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MutantScalper said:
Depending how you define the borders of Europe, the population of Europe is around 500 million. All have UHC. If you go by widest definition and include part of Russia it's 741 million.

Canada has UHC. I think even Mexico has a form of UHC although as a poorer nation they might have lower lever of overall care. Even China has it. What the fug is USA's major malfunction since they can't get UHC?!
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Nice cop out, let me explain.

First, you have to treat every country individually, because every country themselves has different finances duh. I also brought up that most Euro countries, BY THEMSELVES, have a quarter or less of our population. The only way for any possible comparison would be dodgy attempts at lumping it all together.

Second, most of these Euro countries, do not have to maintain a significant defense budget. Why? Because the U.S. pays for most of it through NATO. Good luck with all that free shit if Trump follows through with shitting on NATO. Look at what happened in Greece and Spain, Austerity up the ass because you had a people addicted to free shit while constantly trying to ditch on paying taxes. France had to kick up the workweek just to make shit better.

Third, China. I love this one as I am ethnically Chinese even though culturally U.S. See, there is this stupid little thing called a Hukao, or housing registration system. Those with a urban Hukao, have access to basic services like UHC. However, that same healthcare is shoddy and overburdened, like every other UHC system. I have family back there waiting god knows how long for inadequate healthcare. Thankfully, China has been slowly transitioning to more of a free market situation and more and more Chinese are wealthy enough to go to medical professionals of their choice. But wait, we haven't brought up rural Hukao holders. Oh yeah those folks, they fucked. The Hukao system was a holdover from Maos China to effectively punish those the government deemed politically unreliable. After the cultural revolution, all those red guard idiots that Mao riled up to get himself power, were no longer useful. So he kicked most of them along with the undesirables, into the rural areas to be farmers. Oh PS, even though recently they have begun phasing it out, the Logao, prison labor system provided the government a ton of money with what is effectively slave labor. And before you try to pull some, 'U.S. does it too', it would be beyond asinine to compare our prison services with something like the Chinese system.

So first, the population situation, explained. Too many mouths to feed.

Second, again, no cheating. Nordic countries, specifically the one BERNIE SANDERS tries to use as an example. Their population per country is around 5 millions. That is a joke comparison, seriously. Most of the other countries you mentioned have no where close to our population.

Third. China has slowly been transitioning to a free market system for some time since Maos' death. The free shit system has been significantly rolled back. No more 'iron rice bowl', the free medical care system is inadequate and taxed, while a large amount of the population is effectively locked out.
 
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Walp...Rise...


We do not mind paying taxes for a system that would WORK. The taxes required for a medical system that would work in this country would be extremely expensive. Again, free healthcare by Cali alone requires the entirety of the states annual budget, Education, City Services, etc.

Again, POPULATION makes a HYUGE difference. Seriously, it isn't rocket science. Every country that has half decent UHC, have either half or a quarter of our population. And every time I see people trying to dodge that extremely important fact when they run their mouths about free shit.
 
Walp....

Come on man, we have had this discussion before.

Raining bombs is a VAST oversimplification.

Why is the U.S. the strongest country in the world? Why is our currency the WORLDS primary reserve currency? Why do we get perks that a lot of other countries doon't get?

It is because we are the number one. How do we stay number one you might ask?

Well, it is called paying for it, in the form of NATO. Europe is more than happy to give us global decision making in return for NATO funding. I mean, why pay for your own defense when one can outsource? Especially for the small price of being global policeman, which Europe doesn't want anyways.

We also stay on top by making sure other chuckleheads like Russia and China don't get too big for their britches. You see it already, Russia fought tooth and nail for their holdings in Ukraine and Syria. China just recently setup a base in Africa. I mean again, it isn't rocket science. It costs money. We have a 20 year gain on stealth technology over the Russians and Chinese, our closest competitors. China has no combat experience, we do. How do you get combat experience, by involving yourself in WARS.

We provide security to our allies in the form of having bases. So for example, if someone attacks Japan, there is a good chance they will hit one of our bases there, which will draw the U.S., into war.

Seriously, so many hippies in here.
 
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Yet, you don't get perks most developed countries get like universal healthare and education. I nean your healthcare system is even worse than Colombia's, and Colombia's Healthcare system sucks dick.

Also, the US funds a lot of wars so they aren't keeping the peace for shit, and their continuous meddling in the affairs of other countries they seek to exploit has only created more war and conflict.

What Perks do you get exactly?
 
Yes Walp, life in the U.S. is just soooooo shitty.

That is why most of the world STILL tries to get in here illegally and most folks dream of coming here, or at the very least, to the west. Hell, folks KILL themselves to get here.

Come on man, I am going to pull a Crni here and ask if you are being obtuse on purpose? Are you seriously comparing our way and standard of living to places like Colombia???

What perks do we get?

Generally a great standard of living. Feeling safe knowing nobody can fuck with us. It is obvious shit in the Ukraine, Syria and Iraq, would never happen here. We ARE the empire.

Now if we were to go all kumbayah and shit, see how fast our competitors will swoop in and take their righteous vengeance and fuck us up.
 
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Are you avoiding answering on porpouse?

Mexicans and Nicaraguans flee into your country because of the Cartels and the civil war (that last one is US made btw), so no clue how that even has anything to do with it.

Just tell me, what perks do you get exactly that other coubtries don't, anseering "Freedumz" is not an answer tho.
I mean, don't you guys have the highest number of mass shooting in a developed country? You got 911 and the pundits are always making up new massacres commited by islamic terrorists, there are places in the US without potable water. That shit I expect in my third world turf of land, but the "#1 country"? Seems kinda ridiculous.
 
Walpknut said:
Are you avoiding answering on porpouse?

Mexicans and Nicaraguans flee into your country because of the Cartels and the civil war (that last one is US made btw), so no clue how that even has anything to do with it.

Just tell me, what perks do you get exactly that other coubtries don't, anseering "Freedumz" is not an answer tho.
I mean, don't you guys have the highest number of mass shooting in a developed country? You got 911 and the pundits are always making up new massacres commited by islamic terrorists, there are places in the US without potable water. That shit I expect in my third world turf of land, but the "#1 country"? Seems kinda ridiculous.
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Not to answer your thing that the US is war mongers (even though we live in the most peaceful time in our world and US power has ensured a global success for every allied country and provided a safety net for global trade...…..) the average total tax rate (the amount you pat total include sales taxes/property taxes/income taxes) of the US is around 30-35%. Canada was brought up and we have a healthcare system that lacks well below the US in wait times and availability and per individual costs exceed $12000 per person (of course its free universal healthcare I mean its just tax money....) we have a total tax rate around 55% of our income. Many EU countries even dwarf Canada with a +60% tax rate, maybe most Americans who have jobs do not want to see there total tax rate increase from 35%-55%, I mean if you brought up UHC to me and told me 20% of my taxes (far more then goes to blow up brown people as you put it walp) I would not want it either.

Universal health care is only free if you do not pay taxes and in the end it usually costs you a lot more then paying for health insurance yourself. What you cant afford it? How is that my fucking problem! Fuck universal health care and I would love to see it abolished in Canada as I am tired of paying for the healthcare of bums and delinquents who don't or refuse to work for a living.
 
DarkCorp said:
Nice cop out, let me explain.

First, you have to treat every country individually, because every country themselves has different finances duh. I also brought up that most Euro countries, BY THEMSELVES, have a quarter or less of our population. The only way for any possible comparison would be dodgy attempts at lumping it all together.

Second, most of these Euro countries, do not have to maintain a significant defense budget. Why? Because the U.S. pays for most of it through NATO. Good luck with all that free shit if Trump follows through with shitting on NATO. Look at what happened in Greece and Spain, Austerity up the ass because you had a people addicted to free shit while constantly trying to ditch on paying taxes. France had to kick up the workweek just to make shit better.

Third, China. I love this one as I am ethnically Chinese even though culturally U.S. See, there is this stupid little thing called a Hukao, or housing registration system. Those with a urban Hukao, have access to basic services like UHC. However, that same healthcare is shoddy and overburdened, like every other UHC system. I have family back there waiting god knows how long for inadequate healthcare. Thankfully, China has been slowly transitioning to more of a free market situation and more and more Chinese are wealthy enough to go to medical professionals of their choice. But wait, we haven't brought up rural Hukao holders. Oh yeah those folks, they fucked. The Hukao system was a holdover from Maos China to effectively punish those the government deemed politically unreliable. After the cultural revolution, all those red guard idiots that Mao riled up to get himself power, were no longer useful. So he kicked most of them along with the undesirables, into the rural areas to be farmers. Oh PS, even though recently they have begun phasing it out, the Logao, prison labor system provided the government a ton of money with what is effectively slave labor. And before you try to pull some, 'U.S. does it too', it would be beyond asinine to compare our prison services with something like the Chinese system.

So first, the population situation, explained. Too many mouths to feed.

Second, again, no cheating. Nordic countries, specifically the one BERNIE SANDERS tries to use as an example. Their population per country is around 5 millions. That is a joke comparison, seriously. Most of the other countries you mentioned have no where close to our population.

Third. China has slowly been transitioning to a free market system for some time since Maos' death. The free shit system has been significantly rolled back. No more 'iron rice bowl', the free medical care system is inadequate and taxed, while a large amount of the population is effectively locked out.
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Well my country Finland isn't in NATO, we view NATO as a way for USA to force member nations to buy products from US military corporations like Raytheon etc. USA twisted the hand of UK and pretty much forced to build two big aircraft carriers and UK has to buy the aircraft for them from the US, F-35's. And then use them to fight USA's wars for USA. How lovely and peaceful.

You make it sound like USA is some kind of beneficial entity as it forces it's rule upon the rest of the planet while destroying whole cultures, bombing innocents and wiping out the nature.
 
See, the US keeps the wars they cause under control for their profit, that's peace. Obviously.
 
You are skipping the ENTIRETY of economic migrants. Not everyone is a refugee.

But you know what, I will humor you.

The perks are living in a country that I know will never get fucked with. I live in a country with a very high standard of living that directly correlates to my standard of living. Goods are plentiful and cheap, medical services are expensive sure but insurance covers that. We have rule of law. Our corruption is nowhere near the levels that we see in other dangerous countries. This correlates to my physical safety.
 
I never said the U.S. is beneficial to EVERYONE. Walp is asking how it is benefiting ME.

Second, if it wasn't the U.S. doing it, someone else would. We have had god knows how many discussions where I have pointed it out.

The PRC wants to turn Taiwan into an explosion fest if we weren't around to stop them. The Kims would LOVE, to forcefully unite both the Koreas, much like the original Kim did when he invaded S. Korea. Putin HIMSELF,in a speech, lamented the fall of the SU and wished things were status quo/aka all those free countries back under SU control. The U.S. isn't all bad.

Also it is called competition. If the U.S weren't doing it, someone else would.

NATO essentially frees up tons of money for countries to spend on their social program. Do I see Euroforce showing up anytime soon? Highly doubtful. If Europe wanted Euroforce, they would have done it by now.

Walp

A warzone isn't exactly beneficial for multi-national businesses and defense contractors are not the only people who want to do business. I am sure Coke, Nike, McDonalds, would love to open businesses in a non, war torn country. I never could stomach that infinite war conspiracy theory. If anything, we are fighting because Russia and China just won't play second fiddle to us and have to compete.
 
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MutantScalper said:
USA twisted the hand of UK and pretty much forced to build two big aircraft carriers and UK has to buy the aircraft for them from the US, F-35's
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they already paid for the planes, silly. they helped fund the project. Canada on the other hand helped fund the project, then Trudeau pulled out and said he didn't want the planes....The Manufactures kept the money though.
 
Walpknut said:
See, the US keeps the wars they cause under control for their profit, that's peace. Obviously.
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Here let me fix that for you:

See, the US keeps WORLD PEACE as it allows the whole world to prosper. Obviously.

TheGM said:
they already paid for the planes, silly. they helped fund the project. Canada on the other hand helped fund the project, then Trudeau pulled out and said he didn't want the planes....The Manufactures kept the money though.
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Don't forget that as members of NATO there is also a certain amount of standardization between the members armed forces to allow them to resupply each other, things like magazines STANAG 5.56, or you know similar targeting and communication systems between planes......​
 
Gonzo

Peace is just fine and dandy until other world powers decide to reach into our pies. People constantly forget other countries have aspirations as well.

Iran has always wanted to be a regional power, this hasn't changed when it was under the Shah and it sill hasn't changed under the Khomeinis.

China and Russia, mentioned already. N. Korea, yup.

India fucked Pakistan over by establishing Bangladesh.

This shit happens everywhere. Now China has been investing heavily into Africa and already there are mentions of the Chinese Debt Trap in Africa.
 
Walp

Yea we have shootings but its not all that bad considering FORTY PERCENT of our population is armed. I mean it is a price you pay for having guns. BTW having guns doesn't change the fac that ECONOMIC MIGRANTS still want to come to the U.S. in record numbers.

OMG, ONE bad place has bad water and now the whole U.S. is such a shitty place to live. Can you get more dramatic and wrong Walp?
 
Walpknut said:

I guess Whitewashing is a national tradition.​
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I don't know I am not American and have stated so many times, I just don't look at them with the bias others do and am thankful for the peace they have brought upon the world for the most part. I left that American hating when I left my 20's and grew up.

Even at there worst they are better then most.
 
Gonzo

Hey I am not saying we haven't fucked up. All the shit in S. America, ME, etc. Keep in mind however it was a necessary evil as we had to keep up with the Soviets. The Soviets were getting big so we had to get big as well. The Soviets started installing communist allies and we installed freedum allies.

Over all though, thanks to having the U.S. and the SU, we haven't had a World War since. Having two big hegemons helps a lot as look what happened when the Roman Empire fell. All of a sudden you had all these countries who got free and started mass murdering eachother for the next 600 years or so. Sorry Euros, you folks really fucked up world peace on that one.
 
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