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I thought it was pretty funny when it was going on, actually. I'm not pissed at anyone. Though I was bothered by the signature Spazmo gave me "I have a ring through my cock B)"...Mainly because I lost the ring a while back..And it was a barbell...So..You know.
 
Montez said:
I don't think he needs anybody to speak up for him, but all the same it seems like everyone is being a little too harsh on megatron as far as fucking up DAC goes. He wasn't given admin status with the expectation that he was going to be a responsible member of the team and keep DAC running - he was told specifically to go nuts with the powers he was given, ban people, and make a fucking mess. Yeah, he might have a share of the responsibility, but 90% lies with Killzig and Kreegle.
..... but as far as the larger drama goes I don't think megatron's much at fault.
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Yeah, from what I am seeing I agree, megatron should not be singled out. But that doesn't really explain the larger picture of why things happened as they did, even if we have a better understanding how things happened. One post in GD in weeks, that's fucked up.

And even if meg is right and if, as he suggests, this board is a bit boring, i don't see that happening here. Currently these boards seem fairly busy, even if NMA has a smaller list of registered users (I'm not if that's accurate). But that doesn't mean it couldn't and I guess that worries me a bit.

From what I see from the other fallout sites, there seems to be a decline in traffic but that could have been because I was surfing during the holiday season when people generally are away. What happened at DAC could be symptomatic of a problem found on the the other sites and I'd like to know how to avoid it. Maybe it's as simple as users getting involved.

I'll be clear on one thing, and this is something others may disagree with, but everyone here is free to post just about what they want ( but remember it is a PG crowd) and perhaps in that way we stay vibrant and alive.
 
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One post in GD in weeks, that's fucked up.
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No, things weren't quite that bad. There had been one new topic started in GD within the last week. I don't exactly agree w/Killzig's methods, but I am forced to admit that it has breathed a bit of life into the place again.

However, I'm not sure how long that spark will last. It took one hell of a jolt to get the kind of reaction we're seeing, but it wouldn't have the same effect again, not to mention that I don't think it cured the underlying problem of people having little common ground other than the FO RPGs and perhaps a few other titles, not to mention the antagonistic nature of most of the discourses.

The blame certainly doesn't rest solely on megatron/pyro's shoulders. There are a lot of other factor's involved that combine to turn into the soap-operatic fiasco we saw.

welsh said:
What happened at DAC could be symptomatic of a problem found on the the other sites and I'd like to know how to avoid it. Maybe it's as simple as users getting involved.
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One of the problems w/the Fallout community is that it's loosing its reason for being. How long can people sit around and prattle on about the same RPG franchise that hasn't had any truly new blood since '98? The community as a whole is getting to the point where it's going to have to mutate and adapt to new circumstances or it's going to slowly fade away, with ony short bursts of vitality brought on by one thing or another (e.g. related title being released or a publicity stunt to shake things up). I don't see the community surviving more or even less intact for very much longer. I think it will fragment into different camps that follow paths, some more divergent than others.

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I think games like Metaheart and The Fall will give this place a reason to exist. Plus we have interesting conversations that will keep me coming back.

This community is more than the game it was built on, we have things in common besides love of Fallout. It may mutate, but go away? doubtful
 
This is something I have noticed with the Unwashed Villagers- they seem to have mutated and moved beyond discussion of fallout. While I would not want this site to become like that one (no offence to the unwashed out there) I do agree that it is normal if not expected that a community will evolve into something different with time.
 
Murdoch said:
This community is more than the game it was built on, we have things in common besides love of Fallout. It may mutate, but go away? doubtful
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Yes, the community is indeed built on more than the game it is founded upon. No argument there, whatsoever. However, what I'm saying is that it will mutate, and in so doing it will not be the same any longer. I'd say probably within the next two years it will be practically unrecognizable. This, of course, is barring that we don't have some unforeseen occurance like the resurrection of Fo3 by a party that will do it justice; or a spiritual succesor to the franchise that revitalizes the community.

One of the things I will point out to support this is the increasingly wide gap between NMA and DaC. While there are people like myself that are involved with both, quite a few people on either side of the fence will gleefully sling mud at the other side. DaC and NMA are very different places, and I think this is going to increase as time goes on until the two are on completely different paths.

welsh said:
This is something I have noticed with the Unwashed Villagers- they seem to have mutated and moved beyond discussion of fallout.
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Great example.


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or a spiritual succesor to the franchise that revitalizes the community.
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More likely than many think. Look at the screenies of Trokia's next project, a Post-Apocalyptic RPG reportadly using the HL2 engine.

If that does not give us life, then we deserve to die as a community.
 
I don't mind the community crumbling apart, everything has too end. The problem with some forums closing is that you lose communication with some cool people sometimes. You also end up having too look for another community for something you like, one that isn't dead or closed to newbies or just stupid. Being on the interberry is ok, but being part of a community is also pretty good.

I think the community will fall apart over the next 3 or so weeks. But, as the recent drama has shown, the community returns when anything even mildly intresting happens. You just need too get the word out.
 
I do not want to get into this that much, due to some personal issues with DaC, but Ill say this much.

I think the community will fall apart over the next 3 or so weeks. But, as the recent drama has shown, the community returns when anything even mildly intresting happens. You just need too get the word out.
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I really fail to understand how you think banning three of your more active members, not to mention several others (principally myself, Kash and Ghetto) helps a community. If anything, when you get rid of people like myself and Kash, who are nothing if not as hostile as some of the people there, you move the site farther from the mainstreme, and hence only quicken the death. I think Kreegle was right in what he did, right in what he wanted to do, but not right in the way he did it.
 
I just banned kash? I'd like ghetto goose too come back. I don't know who this mysterious third member is.

Kash doesn't even post much. He's alright sometimes but then he keeps whining about Finland or America? He's a bit like you.
 
I'm curious, what was the motive for banning me at the time? Was it just because I posted that pic in the thread announcing your rise into power? Or is it because you guys love me and my vast intellectualism so much over there?
 
I just banned kash? I'd like ghetto goose too come back. I don't know who this mysterious third member is.
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Who banned Kash then? Spazmo?

Kash doesn't even post much. He's alright sometimes but then he keeps whining about Finland or America? He's a bit like you.
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Actually, he is quite a bit like me, but that is not the point. He was banned twice, once when he was a very active member of the community, again when he was not so active.
I thought you where Finnish? Or was that Lasse?

Anyway, thanks for avoiding the topic at hand. How does banning regular forum posters help do anything but excellerate the decline? Instead shouldnt DaC limit, if not ban, some of the overly critical fucktards who's sole purpose is to scare possible active members of the community away?
 
From what I heard about DaC, and I quote,

bunch of commies
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anarchists
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spammers
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loose confederation of rebels
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I'm not entirely surprised that this had happened. Although, I must admit, I don't see it as entirely fair. But Killzig did say that he pays for it and found a new host or something like that. So in turn, it is and isn't fair. But there are some admins that were good, (Insane-Lark and Kreegle) that I knew a little or had conversations with. So, I don't know how this will change DaC since I just joined up a few weeks ago. Anyhow, I hope that this doesn't affect the admins like Lark or Kreegle too much since I found them to be sincere and kind. But I would be pissed too so I can see as how they are. I just hope this doesn't happen over here as well since I have grown to like this community. Maybe Odin or who ever is the head admin should put some kind of backup plan or something in case a coup de ta does happen. Perhaps perform background checks on new members (are they anarchists, rebels, anti-mods/admins?).
 
Perhaps perform background checks on new members (are they anarchists, rebels, anti-mods/admins?)
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Yes, people being anything else than little conformist sheep should be banned. Anybody that hasn't aryan blood in his family for 6 generations should be banned too.
Background checks and home invigilations should keep those evil communists and betrayer terrorists away.

Are you a member of the World Church of the Creator?
 
Actually I have heard DAC being called a group of evil Nazi's with the maturity of a middle school crack addict with Attention Deficit Disorder.

But then they called us here at NMA evil Nazis as well.

Fuck em. Look, you can't please all the people, all the time.

Sometimes people get flamed and sometimes controversy is a good thing.

It's free speech baby, not inoffensive speech and if you can't hack the game don't play.

On the other hand, meg, I can't really agree with being nonchalant if the board dies or lives. Yes, everything dies. But as admins and mods I think there is some responsibility to keep the community vibrant and alive, especially during bad times.

Likewise, taking a position on flaming people whose opinions you don't like would seem to undercut the growth of the board. Sure, some folks may need to be straightened out or told to shape up. But it's easy to let the power of the board get to your head. Then the admins and mods become board nazis as well. Censoring unpopular ideas or what some see as offensive ideas can also undercut the community.

But anyway, that's just how I think of these boards.
 
ConstinpatedCraprunner said:
I just banned kash? I'd like ghetto goose too come back. I don't know who this mysterious third member is.
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Who banned Kash then? Spazmo?
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me, but that still doesn't explain the three big posters. explain plz

Actually, he is quite a bit like me, but that is not the point. He was banned twice, once when he was a very active member of the community, again when he was not so active.
I thought you where Finnish? Or was that Lasse?
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I'm English. And why bring it up in the first place, which leads too...

Anyway, thanks for avoiding the topic at hand.
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Yar shut up. I don't remember killzig raping you, so why cry about dac all the time like it's some horrible nightmare you had to go through.

How does banning regular forum posters help do anything but excellerate the decline?
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Hey dipshit, they weren't regular posters. Kashluk posts on and off every few months. I don't really mind if he stays or goes, but I'd rather him not fuck up topics with his patriotic bullshit thnx.

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Hilarious. You don't like a site because there's some communists and rebels there? And there's probably more spammers here, but whichever. Your whole 'background check' idea is also pretty dumb, it's a forum, not some elite club where you're responsible for something.

I don't mind these boards, most of you are okay. It's just the topics seem unfocused and some of you talk a lot of bullshit? DAC is similiar, I just like the users there better than here.

I'm all for freedom of speech or whatever chitlins. I don't really mind if someone likes shooting guns or is a vegetarian, it varies a community. The problem with DAC I reckon is everyone trying to act tuff all the time. On the gamespy boards everyone has just happy spamming and shit, I dunno. NMA is too...peaceful for me. Nobody seems willing to argue for there opinion, not that you have any threads that you don't seem too all agree on anyway? There should be some middle-ground between NMA and DAC.

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me, but that still doesn't explain the three big posters. explain {"plz" bitch-slap me.}
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Myself, who was in the top 10 posters at the time of my banishment. You banned Kash before, and that is why he became less active. Ghetto Goose. I also think banning Kharn and Ozrat was stupider, and even stupider was the positive reaction that had from most of the forum's denizens.

I'm English. And why bring it up in the first place, which leads too...
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Because I was curious. Is Lasse Finnish?

Yar shut up. I don't remember killzig raping you, so why cry about dac all the time like it's some horrible nightmare you had to go through.
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O, he did not. I just loved the forums at that moment. I just go there, and I remember it before it was completly infested with Commies, Goths and other depressing idiots. Not that NMA does not have idiots, but that is for another sub-post.

Hey dipshit, they weren't regular posters. Kashluk posts on and off every few months. I don't really mind if he stays or goes, but I'd rather him not fuck up topics with his patriotic bullshit thnx.
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Well, before you took away the ability to look at GD without registering, I remember Kash being banned before he was inactive. He was still an idiot and a bit of a jerk, but still.....an active, normal member of the community, who was banned for no reason other then sharing his opinon. You on the other hand have commited countless other, signifigantly greater offenses......and you are not even banned.

To PaladinSolo:
Hilarious. You don't like a site because there's some communists and rebels there? And there's probably more spammers here, but whichever. Your whole 'background check' idea is also pretty dumb, it's a forum, not some elite club where you're responsible for something.
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PaladinSolo's idea was stupid, but he has a point. I am willing to bet that 30-60% of the posters there associate themselves with a radical, dead political movement, such as the Commies or the Nazis or the Anarchists. The lack of a moderate, informed, not-totally genocidal opinon is a serious flaw in the DaC boards.

I don't mind these boards, most of you are okay. It's just the topics seem unfocused and some of you talk a lot of bullshit? DAC is similiar, I just like the users there better than here.
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Wh?at? Hap?pp?en?ed? Ques?ti?on bu?tto?n st?uc?k?

Ill agree that DaC is similar, and the topics are unfocused, but we have alot less of the people mentioned above.

I'm all for freedom of speech or whatever chitlins. I don't really mind if someone likes shooting guns or is a vegetarian, it varies a community. The problem with DAC I reckon is everyone trying to act tuff all the time. On the gamespy boards everyone has just happy spamming and shit, I dunno. NMA is too...peaceful for me. Nobody seems willing to argue for there opinion, not that you have any threads that you don't seem too all agree on anyway? There should be some middle-ground between NMA and DAC.
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Not a bad idea. But good luck getting a new FO site with enough members to justify it's exsistance. I use RPG Codex as my DaC backup, and that certainly is something between these two boards.
Perhaps with Tim Cain's new post-apocolyptic game?
 
Wooz, I didn't mean anarchists as in people who hate nations. I meant those that hate authority. I'm not implying you should be banned unless you have some evil intentions eh?

And Megatron, relax, simple idea. God, you all preach freedom of speech, yet when someone MENTIONS an idea, all of you get on a bashing rampage.
 
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