Diversity in video games and whatnot

[CT Phipps]

phoning in Diversity just to stroke sjw dicks because of their massive, frail egos is embarrassing. It's unnecessary, and should only be added to the game if it fits the setting, otherwise it can fuck right off. It's sad how AAA have to do this shit because of the drones refusing to play the game based on skin color/culture. How fucking hilarious that these people point at others for being racist, yet don't realize they're the kettle.

I would be interested in hearing what you think a very properly done diverse game which wasn't phoned in is?

I have a few personally but agree with @RangerBoo about New Vegas being a pretty good example. The post-apocalypse United States should be a place where skin color no longer matters and everyone is mixing with everyone. I also felt it did pretty good with sexual diversity.

 

[Vergil]

That was actually a character of mine in a Call of Cthulhu game. A Black US soldier who stayed in France after the war because he'd felt much better appreciated there than he had been in the United States.

That's hilarious, doubly so considering Dr Fallout just mentioned that they didn't get along with the French. Funny, a black man talking about how a country connected to a World War treated him better than America did... sounds kind of familar.... hmmm.

Which brings me to another question. If we must have all these diverse protagonists and those fucking WHITE MALES are so terrible that they need to be done away with and White guys just have to accept playing as someone that's totally unappealing or unrelatable to them because if they don't they're sexist/misogynistic shitlords.... couldn't you just turn around and apply that same logic in reverse? I mean for example if blacks are so fanny flustered they don't have as many games where they're protagonists why don't they make their own games? Why must already existing IPs and settings be shifted and changed to kowtow to minorities when they could just as easily create their own stuff themselves? Maybe create a game about some African war or whatever instead of retconning WWI to be extremely ethnically diverse? Same with SJWs crying about sexism, how about instead of ranting and raving about why Link just needs to be a girl for some reason you make your own game? Of course when SJWs DO actually make games they're entirely text based word documents like Depression Quest or Walking simulators you can beat in under 50 seconds like Gone Homoe so maybe it's better they don't

I've always meant to research that period of history to learn more because WW1 and WW2 are my least general known historical subjects.

LOL
Good luck

I would be interested in hearing what you think a very properly done diverse game which wasn't phoned in is?

I'll go ahead and say I think New Vegas did an absolutely fine job of it. I didn't even know Veronica or Arcade were gay until multiple playthroughs later and reading about it online. Hell I recently played it a few months ago and found out Major Knight was as well. They don't make a big fucking deal about it. Theres no "omg i cant handle this opreshun u guise!", they're not total Mary Sues who are totally perfect in everyway, they're also not constantly talking about how much they want to gobble every dude's cock/munch on every chick's rug and basically constantly flashing a big shiny arrow at themselves saying SEE LOOK IM GAY!!!!! HEY EVERYONE IM GAAAAAAAAAAY LOOK AT ME LOOK AT ME AND MY GAYNESSSSSSSS!!!!!!! WEW THIS IS PROGRESSIVE!, theres no big blurb on the back of the box talking about how brave and progressive Obsidian is for having it, and it can totally never come up if you don't dig for it. It's realistic, it's subtle and it doesn't ever take the forefront to give some big lecture for the developer to soapbox their agenda awkwardly. I personally appreciate Arcade myself because like 3 whole people I know, know I like men and it's not information I just randomly drop on people for no reason and he doesn't either.
plus you can just blow their faggot asses up if it bothers you that much ;^)

 

[FalloutIsMyDrug]

Diversity quotas definitely are uncalled for. It's mostly the same principle as affirmative action. Any minorities get into college easy because there aren't as of them and we should all feel guilty. It's so baffling to me when I hear people say that we need to help more blacks get into college due to racism in the past, because it is just so obvious to me that this is also racism. Are people blind to this or do they just not care? Racism is always abhorrent in my opinion. Why is it okay to use racism to give individuals today a boost for persecution against the same race as them in the past? That's still targeting people based on race, and if said proponents of this plan were truly "color blind", then how could they justify targeting blacks for any reason? This isn't racial equality, it's still racist. The same concept applies to video game characters. Minorities should be included where appropriate and to realistic extents, but there is no reason to overcompensate. The old saying "Two wrongs don't make a right" holds true for this subject.

One thing we should look out for in video games is the ruining of perfectly good characters that are also minorities. It was so sad seeing Samus Aran turned into a stereotyped weak female with no backbone that cries at the first sense of danger and calls to the nearest man for help. She also allows this jerk to walk all over her. Other M was a spit on the face of the Metroid series. I remember when Samus was a strong independent bounty hunter that didn't need no man(and she didn't cry at boss fights either).

 

[Zerginfestor]

I'll go ahead and say I think New Vegas did an absolutely fine job of it. I didn't even know Veronica or Arcade were gay until multiple playthroughs later and reading about it online. Hell I recently played it a few months ago and found out Major Knight was as well. They don't make a big fucking deal about it. Theres no "omg i cant handle this opreshun u guise!", they're not total Mary Sues who are totally perfect in everyway, they're also not constantly talking about how much they want to gobble every dude's cock/munch on every chick's rug and basically constantly flashing a big shiny arrow at themselves saying SEE LOOK IM GAY!!!!! HEY EVERYONE IM GAAAAAAAAAAY LOOK AT ME LOOK AT ME AND MY GAYNESSSSSSSS!!!!!!! WEW THIS IS PROGRESSIVE!, theres no big blurb on the back of the box talking about how brave and progressive Obsidian is for having it, and it can totally never come up if you don't dig for it. It's realistic, it's subtle and it doesn't ever take the forefront to give some big lecture for the developer to soapbox their agenda awkwardly. I personally appreciate Arcade myself because like 3 whole people I know, know I like men and it's not information I just randomly drop on people for no reason and he doesn't either.
plus you can just blow their faggot asses up if it bothers you that much ;^)

This, so much fucking this. Diversity should ALWAYS take the fucking backseat, and never taking the wheel of a story. It becomes ironically offensive, cringey, annoying and just plain bad, ESPECIALLY when it comes to fucking sexuality. That shit should be kept like it's kept in reality: Personal and it should only be broadcasted because of mental issues of the character (Betty in NV calls out to women because of a SERIOUS Physical and Mental trauma that happened, being raped by a fucking fiend called Cook-Cook) and even so, it shouldn't be broadcasted 24/7.

 

[CT Phipps]

Uh, Vergil, you might to re-read what was posted. You really misunderstood it.

It's kind of a famous thing the Black soldiers of the US military were treated like shit by the American side (because fuck Woodrow Wilson, that's why) and then got treated extremely well by the French.

 

[Vergil]

Uh, Vergil, you might to re-read what was posted. You really misunderstood it.

It's kind of a famous thing the Black soldiers of the US military were treated like shit by the American side (because fuck Woodrow Wilson, that's why) and then got treated extremely well by the French.

I blame poor phrasing. Appreciate the ignoring of the two massive paragraphs and focus on the loosely related sentence at the start instead though.

 

[CT Phipps]

I blame poor phrasing. Appreciate the ignoring of the two massive paragraphs and focus on the loosely related sentence at the start instead though.

Okay, I'm glad you enjoyed New Vegas too?

 

[Vergil]

Okay, I'm glad you enjoyed New Vegas too?

I would be interested in hearing what you think a very properly done diverse game which wasn't phoned in is?

I guess not then. Unless you're only interested to hear what he has to say alone which is weird in a public forum but alright I guess.

 

[Dr Fallout]

It's kind of a famous thing the Black soldiers of the US military were treated like shit by the American side (because fuck Woodrow Wilson, that's why) and then got treated extremely well by the French.

I wouldn't say extremely well, the French had no problem with fighting with Black soldiers but it's not like they were buddies. I've got a booklet somewhere discussing their history, oh and if you're interested in WW2 Black units look for the the 92nd infantry division.

 

[CT Phipps]

I wouldn't say extremely well, the French had no problem with fighting with Black soldiers but it's not like they were buddies. I've got a booklet somewhere discussing their history, oh and if you're interested in WW2 Black units look for the the 92nd infantry division.

Thanks! Much appreciated!

 

[Dr Fallout]

Thanks! Much appreciated!

There's also the 'Go for Broke' Nisei infantry, American Japanese soldiers. The Russians also had Asians in their army, from Siberia who were tough veterans. Unfortunately they don't do much in disproving Vergil's views, as they were the biggest problem in terms of rape in Germany at the end of the war. In fact, Russian soldiers would be gentle to women they raped and ensured their protection because as shitty as it was to the woman, it would have been nothing compared to if a Siberian did it.

 

[Vergil]

Unfortunately they don't do much in disproving Vergil's views, as they were the biggest problem in terms of rape in Germany at the end of the war. In fact, Russian soldiers would be gentle to women they raped and ensured their protection because as shitty as it was to the woman, it would have been nothing compared to if a Siberian did it.

Oh well thank God those noble slavs where "gentle" to the women they were raping. Clears that whole thing up. Soviet Union eternal good guys.

Also don't forget to look into the Free Arabian Legion and the black and moslem members of the Wehrmact and the SS if we're going to start playing the "le special snowflake units means World War II was diversity land".

 

[CT Phipps]

Which brings me to another question. If we must have all these diverse protagonists and those fucking WHITE MALES are so terrible that they need to be done away with and White guys just have to accept playing as someone that's totally unappealing or unrelatable to them because if they don't they're sexist/misogynistic shitlords....

I don't think there's a war against white males or there's a particular need to get rid of white males as protagonists. I do think there's a definite half-assing of female and diverse characters which makes the games played to be less enjoyable. I mentioned Fallout 4 as a sign of the problem with the game where the straight, white male protagonist is the default. This is problematic in Fallout 4 but not The Witcher 3 because you're SUPPOSED to have options in Fallout 4 which isn't the case in The Witcher 3 where you're a white male character and it actually MATTERS to the plot.

Ditto you can't do Mafia III in the Sixties as a White character. It's an important plot point you're a racial minority in a time which shits on them.

Maybe create a game about some African war or whatever instead of retconning WWI to be extremely ethnically diverse? Same with SJWs crying about sexism, how about instead of ranting and raving about why Link just needs to be a girl for some reason you make your own game? Of course when SJWs DO actually make games they're entirely text based word documents like Depression Quest or Walking simulators you can beat in under 50 seconds like Gone Homoe so maybe it's better they don't

Well, there was this theater of war in World War 1.

WW1 wasn't just a bunch of white guys shooting each other in Europe. There were also a bunch of Black people fighting in the conflict for America. But I do think it's lazy storytelling and a bad idea to treat the experience of those Black soldiers as identical to those of White ones.

You can't just do, in video game terms, a palette swap.

I'll go ahead and say I think New Vegas did an absolutely fine job of it. I didn't even know Veronica or Arcade were gay until multiple playthroughs later and reading about it online. Hell I recently played it a few months ago and found out Major Knight was as well. They don't make a big fucking deal about it. Theres no "omg i cant handle this opreshun u guise!"

It's interesting you also bring that up because Arcade has no problem with homosexuality because he grew up in the relatively open NCR. While Veronica DID deal with homosexual oppression in the Brotherhood of Steel. It's just not the whole of her problems--which are much wider and more related to the setting than just being gay.

She is a character who is gay and not a "gay character" primarily.

I actually think this is a better because Dorian from Dragon Age: Inquisition suffered a bit from the fact he lives in a slavery-practicing infernalist magocracy Empire and his primary problem is his dad doesn't like him because he's gay.

It seemed like a missed opportunity.

Oh well thank God those noble slavs where "gentle" to the women they were raping. Clears that whole thing up. Soviet Union eternal good guys.

Yeah, I don't see the need to polish Soviet war crimes.

 

[Vergil]

I don't think there's a war against white males or there's a particular need to get rid of white males as protagonists.

lol then why is there a constant call for less White protagonists?

I do think there's a definite half-assing of female and diverse characters which makes the games played to be less enjoyable. I mentioned Fallout 4 as a sign of the problem with the game where the straight, white male protagonist is the default. This is problematic in Fallout 4 but not The Witcher 3 because you're SUPPOSED to have options in Fallout 4 which isn't the case in The Witcher 3 where you're a white male character and it actually MATTERS to the plot.

The issue with Fallout 4 stems from bethesda's incompetent writing, dumb decision to have voice acting, and just general laziness. In all the promos and stuff for the past games they had the "default" be a White guy and it never was a problem then.

Ditto you can't do Mafia III in the Sixties as a White character. It's an important plot point you're a racial minority in a time which shits on them.

That's an example of forcing diversity into an already existing franchise. Why did the MAFIA franchise need to randomly totally shift setting and themes to be about racism against blacks? I've already been over this multiple times, Mafia isn't a series for crying about "muh wacism", create your own franchise for that, don't leech off of and ruin others to spread your agenda. I wanted a good conclusion to Vito's story not have him become a side character in some random shmuck's story so I can be lectured about my evil ancestors some more.

Well, there was this theater of war in World War 1.

WW1 wasn't just a bunch of white guys shooting each other in Europe.

The fighting in the Middle East wasn't the focus of the war at all. Yes there were some colonial fighters in Europe's COLONIES but they were in mainland Europe doing a huge chunk of the fighting like Battlefield 1 portrays. Making a WW1 game with a focus on fighting in the Middle East and an over abundance of black fighters in Europe is like making a WWII game about fighting Romanian Nationalists as Algerian colonial soldiers. It's borderline disrespectful to the source material.

here were also a bunch of Black people fighting in the conflict for America.

Yea about 350k of them out of the 3 million Americans who were only involved towards the end of the war. Clearly this makes it ok for half of the teams be black and have a black man on the cover of a game about a predominantly European war.

But I do think it's lazy storytelling and a bad idea to treat the experience of those Black soldiers as identical to those of White ones.

You can't just do, in video game terms, a palette swap.

I don't think a game about WWI (a very underused setting) needs to be about that.

It's interesting you also bring that up because Arcade has no problem with homosexuality because he grew up in the relatively open NCR.

I find it amusing you mention the "relatively open NCR".

{Quieter, doesn't want to be overheard}This isn't the Republic. Oddly enough, Legion's a little more forgiving about... friendships. Out here, it's not as accepted.

Another point for the Legion I guess

I actually think this is a better because Dorian from Dragon Age: Inquisition suffered a bit from the fact he lives in a slavery-practicing infernalist magocracy Empire and his primary problem is his dad doesn't like him because he's gay.

Dorian was the most flamboyant Mary Sue on the planet and his primary problem being "muh father hate me cuz im gay" is putting it in the forefront waaaaay too much. You can tell he's a flamer just by looking at him.

Yeah, I don't see the need to polish Soviet war crimes.

Oh yea they killed a lot of them too.

 

[Dr Fallout]

Oh well thank God those noble slavs where "gentle" to the women they were raping. Clears that whole thing up. Soviet Union eternal good guys.

Also don't forget to look into the Free Arabian Legion and the black and moslem members of the Wehrmact and the SS if we're going to start playing the "le special snowflake units means World War II was diversity land".

The Germans were lucky that the Russians were so noble. Widespread rape was the only notable thing that occurred under the Soviet occupation, while the Germans were raping, murdering and starving the Russian citizens by the millions. Stalin allowed the rape to occur because he saw it as a bloodless way to funnel all those years of hate and suffering into one activity that ruined lives yes, but saved oh so many others. If the Russians acted like the Germans then East Germany would have been full of corpses, many of them not soldiers. They did terrible things, but it could have been a lot worse.

By the way, I read an article on Muslim-German relations, and it's actually quite interesting. The Germans wanted the Muslims as allies!

 

[Vergil]

The Germans were lucky that the Russians were so noble. Widespread rape was the only notable thing that occurred under the Soviet occupation, while the Germans were raping, murdering and starving the Russian citizens by the millions. Stalin allowed the rape to occur because he saw it as a bloodless way to funnel all those years of hate and suffering into one activity that ruined lives yes, but saved oh so many others. If the Russians acted like the Germans then East Germany would have been full of corpses, many of them not soldiers.

You're literally justifying the mass rape of innocent women and children (with false claims against the Germans no less) and calling the rapists noble.
Don't do that.

 

[Dr Fallout]

You're literally justifying the mass rape of innocent women and children (with false claims against the Germans no less) and calling the rapists noble.
Don't do that.

False claims?
I'm not, I'm merely saying that as bad as it was, it could have been a lot worse. It's disgusting how the Red Army acted but, it is nothing compared to what the German army did.
Also false claims?
There's a lot of evidence to support it, such as eye-witness accounts, mass graves and officer accounts.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_crimes_of_the_Wehrmacht#Invasion_of_the_Soviet_Union

 

[Vergil]

it is nothing compared to what the German army did.
Also false claims?
There's a lot of evidence to support it, such as eye-witness accounts, mass graves and officer accounts.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_crimes_of_the_Wehrmacht#Invasion_of_the_Soviet_Union

I tell you what these Nazis who reopened some 470 churches and were hailed as crusaders to save them from Godless Communism look pretty evil.

^ look at these fucking rape apes.

I'm sure the Soviet Union who wanted to keep a tight grip on it's newly gained territory after WWII (including half of Germany) is being totally truthful with their official account of what happened while their people were being freed from them and wouldn't try to demonize and de-legitimize their new subjects.

 

[CT Phipps]

I'm of the belief the Nazis were horrific monsters and the Soviet campaign against them, while understandable given the atrocities committed, was still horrifying.

And there's no need to lionize either set of actions.

Or say it could have been worse.

Especially given Eastern Germany ended up under brutal Soviet occupation.

 

[Vergil]

-snip-

I liked your post a lot better before the edit.