Danes vs Muslims?

welsh

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Ok, so how goes that whole Islam/free speech/dutch thing.

When I think of the Danes I think hot chicks and beer, not Muslims.
When I think of Muslims I think submission to god, praying five times a day, and no beer (but I there have been some hot muslim chicks).

But usually
Denmark and Islam

Prophetic insults
Jan 5th 2006 | COPENHAGEN
From The Economist print edition

Free speech clashes with religious sensitivity

FOR much of last year, various squabbles have simmered over several prominent Danes' rude comments about Islam. Now a schoolboy prank by a newspaper has landed the prime minister, Anders Fogh Rasmussen, in the biggest diplomatic dispute of his tenure in office.

The latest spat started some months ago when Jyllands-Posten, Denmark's biggest-selling broadsheet, published a dozen cartoons depicting Muhammad. Visual representations of the prophet are frowned upon by the faithful. And Jyllands-Posten's cartoons were undeniably strong stuff: one showed Muhammad in a bomb-shaped turban, another depicted him wielding a cutlass and a third had him saying that paradise was running short of virgins for suicide-bombers. The paper insists that it meant no offence: it was merely protesting against the self-censorship of some cartoonists who had refused to illustrate a children's book about Muhammad for fear of reprisals. But the result has been a row that has spread far beyond Denmark's borders.

Somewhere there is a thread about Muslim humor.
I've say it again- the security of a faith is measured by its' ability to not take itself too seriously and laugh at itself from time to time.

Examples of secure faiths- Jews and Catholics
Insecure- Muslims and Evengelicals.

Louise Arbour, the United Nations human-rights commissioner, said she was “alarmed” by such an “unacceptable disregard for the beliefs of others”. Similar condemnations came from the European Commission, the Council of Europe and the Arab League. The affair has led to protest marches in Copenhagen and Karachi, and a wave of disapproving e-mails to Danish embassies. The cartoons were even condemned by many in Denmark's liberal-minded intelligentsia, not because they favour censorship but because they see the drawings as part of an increasingly xenophobic tone that has infected all Danish dealings with foreigners.

Ok, but what is more important-
the right of a religion not to insulted-
or the right of a mind to think or vocalize insulting thoughts?

In a country where a member of parliament can liken Muslims to “cancer tumours” and still not lose her seat, unfettered public debate is seen as normal. Danes, like most people, cherish their freedom of speech. But their secular society may have blinded them to some people's religious sensitivities. Uffe Ellemann-Jensen, a former foreign minister, laments his country's lack of manners. “We have a right to speak our minds, not an obligation to do so,” he says.

Should a government be sensitive, or is your sensitivity your own problem?

Mr Fogh Rasmussen has tried to defuse the row mostly by ignoring it. After he had rejected a request for a meeting with 11 ambassadors from Islamic countries to Copenhagen, he was lashed by 22 former Danish ambassadors to the Muslim world, who deplored his ignorance of diplomatic niceties. After several more weeks of dithering, the prime minister at last tackled the matter in his new year's speech, condemning any attempts “to demonise groups of people on the basis of their religion or ethnic background”. But although he alluded to “a few unacceptably offensive” instances, he did not mention Jyllands-Posten by name. And he also insisted that the general tone of the Danish debate was “civilised and fair”.

Caught between a rock and a hard place?

For many Muslims, this is too little, too late. Ahmed Said Kassem, a leading Copenhagen Muslim, has called on Jyllands-Posten to apologise and on the government to dissociate itself from the cartoons. In a sign that the row may have some time still to run, the Organisation of the Islamic Conference, a 57-strong group of countries, has also announced a boycott of “Images of the Middle East”, an exhibition due to be held in Denmark this summer. What should have been a celebration of Denmark's cultural links with the Islamic world now looks like falling victim to Danish free speech.

So how about we get rid of all images of all kinds from the Middle East, depicting the Middle East or depicting Islam?

I mean, seriously....WTF?
 
Many Muslims have sticks up their asses, nothing new there. Many Christians do as well, nothing new there. Unlike Christians, some of the Muslims with sticks up their asses are willing to strap C4 around their bodies and blow themselves up in a kindergarten when someone insults their religion - nothing new there.

What do Dutch have to do with this, though?
 
Re: Dutch vs Muslims?

welsh said:
some hot muslim chicks

Ewwww... Did not expect something like that from you.

Of all the religions I consider Islam to be the most restrictive and intolerant one. And I see a serious menace in it. Remember any Christians who blew themselves up in public in the name of Jesus Christ?

Seriously, I’m very suspicious of Muslims around me, as I have no idea of their intentions.

Religion is the opium of the people, really.
 
But doesn't Islam teach peace and harmony type of things, and it's just the extremist sects that take it Islam into it's extreme teachings, then blow themselves up??

I'm not saying I know what they teach in Islam, but the majority of what they do preach and teach is peaceful...
 
duckman said:
But doesn't Islam teach peace and harmony type of things, and it's just the extremist sects that take it Islam into it's extreme teachings, then blow themselves up??

I'm not saying I know what they teach in Islam, but the majority of what they do preach and teach is peaceful...

Well, yeah. Religion is what you make of it.

The sad part is that the majority of Islamists are fundamentalists. Even the liberal ones tend to be a lot stricter than what you'd expect.

Truely liberal Islamists are a minority.

You CAN go ahead and live by your interpretation of the Q'oran, but that doesn't neccessarily make you a muslim.

However, it's not as if the average "faithful" American would be any less fundamentalist. There's just a lot less in the Bible that can be abused as an excuse for violence than there is in the Q'oran -- especially if you focus on the New Testament post-crisis God (rather than the Old Testament "Sodom's gonna pay" God).

Most scriptures contain excuses for unneccessary violence, tho, so I guess none of them can claim moral superiority.

If I had to chose, I'd stick to Zen Buddhism. It's more of a "Can't be arsed" mentality.
 
Welsh said:
Dutch vs Muslims?

How CCR.

Rusty said:
Ewwww... Did not expect something like that from you.

How Archie Bunker.

Rusty said:
Religion is the opium of the people

How Nietsche.


Really, all the problems mentioned in these debates are stemmed from the poor integration processes towards immigrants in west European countries.

Anyways. Where are the Dutch mentioned anywhere in this article?
 
Well Islams/Muslims the bunch can go from loving peacefull father into a religious fanatic that kills anyone in two seconds. That's like ok in their book.

In most other religions you have the wackos also, but not this Loving dad to psycho fanatic thing. The whole bloody culture and suddenly become a rock throwing mob and they don't think it's a bad thing.

They are nuts.
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Re: Dutch vs Muslims?

[Rusty Chopper said:
] Remember any Christians who blew themselves up in public in the name of Jesus Christ?

No, but I do remember hearing about these three crusades...
 
When I think of the Danes I think hot chicks and beer, not Muslims.

Danes?

When I think of the Danes I think of Denmark, which is not exactly related to the Dutch who live in the Netherlands ("Holland" or "Not Belgium").

Are you THAT American that you can't even remember which peoples live in which countries?
 
DirtyDreamDesigner said:
Also, Wooz misspelled Nietzsche...

[/Ashmo]

Also also, "religion is the opium of the people" is a Marx quote, not a Nietzsche quote.

[/Ashmo]
 
Thanks Wooz, my goof. I originally thought this was about the dutch but its about the Danes-

And yes, hot Muslim chicks. I have known some really hot paki, malay and persian chicks, even a few turks. Hot chicks are not exclusive to religion.

And yes, there are Christian fundamentalists. But they reserve there bombings to abortion clinics these days. Then again, every once and awhile you get an extremist walking into a mosque with an automatic weapon.
 
Ashmo said:
the Netherlands ("Holland" or "Not Belgium").


The second discription is the one most commonly used worldwide, actually.

Probably because the Dutch have been trying to state their independance in the face of Belgian dominance for centuries now.


Petition to refer to Dutchistania as 'Not Belgium' from now on. 'Belgian periphery' would do too.
 
Jebus said:
Ashmo said:
the Netherlands ("Holland" or "Not Belgium").


The second discription is the one most commonly used worldwide, actually.

Probably because the Dutch have been trying to state their independance in the face of Belgian dominance for centuries now.


Petition to refer to Dutchistania as 'Not Belgium' from now on. 'Belgian periphery' would do too.

Jingoism is soo 2001... :roll:
 
Jingoism is 2006 too.
It returns in five-year cycles, kinda like your sexlife.
 
Jebus said:
Jingoism is 2006 too.
It returns in five-year cycles, kinda like your sexlife.

Pffft, for your information those are seven year cycles.

Plus, uh... I chose celibacy... so I can devote my energy to... kung-fu... yeah. :look:
 
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