your costs are low but for the bigger countries with more skin in the game than 'neutrality', it is a lot more money.

You know the Soviets killed babies right? And you know the Sunni Shia conflict killed babies as well. Also, tribalism kills babies as well. But go ahead and keep going with your fuck America show.

The Europe that I actually live in already has it. I'm part of it, well, reserves anyway. What they are talking about is unifying the reserves. So no, you're wrong.

The Bomb should have a noted attached to it that reads
Sorry Kiddo but your dad and his buddies decided to hack up a bunch of tourists with machetes and pick a fight with the one fucking guy you don't pick fights with, and for that you are going to get crushed by a slab of concrete. - Uncle Sam

USA has a long history of lying about and covering up massacres it has committed in it's wars. And then acquitting the culprits of said massacres. So yea, putting pamphlets full of lies on massacred bodies wouldn't be anything new for USA.
 
Mutant

I am talking about a integrated military force for the EU. Right now it is NATO, unless France, Germany, Great Britain and the other European nations have something else I do not know about.

Also, is your military able to fend off Russia, all by its lonesome?
 
The Europe that I actually live in already has it. I'm part of it, well, reserves anyway. What they are talking about is unifying the reserves. So no, you're wrong.



USA has a long history of lying about and covering up massacres it has committed in it's wars. And then acquitting the culprits of said massacres. So yea, putting pamphlets full of lies on massacred bodies wouldn't be anything new for USA.

Are you not from a Nazi country???? From my understanding the Fins allied with the Nazi's to fight off Russia. Let he who is without sin throw the first stone..... hahaha. Yes pick on the US for its relatively minor massacres, when your own country was in bed with a man who murdered millions, your on a continent that over the last 100 years has been responsible for more death then the US could ever account for world wide. Where would you be without those US bombs???? Probably either marching around in your jackboots, dead for having "something" wrong with you or drinking your Russian vodka.

@DarkCorp
Yes European countries do have there own military and NATO is not a US organization (I know shocking). Yes they are not spending the 2% GDP they agreed to by NATO but they have there own military's and NATO is only an alliance saying that if one NATO member is attacked all members will respond.
 
USA has a long history of lying about and covering up massacres it has committed in it's wars. And then acquitting the culprits of said massacres. So yea, putting pamphlets full of lies on massacred bodies wouldn't be anything new for USA.
Yeah the US just drops bombs because. Dammit Johnson these bombs are almost expired! Quick find a small Muslim Village to Bomb right NAO!

Are you not from a Nazi country???? From my understanding the Fins allied with the Nazi's
Holy shit! rekt.
 
GonZO

So there ya go. NATO is technically Euroforce and yet they can't even spend the money on it like they promised.

So I guess my question would be, how effective would NATO be without U.S. support?
 
GonZO

So there ya go. NATO is technically Euroforce and yet they can't even spend the money on it like they promised.

So I guess my question would be, how effective would NATO be without U.S. support?

No Nato is not Euroforce, if Russia or China ever decide to cross the pacific and attack the US (I know this is a laughable idea but just hear me out) and the US mainland was under attack which allies are going to help you? Canada and Mexico would be the only countries with there skin on the line besides you, Mexico has a habit of fighting against the US or just trying to not take part at all, and low and behold us Canucks are Nato members as well, we may decide (stupidly) that we would not help a non-NATO member as there is no treaty obliging us too. Nato is an agreement between many countries to help if needed, and it does not just matter to Europe as its any country that is a NATO member including Canada, and the US. The US being the big dog in the party just means if you leave there is a new big dog, and I really don't want that to be Germany...…...
 
Mutant

I am talking about a integrated military force for the EU. Right now it is NATO, unless France, Germany, Great Britain and the other European nations have something else I do not know about.

Also, is your military able to fend off Russia, all by its lonesome?

Probably not, but we don't want 'help' with strings attached. Least of all from USA. We did fend off Soviet Union once (check map below).

Are you not from a Nazi country???? From my understanding the Fins allied with the Nazi's to fight off Russia. Let he who is without sin throw the first stone..... hahaha. Yes pick on the US for its relatively minor massacres, when your own country was in bed with a man who murdered millions, your on a continent that over the last 100 years has been responsible for more death then the US could ever account for world wide. Where would you be without those US bombs???? Probably either marching around in your jackboots, dead for having "something" wrong with you or drinking your Russian vodka.

Finland was a co-belligerent with Nazi-Germany. Our first beef was with Soviet Union who attacked us in the Winter War because of the Molotov-Ribbentrop agreement. Learn history dummy.
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I dont take sides but the test I did online classifiied me as extremist right winger which I think is too far lol
 
Probably not, but we don't want 'help' with strings attached. Least of all from USA. We did fend off Soviet Union once (check map below).



Finland was a co-belligerent with Nazi-Germany. Our first beef was with Soviet Union who attacked us in the Winter War because of the Molotov-Ribbentrop agreement. Learn history dummy.
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Oh I am well aware, a friend of mine married a Finnish girl. Still allied with Nazi's. Pretty cool how you guys wiped out a Russian army with a frozen lake, but still allied (and effectively enabled) with a group of people who murdered millions. Maybe just maybe you should have found some better allies instead of mass murderers. Learn some history dummy! And who came in to save all of Europe's collective asses from your bad decision making
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Oh I am well aware, a friend of mine married a Finnish girl. Still allied with Nazi's. Pretty cool how you guys wiped out a Russian army with a frozen lake, but still allied (and effectively enabled) with a group of people who murdered millions. Maybe just maybe you should have found some better allies instead of mass murderers. Learn some history dummy! And who came in to save all of Europe's collective asses from your bad decision making
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Lapland war. Did your friend's wife tell about that?

My country hasn't been in a constant state of war thoughout it's existence. My country doesn't use torture. My country has a very different approach to warfare that doesn't involve bombing brown babies in clay huts.

So you're from Canada, eh? I remember that one ship that was full of Jewish folks escaping from Nazis. They tried to get into Canada but were denied entry. I guess you guys had a problem with Jews. Meanwhile Jews were fighting in Finland's military against Soviet Union and later against Nazis.
 
Mutant

If I remember correctly, the SU eventually beat you though once they threw everything they had at ya.

Anyways an, I am sure you have heard the saying.

'Everyone bends the knee'. Not meant to be a literal translation this day and age but you know, there has always been a hierarchy in geopolitics.

Sure we haven't been the best but would you really prefer Russia or China?
 
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