Creation Kit and Bethesda.net mods are out

To be fair, doesn't Valve own all the rights to mods on the Steam Workshop? I think it's shit business practice, but I'm just saying that Bethesda isn't the only company to do crap like that.

 

Except that is not the case.

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To sum it up, If it is their tools used they can post it, advertise it, share it and remove it at whim, but it remains in the authors ownership. That way they can avoid issues with console. All responsibility goes back to the modder. Unfortunately for Bethesda, no one told them that just because you have a TOS doesn't make it legal and binding. If someones game, console or life gets fucked up and Bethesda could have done something to stop it, no TOS can protect them.

 

Basically if I understand it right, that means that the mod developer owns the mod unless the CK's EULA says otherwise, which it does, since it says anything made in it is property of Bethesda.

EDIT: I think if there is any problem with a mod and people complain, the author will be the one blamed, by what I understand it means the mod is owned by the author unless Bethesda specifically says it is not... I think it is a way of Bethesda to not take any responsibility for errors and problems, but also to safeguard themselves and "appropriate" any mod when it is convenient for them for whatever reason.

 

The difference here though is that Valve supports the modding community and even in some cases helps great mods turn into stand alone games. Remember Counterstrike? That was a mod before it became a game and they uplifted the modders who made it by buying them and supporting them.

Black Mesa? Was a recent mod that Valve said that they could turn into a stand alone and market as a game with Valve only retaining some of the properties at the IP/copyright holder.

Hell Portal was a college project someone made and they hired them and let them make Portal.

Valve learned early on that supporting their modders was by far the best thing they could ever do for their company. And in doing so have furthered Video Games as a form of art rather than just a business model.

The whole Steam Greenlite project was inspired by stand alone mods that should be turned into marketable games, and later incorporated all fledgling games.

Now I know everyone is going to bring up the Valve/Steam and Bethesda paid mods fiasco, but once Valve caught wind of the outcry they crushed it without even talking to Bethesda about it. Comparatively game company wise Valve has been the most supportive of its fan bases and modding community. Not to mention the fact that they rarely if ever send out lawyers to crush mods or other IP that is similar to their own.

The only case I ever heard of Valve doing anything remotely legal against a modder was Black mesa. And that was because Black Mesa had Source at the end of its name and they were in the middle of talks about getting it turned into a stand alone marketable item rather than a mod. It wasn't a case of protecting copyright but to allow the modders to have free reign over as much of the games property as possible to prevent stunting their growth.

 

there is the explanation of why there are no horses in the Fallout games
Beth: They will be the main character in the FO 5 !! kkkk

 

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I mods only for my amusement, that meets my needs.

 

Ain't horses extinct in Fallout? I remember a big discussion about this during the FNV hayday where it was brought up that because of radiation poisoning and that horses can't puke they'd... Die? Or something.

(And Chance's flashback is not reliable, he's a strung out druggie who's losing grip on reality.)

 

That's a shame, horse is a good meal.

 

Mirelurks supposedly taste awesome. At least according to... what was her name? Grandma sparkle?

 

Cats were also extinct but then we have Fallout 4... And they are not extinct anymore
So maybe some horses survived in some cowboy themed vault or something stupid like that

 

That's not funny. In fact your scaring me. I mean beth wouldn't disrespect fallout that hard.

 

You can't take what Mr. House says about cats for granted, right? His remark that cats are extinct is another one of his pretentious claims characterizing his arrogance.

And another thing: I admit now that mods cannot restore the level of role playing from previous entries in the Fallout series, not because doing so is difficult, but because it's impossible due to hard coded constraints.

 

*fixed

 

Urgh. Do you see any cats in Fallout 1 and 2, or even heard about them? Any mention at all?
Using your disbelief of Mr. House's saying cats are extinct to describe him like that is just..... urgh. Irrelevant. Okay, there was supposed to be Van Buren where it seemed cats were to make an appearance. But would you consider Mr. House's dialogue as a way for Obsidian to tell us about the fate of any other animals from before the Great War? Shouldn't cats undergo some form of mutation? Is there any explanation Bethesda gave us regarding why cats are the exact same from before the bombs fall?

Now, now, more on-topic. What are the thoughts of anyone here who have tried the GECK? Is it as good or better than the previous GECK?

 

http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Listen_to_Stacy's_kitty_story

 

Can't remember who and which thread, but someone do said it's creation kit of skyrim with some new little goodies, and it have always online DRM.

 

Ah, yes. What a fool am I, having played just 3-4 days ago. I'm not sure how NMA feels about it, since it's from Fallout 2, but I stand corrected.

Hmm..

 

I mean, one could always pull the old excuse that "oh well horses could've survived 'somewhere', we don't know that they're extinct on a global scale". But I don't like that. Some species should've gone extinct when a nuclear war happened and kitties and horses should stay extinct IMO. Bringing them back from nowhere just feels wrong. Yes, we don't know for certain that horses and kitties are extinct but when it has been implied or flat out stated by characters in the games I think it would be for the better to stick to it. There are so many creatures out there that aren't supposedly 'extinct', why not bring them into a future Fallout game? Why cats? Why horses? What good does it do to piss on what has been previously established (or at the very least strongly implied)?

It's the aftermath of a nuclear war, a global war of hellfire, blacked out skies and extreme lethal levels of radiation. Some things should've gone extinct.

Mountain Lions hasn't been declared as being extinct for example. They're part of the kittie family. They're just not house cats. I wouldn't mind if they appeared in a Fallout game.

 

But Fallout has Horses:

 

So... finally caught up on this thread and it's insteresting, but after reading 12 pages of text, the thing that sticks in my head is "but 'stupider' is a real word."