Dumb thought about miniguns...

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RE: The truth of Fallout Miniguns

Hmm. I think you got me cornered there.


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But hey, it's only a game man! Games aren't supposed to be realistic, it's the fun factor that counts!
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RE: The truth of Fallout Miniguns

>Hmm. I think you got me
>cornered there.
>
>
><Desperate mode on>
>But hey, it's only a game
>man! Games aren't supposed to
>be realistic, it's the
>fun factor that counts!
><Desperate mode off>


The game is meant to be realistic AND fun. The whole point of an RPG is putting the player in a realistic environment.


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RE: The truth of Fallout Miniguns

>The game is meant to be
>realistic AND fun. The whole
>point of an RPG is
>putting the player in a
>realistic environment.

However games are meant to let the player enjoy an experience that he/she could not experience in real life without danger to themselves or others. You can't go around killing people with miniguns in real life so you can do it in a game. This is with exception to games like "Reader Rabbit" but I think you knew that already.

Still.. Fallout was/is meant to show a somewhat realistic portrayal of a post-nuclear world.

-Xotor-

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RE: The truth of Fallout Miniguns

(in private pyles voice)
"7.62 milimeter. Full metal jacket"


P.S. to all you who dont know what im talking about do yourself a favor and go rent stan kubricks "Full Metal Jacket" Quality Entertainment.
 
Actually mini-guns do not have any recoil. Another neat thing about them, is that they never jam, or misfire.
 
just another dumb thought, but how about if you were to make the barrels out of a ceramic, polymer blend? that ought to get the weight down, the ammo should be a caseless 10mm or 7.62(.32) don't remember, fireing out of a floating breech (system that ought to get the recoil problem down), and powered with the same source as the heavy plasma......nuff said
 
RE: The truth of Fallout Miniguns

>
>The game is meant to be
>realistic AND fun. The whole
>point of an RPG is
>putting the player in a
>realistic environment.

I'm sorry to go off the topic of the minigun but has anyone tought about the BB gun?

Kill an enclave soldier with a BB gun?
Yet killing anything bigger than a possum with a BB gun?
Not really realistic but fun none the less
 
IIRC it's because even if it missfires the shell is still ejected on the carrying belt that feeds the ammo.
and i think it can't jam cause the barrel is not so thight to the bullet since you don't need accuracy because you a fire power
 
It has no recoil because the barrels rotate so quickly. I do not know why it doesn't jam or misfire though.


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>just another dumb thought, but how
>about if you were to
>make the barrels out of
>a ceramic, polymer blend? that
>ought to get the weight
>down, the ammo should be
>a caseless 10mm or 7.62(.32)
>don't remember, fireing out of
>a floating breech (system that
>ought to get the recoil
>problem down), and powered with
>the same source as the
>heavy plasma......nuff said

Even with barrels of light materials still weigh a lot, especially when you're toting six of them, each four feet long.

Let me put this into perspective. One of the lightest miniguns, the Vulcan cannon, weighs about 120 kilograms, or about 260 pounds. How do you expect to narrow that down to a mere 40 pounds (the weight of the Avenger Minigun in Fallout, the heaviest if I remember right).

Also, miniguns, even the slowest, fire at around at least 20 rounds per second (1200 rounds/min), and the shortest burst a minigun can get off is about 6 seconds. That's 120 bullets! That's hardly like the 25 bullets emitted from a Vindicator.

-Xotor-

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Rotation nullifies recoil? Please explain this to me. (Physics isn't my favorite subject:)
 
>Rotation nullifies recoil? Please explain this
>to me. (Physics isn't my
>favorite subject:)

I don't know about that. Rotation only makes it harder to tilt the axis of the rotating body.

Want proof? Get yourself a bicycle tire with a rod through the axel. Diagram:

[pre]
_
| |
||| Back and forth would be < --- >
|||
|||
====|||==== <- Axel
|||
|||
||| <- Tire
|_|

[/pre]

Then hold onto the rods, one side in each hand (so it rotates towards your face), then have someone rotate the wheel as fast as they can. Try to tilt the wheel, it is HARD (especially if it is fast and is a heavy wheel). But if you try to move it back and forth as shown on the diagram it isn't hard.

Therefore rotation does not nullify recoil.

What can nullify recoil is if you have the barrels either be somewhat free of the holder so they can recoil without pushing the holder back, or to have it compress some gas as it shoots back and redirect that gas to push heavy free-moving objects in two opposite directions so as to cancel out each other and therefore create no recoil at all.

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Xotor, I just felt like arguing.

We all have to remember that the Fallout series takes place let's say some 50-100 years in the future. Doesn't sound like much compared to other sci-fi novels and movies etc., but think of all that's been done in the last decade alone. I'm saying this, because maybe sometime in the future, the following may have happened:

a) development of a lighter/stronger metal
b) development of a lighter/slower minigun (one that doesn't fire 60 rounds a second)

I'm sure some of you are thinking "how could we find a new metal in fifty years?". A scientist/researcher/whatever-you-want-to-call-him recently won a Nobel prize for discovering a polymer/physics-thingy that is, in essence, a replacement for steel. It's lighter (far far lighter), stronger, and easier to produce. However, they are still working on how to make the polymer/etc., err, align itself, if you will, to form a sheet, not a blob, of this metal. I've forgotten the name of the metal and it's creator, but I'll let you know when I find it.

As for a personal minigun never existing, there must have been some sort of prototype of some sort, or else how could you explain all of it's references in movies/games/tv series/etc?

I also have an amazing picture of a real-life handheld minigun, but it's too large to upload to the server (75kb).

Well, that's all for now.
 
>Xotor, I just felt like arguing.
>
>
>We all have to remember that
>the Fallout series takes place
>let's say some 50-100 years
>in the future. Doesn't sound
>like much compared to other
>sci-fi novels and movies etc.,
>but think of all that's
>been done in the last
>decade alone. I'm saying this,
>because maybe sometime in the
>future, the following may have
>happened:
>
>a) development of a lighter/stronger metal
>
>b) development of a lighter/slower minigun
>(one that doesn't fire 60
>rounds a second)
>
>I'm sure some of you are
>thinking "how could we find
>a new metal in fifty
>years?". A scientist/researcher/whatever-you-want-to-call-him recently won
>a Nobel prize for discovering
>a polymer/physics-thingy that is, in
>essence, a replacement for steel.
>It's lighter (far far lighter),
>stronger, and easier to produce.
>However, they are still working
>on how to make the
>polymer/etc., err, align itself, if
>you will, to form a
>sheet, not a blob, of
>this metal. I've forgotten the
>name of the metal and
>it's creator, but I'll let
>you know when I find
>it.

Could it be titanium? ;) Matches that description for the most part.

>As for a personal minigun never
>existing, there must have been
>some sort of prototype of
>some sort, or else how
>could you explain all of
>it's references in movies/games/tv series/etc?

There is a personal minigun, the GE ...(I'm sure Xotor can fill this part in) and the Vulcan 132 (or something).

>I also have an amazing picture
>of a real-life handheld minigun,
>but it's too large to
>upload to the server (75kb).



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b) development of a lighter/slower minigun


What the hell would be the point of that? The whole purpose of a mini gun is to have an increased rate of fire. They have rotating barrels so that none of them overheat.
 
that pic could possibly finalize this discussion.
Can't you convert it into a smaller format?
 
The minigun is not affected by misfires, or jams because it is powered by an external source. Say if a round fails to go off in an AK-74, the bad round will not be ejected and the new one will not be loaded into chamber, you'd have to do it manually. Now if a round misfires in a gatling gun, the electric/hydrolic motor will spit it right out, and put a new one in.

I'm not quite sure about the recoil though, I heard it's some gas thing.
 
>Xotor, I just felt like arguing.
>
>
>We all have to remember that
>the Fallout series takes place
>let's say some 50-100 years
>in the future. Doesn't sound
>like much compared to other
>sci-fi novels and movies etc.,
>but think of all that's
>been done in the last
>decade alone. I'm saying this,
>because maybe sometime in the
>future, the following may have
>happened:
>
>a) development of a lighter/stronger metal
>
>b) development of a lighter/slower minigun
>(one that doesn't fire 60
>rounds a second)

A counter to that point:

What, then, is the purpose of so many barrels on the minigun then? If you're not firing the gun so fast that the barrels overheat you might as well get yourself a Tek-9 or something, it sure is a hell of a lot lighter.

The *only* points of multibarrel use are to disappate heat and prevent barrel corrosion. The only way these two things occur is if you are firing at extreme rates.

>I'm sure some of you are
>thinking "how could we find
>a new metal in fifty
>years?". A scientist/researcher/whatever-you-want-to-call-him recently won
>a Nobel prize for discovering
>a polymer/physics-thingy that is, in
>essence, a replacement for steel.
>It's lighter (far far lighter),
>stronger, and easier to produce.
>However, they are still working
>on how to make the
>polymer/etc., err, align itself, if
>you will, to form a
>sheet, not a blob, of
>this metal. I've forgotten the
>name of the metal and
>it's creator, but I'll let
>you know when I find
>it.

But that is not metal, that's a polymer compound. The truth is that you can create EXTREMELY strong structures simply by honey-combing titanium. However how well this dissipates heat is another issue. Also, the motor used to power the gun is quite heavy. I assume that your "metal" does not form good magnets?

>As for a personal minigun never
>existing, there must have been
>some sort of prototype of
>some sort, or else how
>could you explain all of
>it's references in movies/games/tv series/etc?

That all originated with Wolfenstein 3D where the top gun was a gattling gun. They wanted a gun that fired faster than a machine gun.

However go and scour the internet, there are *no* personal miniguns outside of games and movies. I have searched for them, they do *not* exist.

Put in a search for "personal minigun" and a whole hell of a lot of them will be Fallout links, and the rest, FPS games.

You know the helicopter gun in the Matrix? That's the average size of a minigun, and they fire about the same speed.

>I also have an amazing picture
>of a real-life handheld minigun,
>but it's too large to
>upload to the server (75kb).

I'll have to see it. I mean, yeah, and they have 0.5 caliber browning round pistols (ammo that goes into 2km range sniper rifles) too, but it isn't like they're of any real use.

-Xotor-

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> The minigun is not
>affected by misfires, or jams
>because it is powered by
>an external source. Say
>if a round fails to
>go off in an AK-74,
>the bad round will not
>be ejected and the new
>one will not be loaded
>into chamber, you'd have to
>do it manually. Now
>if a round misfires in
>a gatling gun, the electric/hydrolic
>motor will spit it right
>out, and put a new
>one in.

That is simply an extra "feature" of miniguns, the *real* purpose of all those barrels is to fire at an extremely high rate.

-Xotor-

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