We will stop when we ALL agree! >:I
Death penality - Yes or No?
- Thread starter Crni Vuk
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We will stop when we ALL agree! >:I
Imagine if you killed someone and they was't guilty though, You have literally committed murder. Saying that though I would rather be killed than spent my life not guilty in prison
Mr Fish
Slippy sloppy, The
Well when that happens we simply execute everyone involved in the process of the innocents execution and voila! New job openings! Win win.
Marinc
Per Aspera Ad Astra
I went with undecided, cause some people are for prison time, others just need to be shot for the shit they've done. It's stupid to feed and care for them.
It a worst punishment to keep them alive though. Some people desevre to suffer for wha tthey have done
Mr Fish
Slippy sloppy, The
Then just crucify them.
Marinc
Per Aspera Ad Astra
Yeah i heard that. While it may be true, i know that some of them are so derranged they don't give a damn. So it's kinda pointless.
Too much work. And besides, i'm not saying torture or something, really just shoot him and move on. Don't waste time. Again, all this is for cases that are well known, is confirmed he really did that crime.
Mr Fish
Slippy sloppy, The
But I want to see the highways lined up with crosses and decaying corpses. 
naossano
So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs
Undecided, although, quite close to *no*
- First, you need to be 100% certain that the person did actually commit the deed. There were quite a lot of cases in which people charged with death penalty (or already dead) were proven innocent or case which people were still investigating possible flaws in the case.
- Second, it should only be applied to outright murder. Not for accidental killing, not for rape, not for thief, not for disagreeing about the holyness of the dictator. You don't deserves to die if your didn't make other people die.
- On the other end, we also need much better prison, prison that don't just take people away from society, but prisons that try to make those people better than what they were before entering. Currently, many people just do the same deeds right after spending time in prison, many other become even worse, if they spend enough time with other criminals or terrorists brainwashers. Other are just too tired or too old to act again when they leave. Some are just afraid of getting sentenced again, but still wish to commit the same crimes if they were allowed. We just lock them up instead of trying to make those people change. So, in some way, better get rid of them, by way of death, exile, harsh work or loss of civil rights, than just feed future criminals. Yet, they still not deserve to die, per se. Those aren't responsible of the flaws of our penal systems. (and the flaws of our society, by extension)
- First, you need to be 100% certain that the person did actually commit the deed. There were quite a lot of cases in which people charged with death penalty (or already dead) were proven innocent or case which people were still investigating possible flaws in the case.
- Second, it should only be applied to outright murder. Not for accidental killing, not for rape, not for thief, not for disagreeing about the holyness of the dictator. You don't deserves to die if your didn't make other people die.
- On the other end, we also need much better prison, prison that don't just take people away from society, but prisons that try to make those people better than what they were before entering. Currently, many people just do the same deeds right after spending time in prison, many other become even worse, if they spend enough time with other criminals or terrorists brainwashers. Other are just too tired or too old to act again when they leave. Some are just afraid of getting sentenced again, but still wish to commit the same crimes if they were allowed. We just lock them up instead of trying to make those people change. So, in some way, better get rid of them, by way of death, exile, harsh work or loss of civil rights, than just feed future criminals. Yet, they still not deserve to die, per se. Those aren't responsible of the flaws of our penal systems. (and the flaws of our society, by extension)
R.Graves
Confirmed Retard
and rape, imo.
but you don't need to be 100% sure for other punishments? yeah there's going to be mistakes but I really don't think that means that invalidates everything the death penalty has to offer. if you have a life sentence you're never going to reenter society so why should society have pay to feed and care for you? from a purely practical view a death sentence makes 100% more sense than life sentence.
Prone Squanderer
A bit of a Sillius Soddus.
But I want to see the highways lined up with crosses and decaying corpses.
Only problem with crucifixion is you'll end up with situations like this:
A thought: I've actually met a murderer. A neighbor of mine, for a couple of years, and, with my bad luck w wacky bat-shit neighbors, he was actually one of the more decent ones.
He let me bum some cigs from him a few times, he was always polite, and he fed my cat when I was away. He was also a needle junkie, but not like the cliche messed up barely able to speak people, but still a junkie.
When I knew him, he was in his 40 (although looked 10 years older), and the murder he commited was 15 years before, 6 of which he had spent serving prison time. Muggery gone wrong. Dunno any details.
People change in 15 years. Sure, he was still a low-life, shooting up and stuff, but violence was part of another lifetime for him.
People sometimes kill. It is extremely unfortunate, and we have prison for that, short sentences, long sentences.
But SOME people kill so much more...
Or with much more deliberate viciousness.
Like Eddie Izzard joked "You killed 100 000 people? Well done! You must get up very early in the morning!"
There's a certain thereshold where someone is SO murderous or destructive, there's no reason to keep them around, as I see it.
He let me bum some cigs from him a few times, he was always polite, and he fed my cat when I was away. He was also a needle junkie, but not like the cliche messed up barely able to speak people, but still a junkie.
When I knew him, he was in his 40 (although looked 10 years older), and the murder he commited was 15 years before, 6 of which he had spent serving prison time. Muggery gone wrong. Dunno any details.
People change in 15 years. Sure, he was still a low-life, shooting up and stuff, but violence was part of another lifetime for him.
People sometimes kill. It is extremely unfortunate, and we have prison for that, short sentences, long sentences.
But SOME people kill so much more...
Or with much more deliberate viciousness. Like Eddie Izzard joked "You killed 100 000 people? Well done! You must get up very early in the morning!"
There's a certain thereshold where someone is SO murderous or destructive, there's no reason to keep them around, as I see it.
naossano
So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs
The point is that if you aren't 100% certain, it means that you can still work on the case and maybe prove the guy is actually innocent. If your guy is still him prison, you can still release him and maybe pay him a fee to compensate the time he lost in prison. If the guy is dead, you can't resurrect him. He will be an innocent dead, but a dead man all the same. If you are 100% certain he did the deed. Like if he was gunning down dozens of people and hundreds of other people could see him doing it, there is no risk he will be proven innocent a few years later. You can safely sentence him to death, as he will remain guilty of those charges, even a few years later.
About rape, i am not saying it isn't a crime, but you can't consider it as the same as taking a life. The damage could still be healed over time. If you kill the guy, he would end up suffering a worse fate than his victim. That isn't justice.
TheGM
The voice of reason
I've always found life in prison to be a way worse fate then being put to sleep. Sure there are mad dogs that you will most likely need to put down since most of them don't care you've locked them away anyway. but whatever.
R.Graves
Confirmed Retard
its not the same as taking a life but its just as bad in my mind. worse depending on the circumstances.
its not about justice its about efficiently removing undesirables from society.
naossano
So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs
Those indesirables also have rights.
R.Graves
Confirmed Retard
not if the government take them away. prison already takes away the right to freedom.
Mr Fish
Slippy sloppy, The
Prone Squanderer
A bit of a Sillius Soddus.
I like that song.
Wait... so do I. Does that mean crucifixion would be a good idea?
Mr Fish
Slippy sloppy, The
Absolutely. The horror of the torturous death would control the population through the means of fear, we'd help solve the problem of over population if just by a little bit AND we get a fucking kickass song to listen to whenever we gotta take a long ass drive which means you won't need the car stereo which means it'll drain less battery.
Win-win-win-win.
Crucifixions 2020.