E3 2009

[Bal-Sagoth]

No, my idea of an exclusive is all games on one system, two of which later got ported to a different console. The other consoles got a single game in the series much later. Hell yes, it's an exclusive. MG may not have started on said system but MGS did. FF didn't originate on PS either.

BTW, I just watched the Castlevania trailer and it does look pretty good. That's what I'd expect MGS Rising to be. It said Kojima Productions was involved but is the guy himself working on it?

For the series to have been exclusive then all of the games would have had to stay exclusive, they did not. If it was ported at a later date does not matter.
I was not even thinking of the Twin Snakes, I was assuming we were talking about the port to the PC. I really wish they would have left that bullet time nonsense out of TS.

This argument could go on for ages and have no good come of it so I will agree to disagree.

And yes, he is directly involved. With some other European studio although the name escapes me. I will dig around and update my post when I find it.

Right now I am on Team Xbox in the E3 temp forum talking to a bunch of people about the new Metal Gear games and Kojimas statements towards Peace Walker/Rising. Some of them did not like the cold shoulder he gave towards Rising while praising SW as the "true" successor to the series.

It was funny hearing Kojima talk about the game, stressing that this was the true sequel to MGS3 and that the MGS4 team is working on it. He was millimeters away from saying, "This is the real Metal Gear Solid sequel, not that multiplatform Raiden crap I showed at the Microsoft press conference."

yeah that is pretty frustrating to hear. does he really hate a platform so much that he refuses to even attempt to do a good game? i hope thats not the case because id love to support his franchise. If he doesnt care about it, its going to be Substance all over again, and that would be a shame. personally, Id rather they just not waste there time if its going to be a hollow gesture.

Personally I think people are jumping to conclusion a bit to fast. Change is not always a bad thing. It is a gamble sure but something great might still come of it.

 

[BlitzKitchen]

The Star Wars: The Old Republc trailer was created by Blur Studios. They are quite talented, in my opinion.

 

[Multidirectional]

I liked Mafia 2 gameplay video. My fears regarding driving don't seem to come true, it's not arcade-ish from what I can see. Health regen still sucks, but overall it seems like a worthy sequel.

*edit* Updated to better quality link.

 

[SimpleMinded]

The new Castlevania does look pretty awesome. It would be nice to see them finally do a 3D Castlevania right.

I'd go the complete opposite direction when looking at that myself since the 360 doesn't really offer anything that the PC doesn't besides a handful of games (most of the good ones get ported to PC). The PS3 is a good Blu-Ray player so it actually has something extra that is worth getting (though you could always fork out for a Blu-Ray player and/or burner for PC).

I don't have either and have no real drive to get either. Had the PS3 been a repeat of the PS2, things would be different, but given that the 360 is a repeat of the XBox with a few more games and many more games going to PC, I have no drive to get either. We'll see if the next generation of consoles does any better.

Yea, that's the problem I've been running into. The PS3 has blu-ray which would save me the hassle of ever getting a blu ray player. My major question is simply, will that be an issue for long? Sigh, this is the big reason why I haven't really bit into either system yet.

And the 360 upscales the movies from Netflix which is a nice help. Whenever I've watched the streams with my PC equivalent, I feel like I'm watching a YouTube video.

That's cool and would be a decent reason. Do you know if the videos DVD quality?

I honestly have no idea. That's mostly recounted on having heard it from a friend, and then watched an episode of South Park with him on his TV and having it look as good as the real thing.

 

[maximaz]

For the series to have been exclusive then all of the games would have had to stay exclusive, they did not. If it was ported at a later date does not matter.
I was not even thinking of the Twin Snakes, I was assuming we were talking about the port to the PC.

Well, even if exclusivety means something different to you, my point was that MGS is an important series for PS. Every game in the series has either been full exclusive or timed exclusive, which makes it a big deal for PS, whatever your definition of exclusive is. I mean do you remember how big of a deal Sony losing timed exclusivety of GTA4 was? I don't understand how you can even deny it. I will agree to disagree but it's one of those times when I simply don't see your point.

 

[Bal-Sagoth]

For the series to have been exclusive then all of the games would have had to stay exclusive, they did not. If it was ported at a later date does not matter.
I was not even thinking of the Twin Snakes, I was assuming we were talking about the port to the PC.

Well, even if exclusivety means something different to you, my point was that MGS is an important series for PS. Every game in the series has either been full exclusive or timed exclusive, which makes it a big deal for PS, whatever your definition of exclusive is. I mean do you remember how big of a deal Sony losing timed exclusivety of GTA4 was? I don't understand how you can even deny it. I will agree to disagree but it's one of those times when I simply don't see your point.

GTA4 I remember to some extent. All of this absolutely pales in comparison however to what it was like losing Final Fantasy. That completely puts all other lost exclusives to shame.
It is a big deal but it is hardly a megaton bomb like FFXIII was.


I suppose for me personally I am skeptical because I do not know what I am getting out of it. I share the views of the Team Xboxers that I posted in my last post to some extent.

It is hard for me to get hyped for a game when the very person who had the greatest creative influence on the series removes himself to such a large degree and inadvertently gives it the cold shoulder in favor of other titles.

In places like System Wars and the other little "console wars" forums I post in this is hardly making a huge dent at all. To be honest what everyone was really expecting was a "subsistence" type port for MGS4 with Raiden DLC or something along those lines.
Even those that thought we were getting a new game had no idea that it was going to be a spin off with Kojima having little involvement compared to previous titles.

You know what did make the huge dent and what everyone cannot shut the fuck up about? Natal and Sonys Motion controls. I am already SO SICK of hearing about it. To be honest at this point neither of them interest me in the slightest.

I just like hearing/talking about games. Gimmicks and what not do not really interest me, I am perfectly happy using a controller.

http://www.pcworld.com/article/166027/future_controller_wars_natal_vs_ps3.html

Guess I better get used to it eh?

 

[maximaz]

Well, personally, I think those motion things are a waste of time. Wii is the reason for that crap, of course. There is certainly a lot of potential and possibilities but I'm 99% sure none of them will be realized.

A few games will come out that will use those features in a sort of a fun mechanic but I don't expect them to change anything.

It may go a different route, however. If companies start releasing Wii games on PS and MS with better controls and graphics, it will destroy Wii. If there is an easy way to do so, better versions of all those crap interactive Wii games will come to other consoles and then bye bye nintendo.

 

[UncannyGarlic]

It may go a different route, however. If companies start releasing Wii games on PS and MS with better controls and graphics, it will destroy Wii. If there is an easy way to do so, better versions of all those crap interactive Wii games will come to other consoles and then bye bye nintendo.

Nintendo isn't going to die so easily, they had a price advantage for a long time, have an image as the "family console" in the states (for better and for worse), and have Nintendo games. The Wii has been extremely successful and MS and Sony's attempts are not going to cut into that. What happens with the next generation of consoles is a different matter entirely but that's still a couple/few years off. What I've seen of Microsoft's plan does not impress me and I'm guessing that the motion plus adapter for the Wiimote will make the Wiimote better than it (assuming it ever comes out).

That said, I'm with you on it being gimicky crap for the most part. It's fun for Wii sports and a handful of other games but motion sensing seems best fit for simpler games.

 

[maximaz]

Nintendo isn't going to die so easily, they had a price advantage for a long time, have an image as the "family console" in the states (for better and for worse), and have Nintendo games. The Wii has been extremely successful and MS and Sony's attempts are not going to cut into that. What happens with the next generation of consoles is a different matter entirely but that's still a couple/few years off. What I've seen of Microsoft's plan does not impress me and I'm guessing that the motion plus adapter for the Wiimote will make the Wiimote better than it (assuming it ever comes out).

I also doubt that MS and Sony gadgets will catch on enough to endanger the Wii, it's just a very slight possibility.

Wii had the price advantage at one point but not for awhile now. 360 is about 50 bucks cheaper. There are also barely any good games. If other companies can market themselves well and show that they can do things better (which they can), Wii would be in danger. Of course, the possibility is very slim as they won't get anywhere with that crap.

 

[Bal-Sagoth]

I do not know what to think about it. If it can live up to what the video was showing I suppose it is pretty cool. All the same I think people are blowing it out of proportion.

There is a bunch of talk I am seeing about how it will be "revolutionary hardware that will change our lives and not just the way we game".

People getting caught up in the hype train?

 

[Wooz]

It's Molyneux. He always calls his new game something on par with the second coming of Christ, then fails miserably.

 

[UncannyGarlic]

Wii had the price advantage at one point but not for awhile now. 360 is about 50 bucks cheaper. There are also barely any good games.

The Wii has the same problem that the Gamecube had, 90% of their good games are made by Nintendo.

There is a bunch of talk I am seeing about how it will be "revolutionary hardware that will change our lives and not just the way we game".

Yeah. As much as fun as motion sensing is for the handful of games that it works for, it can't work with every game and I do not want to see a shift to most games using that crap.

 

[Serge 13]

I also doubt that MS and Sony gadgets will catch on enough to endanger the Wii, it's just a very slight possibility.

yup, that's true. they still have a winning card:

 

[13pm]

I suddenly felt very pessimistic about Alpha Protocol after watching the E3 videos.

Not that I've been too excited about it, but after seeing the walkthroughs, I felt like it is even worse than I expected.

I don't like the dialogue system a-la Fahrenheit and Mass Effect, but it's not that bad.
From what I've seen, the charaters and the world look like crap. You've got some badass mercenary woman, which wears light clothes in winter (thongs in FOPoS anyone?), you've got some stupid Russian military base with WWII posters (oh man) and other poster with random cyrillic letters just to show it's Russia. That's ridiculous.

Melee combat looks like some random fighting game and doesn't feel like it's very accessible.

And AI... Oh yeah, it reminds me of ol' good Fallout 3... People running into each other and not being able to use the cover.

 

[maximaz]

I agree, Alpha Protocol is not looking that great. Then again, it never has. It doesn't look serious enough to be a good spy game. I don't mean the tone, I mean the quality.

 

[Eyenixon]

It looks absolutely horrible you mean.
I still can't believe that they're parading around that piece of trash, it looks absolutely embarrassing, the production quality is pitiful yet they're attempting to stack it up to something like Mass Effect.
Obsidian gotta realize that they're not the big dogs they were back in the late 90s and early 2000s.