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BLAME CANADA!

[font size=1" color="#FF0000]LAST EDITED ON Nov-14-00 AT 05:51PM (GMT)[p]Yea i tought about it too!

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Blame Canada!
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"I`m Ugly and I AM CANADIAN!"
 
RE: Damnit.

>Well it isn't without reason. As the most highly advanced and
>prosperous nation in history, controlling nearly a fourth of
>the world's GDP, with the most advanced military on Earth (yes,
>I will concede that the Swiss army is the best trained), I
>would say the ego is justified, maybe not needed, but justified.

Can you define "highly advanced" ? Apart from the internet industry, I can't think of anything the US does that is more advanced than another country in the world.
And the only reason the US is ahead of the rest of the world in terms of the military, is because they are mad enough to spend $ 1000 billion + (correct me if I'm wrong) on it. I agree that a large country needs a large army, but the US army is disproportionally large. The way I see it, the US is the only one picking fights so far away from the borders in the world.

>Except for the purchase of Alaska, the United States has stayed
>practically the same size since it formed.

?? I thought that the US territory was only the eastcoast of North Amerika when the US was founded.

>Rome fell to internal strife because it was a primitive
>Republic that often fell to Caesars.

What are you talking about ? I wasn't even born then. And I don't have a split personality. :-)

"Don't worry men, they can't hit us here"
 
RE: Damnit.

>Can you define "highly advanced" ?
>Apart from the internet industry,
>I can't think of anything
>the US does that is
>more advanced than another country
>in the world.

Biomedical, communications, computer chip technology (although a large bulk is in Asia), pharmacudicals, biogenetics, space exploration, navy power, business infrastructure, and of course military technology.

>And the only reason the US
>is ahead of the rest
>of the world in terms
>of the military, is because
>they are mad enough to
>spend $ 1000 billion +
>(correct me if I'm wrong)
>on it. I agree that
>a large country needs a
>large army, but the US
>army is disproportionally large. The
>way I see it, the
>US is the only one
>picking fights so far away
>from the borders in the
>world.

We spend about $250 billion per year on the military. Western European nations spend on average $30 billion per year. You do have to account on the fact that Western Europe usually acts as a unified body when it comes to military action, so you can really think of them as one military nation, which evens out in the Western Europe vs. USA military expenditures.

I would also not agree that the United States army is exceptionally large. For a nation that pretty much does all the work when it comes to NATO operations (yeah, European nations provide the security troops, but not a whole lot else), and is pretty much the policing force of the United Nations, you'd expect a large army.

Also our army is not exactly that large when compared to other nations. Take France for example: 14,619,317 available and 12,167,421 men fit for service. The USA: 70,502,691 available but only 2,056,762 fit for service. Our advanced army comes from the fact that we do not rely on troops, but rather technological weapons like stealth jets and cruise missiles. China has the largest army on the planet at 363,050,980 available and 199,178,361 fit for service (almost as much as the population of the USA).

Isn't it better to use technological weapons than risk losing lives? After all we can afford to spend the money to do that, why not?

>>Except for the purchase of Alaska, the United States has stayed
>>practically the same size since it formed.
>
>?? I thought that the US
>territory was only the eastcoast
>of North Amerika when the
>US was founded.

Well yeah, but those were acquired through purchases, not conquests, and you're talking about stuff that happened over 150 years ago. We haven't taken over any countries despite the ability to do so. Hell, at the end of WWII with the newfound strength of the atomic bomb and the fact that we were not depleted in force as were most European nations, we could've probably taken over the planet at that time. Already we were the deciding factor in the war.

>>Rome fell to internal strife because it was a primitive
>>Republic that often fell to Caesars.
>
>What are you talking about ?
>I wasn't even born then.
>And I don't have a
>split personality. :-)

But you're "Ceasar" remember? Not "Caesar." :)

-Xotor-

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Hey Xotor, good points on your reply about the diff's between the U.S. and Rome, I shall take a lot of them into consideration.
I will however bring up 1 more point to your point of the fact that the U.S has not expanded After Alaska.

Now, I know this was a while ago, and it was during, a good (and very bad) point in history with the U.S. But I assume you know of the War of 1812, in which the U.S. was at War with... you guessed it, Canada (no shitting people here, not many know of the war of 1812) well, it was more appropriately against Canada, the Brits, and the Natives of the states.

From the documenteries I've watch on the war of 1812, I think it was mainly over the "true" americans situation at the time (I use true americans in the place of indian for a name.) Where, the different Native nations were at war with the U.S armies, and were slowly being pushed north into Canada. I think Canada and the brits were afraid that the U.S was pushing too far into their borders, and the war began, either over the True american situation, or the British Goverment seeing the U.S's push close to their borders a threat (still not exactly sure of what caused it)

Now, what it all came down to, was control for the states (I believe that anyway), that the U.S was trying to get the Native Nations under their boot, and were pissed off cus Canada offered the Natives a complete sovereignty. The war lasted for, 2-4 years (can't remember) and it was a bloody one, hell, it was bad enough that the origional White House was burnt to the ground when the British attacked D.C (no shitting, the origional white house was burnt to the ground, I had trouble believing it myself)

Now, I don't remember everything about the war, so I can't really say exactly what the U.S were doing, but they were fighting for the wrong reason, the war caused a lot of deaths, and examples like this make me afraid of the U.S.

Yes, that's right, I'm afraid of the U.S.
But quite frankly, I feel justified for being afraid of the U.S.
Cus I would only be more afraid, if I lived in the states.

Ps:For any who want info the the war of 1812, look for stuff on the net or your local library regarding, the war of 1812, or Tecumsa (he was the leader of the slightly combined Native nations during the war, he was a great and heroic man who sacrificed his life for the good of his people)


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RE: Damnit.

Well, see, you are right, the U.S is highly advanced, but most other countries have the same level of technology as the U.S does, Canada has a very good Space program, as we have a very excellent computer industry, such as Corel, ATI, and many others, not to mention that we are very strong in the field of scientific discoveries, just 4 months ago, we discovered something that helps negate the refusal of transplanted organs.
The u.s isn't really the best, they just have the most Cash to actually work off of it's discoveries, give Canada Trillions and I'm sure we could keep up.

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RE: BLAME CANADA!

[font size=1" color="#FF0000]LAST EDITED ON Nov-15-00 AT 03:16PM (GMT)[p]and now for something completely different...

odin: oh no! they`ve killed kenny!...

xotor: blame canada!blame canada!

dom devore: we said we are sorry for celine dion, but that`s too much!...

chief miroslav:oh no! i`m out of here...

roshambo: eh unclef#$£%! eh unclef#$&%#!

aptyp:guys, let`s drink smirnov and talk about it, ok?guys?...

el_prez: eh cabron, what were you saying about mexico?*bang*

ugly john:i`m ugly and take that canadian fart*brrrrllll*oopss, liquid one...

dom devore: we shall win and put slinky in the presidency!with no recounts!!

xotor:blame canada!blame canada!

roshambo:ohhh that stinks, ugly john unclef#$%#& !!!

8-ball:besides, we`ve got eight balls and you only have two, right?

*everyone but slinky drops their pants*

8-ball:no i`m a mutant...

xotor:blame canada!blame canada!


er, just a little joke here :D , you can go on now...

"shichisho hokoku"
 
RE: BLAME CANADA!

As President of the Universe, my first action will be to abolish stupidy! ::90% of the population dies::

...uh....oops....okay, maybe that wasn't the best idea...

::quickly takes her private space craft to another planet::

-President Slinky
 
RE: Damnit.

>Well, see, you are right, the
>U.S is highly advanced, but
>most other countries have the
>same level of technology as
>the U.S does, Canada has
>a very good Space program,
>as we have a very
>excellent computer industry, such as
>Corel, ATI, and many others,
>not to mention that we
>are very strong in the
>field of scientific discoveries, just
>4 months ago, we discovered
>something that helps negate the
>refusal of transplanted organs.
>The u.s isn't really the best,
>they just have the most
>Cash to actually work off
>of it's discoveries, give Canada
>Trillions and I'm sure we
>could keep up.

Well yeah, give trillions to any country and they can do stuff. However the fact remains that Canada doesn't *have* trillions to do the massive research. Therefore the USA is well ahead.

-Xotor-

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Europe

United my ass!! If anywhere'll start a war it'll be us. People can get fed up obeying stupid EU laws like your peas aren't green enough.
 
RE: BLAME CANADA!

>Now, I know this was a
>while ago, and it was
>during, a good (and very
>bad) point in history with
>the U.S. But I assume
>you know of the War
>of 1812, in which the
>U.S. was at War with...
>you guessed it, Canada (no
>shitting people here, not many
>know of the war of
>1812) well, it was more
>appropriately against Canada, the Brits,
>and the Natives of the
>states.

Actually Canada did not exist as a nation at that time. The war was against the British, who owned Canada at the time.

>From the documenteries I've watch on
>the war of 1812, I
>think it was mainly over
>the "true" americans situation at
>the time (I use true
>americans in the place of
>indian for a name.) Where,
>the different Native nations were
>at war with the U.S
>armies, and were slowly being
>pushed north into Canada. I
>think Canada and the brits
>were afraid that the U.S
>was pushing too far into
>their borders, and the war
>began,

No the war began because "War Hawks," a group who were pissed off at the blockade that Britain was holding against the USA, gained enough political influence to declare war on Great Britain. Not all of the states agreed with the declaration and Congress didn't want to fund another war. The War Hawks had the idea that they could take down Canada because #1, there was very little defense, #2, many Canadians at that time weren't very pleased with Britain at the time and welcomed annexation, and #3, it had some pretty nice resources to use. Unfortunately the War Hawks were a rag-tag group with poor commanders and ill equipped. If the USA was serious about the invasion Canada would be part of the USA right now.

>Now, what it all came down
>to, was control for the
>states (I believe that anyway),
>that the U.S was trying
>to get the Native Nations
>under their boot, and were
>pissed off cus Canada offered
>the Natives a complete sovereignty.

No, some of the frontiersmen thought that Canada was supplying the the Natives with guns so they could resist the USA. That propaganda spread quickly. Really, Canada had nothing to spare, so that was untrue.

>The war lasted for, 2-4
>years (can't remember) and it
>was a bloody one, hell,
>it was bad enough that
>the origional White House was
>burnt to the ground when
>the British attacked D.C (no
>shitting, the origional white house
>was burnt to the ground,
>I had trouble believing it
>myself)

Yeah it was in retailiation for burning York.

>Now, I don't remember everything about
>the war, so I can't
>really say exactly what the
>U.S were doing, but they
>were fighting for the wrong
>reason, the war caused a
>lot of deaths, and examples
>like this make me afraid
>of the U.S.

I don't know about that. Yeah, attacking Canada was pretty dumb, but that was caused by the War Hawk fanatics from the south. The real purpose of the war was to stop Britain from capturing USA trade and war ships because of the blockade between Britain and France.

It was also the final phase in total independance from Britain. The war proved that the United States could hold its own, even against the "invincible" British Navy. It gave the United States respect as a viable nation.

>Yes, that's right, I'm afraid of
>the U.S.
>But quite frankly, I feel justified
>for being afraid of the
>U.S.

Well behave yourself. :)

>Cus I would only be more
>afraid, if I lived in
>the states.

In the states? I'd rather be on the side that would win.

-Xotor-

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RE: Europe

>United my ass!! If anywhere'll
>start a war it'll be
>us. People can get fed
>up obeying stupid EU laws
>like your peas aren't green
>enough.

Well when it comes to NATO-like operations, Europe like to act as a whole, especially England, France, Scandinavia and Germany. The others.. well.. no..

It'll probably be Russia that starts a war. Their situation is very dire and they only need a strong charismatic ruler to start a new revolution..

-Xotor-

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RE: BLAME CANADA!

hey Xotor, are you a history prof or something? :P cus you owned my ass in these debates. But it's all good, maybe some of this has informed some of the others (especially myself) on things we did not know.

and about the your reply to my last post, I did not know this stuff cus the documentery did not say anything about the war hawks or the burning of York etc...

and as for supplying the Indians with Guns, I don't think we did as you said, but we were allied with them in some of the battles. But despite all the horror that happened because of the war, I still find the story of Tecumsa a very moving one, if you read about him closely, you see that he was truly a great man. This isn't really directed to you, cus I'm sure you know about him.

I enjoyed our debate, Well met.



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Oh, and yes, I forgot, hehe, on this subject, I would recomend a good movie called Canadian Bacon, starring John Candy, and Rhea Perlman, it's funny as hell, and depicts a farce war between Canada and the U.S.


Ps: Us Canadians REALLY REALLY REALLY apolagize from Celine Dion. But may I remind everybody, that the U.S was the origin for such demons as Martha Stuart, and Kathy Lee Gifford :P


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RE: BLAME CANADA!

I'm gonna have to agree with my fellow Canadian.
I'm so sorry for Celine Dion, it's not even believable.

I guess the closest an American could get to understanding this would be if that some redneck (i'm sorry if some of you are redneck) mated with a hillbily(sorry again) and their daugters (one of fifteen) started singing and representing your contry everywhere.

"I'm Ugly and i'm sorry!"

on another note some fun fact about war:
in 1960-70's, before the viet-nam war the late president Nixon asked the late prime minister Trudeau to help maintain the peace in viet-nam. Trudeau agrred, but later when Nixon tried to escalate the war to where it got Trudeau refused to send more men to die for a war he tought could not be won and for reasons that would not matter to Canadian,and even pulled out the Canadians there. When they met to talk Nixon at that point called Trudeau an asshole. Trudeau just looked at him and told him "I've been called far worse by far better persons than you!" in his french Canadian accent. I say that would qualified as a kick in the balls.
 
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>Ps: Us Canadians REALLY REALLY REALLY
>apolagize from Celine Dion. But
>may I remind everybody, that
>the U.S was the origin
>for such demons as Martha
>Stuart, and Kathy Lee Gifford
>:P

And I must appologize for Crap, oops sorry, I meant "rap" surfacing from the states.

-Xotor-

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>"I've been called far worse
>by far better persons than
>you!" in his french Canadian
>accent. I say that would
>qualified as a kick in
>the balls.

Yeah, listening to a French-Canadian accent is one step below castration.

-Xotor-

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>hey Xotor, are you a history
>prof or something? :P cus
>you owned my ass in
>these debates. But it's all
>good, maybe some of this
>has informed some of the
>others (especially myself) on things
>we did not know.

The internet my friend, the ultimate source of knowledge in the world.

>and as for supplying the Indians
>with Guns, I don't think
>we did as you said,
>but we were allied with
>them in some of the
>battles.

They were allied, but it wasn't as if the Canadians had guns to just give to the Natives to stir up trouble. Most were from trade, and whatever weapons the Indians got even during the war were probably their own.

>But despite all the
>horror that happened because of
>the war, I still find
>the story of Tecumsa a
>very moving one, if you
>read about him closely, you
>see that he was truly
>a great man. This isn't
>really directed to you, cus
>I'm sure you know about
>him.

Yes it was pretty sad, as were most dealings with the Native Americans. I find the Inquisition the worst because it was done in the name of religion. How could the Inquisitors believe that you were really converting natives by using the policy, "Convert or get flayed to death." Not to mention that early explorers would torture natives just for fun. They'd hang them up by their thumbs over fires just for entertainment and complain that they made too much noise! Truly a sad era indeed.

-Xotor-

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RE: BLAME CANADA!

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>Oh, and yes, I forgot, hehe,
>on this subject, I would
>recomend a good movie called
>Canadian Bacon, starring John Candy,
>and Rhea Perlman, it's funny
>as hell, and depicts a
>farce war between Canada and
>the U.S.
>
gotta check that one...


>Ps: Us Canadians REALLY REALLY REALLY
>apolagize from Celine Dion. But
>may I remind everybody, that
>the U.S was the origin
>for such demons as Martha
>Stuart, and Kathy Lee Gifford
>:P
>
>
and the baywatch guy, you know, the one that did a tvshow with a talking car, don`t remember the name...
oh david hasselhof :-(
btw, how about those intestins ugly john? :-) working fine now?
and xotor, regarding inquisition and the discoveries, hope i`ll have the time soon to discuss that, i`m from a nation that had inquisition and discovered a third of the known world (maybe in two weeks time, i`m returning to college after a long five years period with petty jobs ,helping raise a kid with some health problems and helping my wife with her degree, hey, married young and thought i already knew a bit of everything and that was enough, man, what a dumbass i was).
hail to president slinky !

"shichisho hokoku"
 
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Intestins Ok! just had cofee FARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRTTTTTTTTTTTT!
sorry!

My theory about knowing everything is like this:
Every two to five years you see how much you didn`t know anything two to five years ago.
IE
When you`re 16 you know that you know everything.
When you`re 18 you know that the world revolves around you and you still know everything.
When you`re 21 you realize how a dumbass you were when you were 16 and now you know that you didn`t know half of what you knoe now, but NOW you know everything.
When you are 23 you now know that the world didn`t revolve around you when you were 16. You think well it was because i was young, but now you now twice as much an therefore you think that you are twice as brilliant.
At 26 you know that you didnt know anything at 21 and you realize that you were just a kid, but now you know that you don`t know everything but you know twice as much as when you were 21.
At 28 you realize that you now know twice as much as when you were 23. But now you know that you are not twice as smart than at 23 but rather that you just know more.

Well this is my life, it`s also why i can`t comment above 28, your inputs might be valuable. I`ve come to realize that you don`t become more intelligent but rather less ignorant. It sure took me a long time to figure this out but i think it`s the way of life.
I can remember when i was 16 someone explained what i just told you to me and man! was he way off!(so i tought) i knew better and no matter how much i tought i knew and that i tought i still had to learn i still tought that i was the smartest person on the earth (not literally). When you are young you don`t seem to be able to learn from the wisdom of elders, maybe that`s what is wrong with our societys (all of them no matter where) because if we did i think the world would be a better place. Well either that or we would be living in fallout shelters.

Wow that sounded like a speech at the miss teen universe pageant "... and if i win i will use my title as an abassador for world peace!!..."

"I`m Ugly and i`m looking forward to the next five years"
 
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wyse words, i think ;-)
i now know how things are at twenty-nine, thy`re the same as they were at twenty eight. hope i`ve helped you.

p.s.: shit, i started playing games before xotor and dom devore were born!

"shichisho hokoku"
 
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