E3 2009

[Brother None]

so just because a game is a certain genre, it's cgi videos can't be of a certain quality?

No, I was just saying that its graphic quality is way too high for an MMO -> the trailer is completely unrelated to the game -> there is no point to it. Pretty much what you just said.

Plus it's a bad trailer. But that's neither here not there.

 

[aenemic]

how is it completely unrelated to the game? it most likely has something to do with the game story-wise. besides the obvious: it's set in the same world/time/universe as the game.

it's a teaser, man. not an actual trailer for the actual game.

 

[MrBumble]

Well, just imagine a trailer for Fallout 3 with nicely written dialogues and meaningful choices being made...

Even Bethesda hasn't had the guts to do that.


Anyway, am I the only one really worried about Valve's new policy though ?

 

[The Dutch Ghost]

Anyway, am I the only one really worried about Valve's new policy though ?

What is their new policy?

 

[Sander]

The Star Wars trailer is kinda stupid. Its graphic quality is way too high for an MMO. And the voice acting is terribad.

Worse even, the trailer shows things that are never going to happen in game (seriously, combat like that? It's just going to be people squaring off hacking blindly at eachother Bioware-style), and also shows that this game too is going to be filled with Jedi, characters that are supposed to be inherently overpowered.

it's a teaser, man. not an actual trailer for the actual game.

In other words, it's actually completely irrelevant to what the game will be like.

Anyway, am I the only one really worried about Valve's new policy though ?

What policy?

Brutal Legend is the only thing I'm looking forward to.

PS: Holy shit, Alan Wake has some horrible voice action.

 

[MrBumble]

The policy of turning what should have been a DLC into a full priced sequel.
The policy of using your customers to actually beta test a concept and then release the real game only one year after...


I mean did you see the L4D2 gameplay videos ?

It's strictly L4D1 with melee weapons and different characters. Yet it's called L4D2...

 

[Dreadwolf]

Yeah that's a bitch move from Valve.
I would have expected this to be a DLC or expansionpack, but a sequel after just one year? that's pretty disturbing

 

[MrBumble]

And some of the novelties are pretty fuckin laughable..

A frying pan ? I mean, REALLY ?

 

[lugaru]

I would not consider L4D to be a beta, it is about as solid as any game released last year. Now I do agree with the full on sequel thing, and I hope they realize that with all the cool stuff they give away for free people will be expecting more than a few levels from a sequel.

My hopes: that you can choose 4 out of the 8 survivors in games going forward... I still think it should always be 4 players but not necesarily always the same 4.

Also I would love to see a mall level.

 

[MrBumble]

Left 4 Dead is pretty solid and I don't consider it a beta in itself but L4D2 will likely contain fixes to some of the bigges gripes expressed by the L4D players.
L4D 2 will for instance most likely feature matchmaking 2.0 and 4vs4 matchmaking.

What I'm trying to say that expecting the players to pay full price for a game that is actually a DLC with fixes that were promised for L4D but didn't come is kinda disrespectful of the consumer...

Oh and did I mention that the frying pan was laughable ? Oops, yes I did. But it is !

 

[aenemic]

The Star Wars trailer is kinda stupid. Its graphic quality is way too high for an MMO. And the voice acting is terribad.

Worse even, the trailer shows things that are never going to happen in game (seriously, combat like that? It's just going to be people squaring off hacking blindly at eachother Bioware-style), and also shows that this game too is going to be filled with Jedi, characters that are supposed to be inherently overpowered.

it's a teaser, man. not an actual trailer for the actual game.

In other words, it's actually completely irrelevant to what the game will be like.

wow, do you even play games? it's a movie clip, likely bound to the story. either just a teaser they threw together to make people interested or it might even be the intro video or a video you will see later in the game, fruthering the story somehow. this is not uncommon. hell, 90% if games do it.

or are you gonna start complaining about the movie clips in for example Final Fantasy VII? or, hmm... Fallout 2?

 

[Brother None]

Man, is it just me or is BioWare starting to specialize in ridiculously bad trailers?

 

[Sander]

wow, do you even play games? it's a movie clip, likely bound to the story. either just a teaser they threw together to make people interested or it might even be the intro video or a video you will see later in the game, fruthering the story somehow. this is not uncommon. hell, 90% if games do it.

You mean the amazing story of 'Sith invade!'?

Look, this is just a little movie to get people going 'Wow how awesome is this!!1111' which is fine, but it doesn't show anything of what the game will be like, and judging by previous Bioware games more probably shows the exact opposite of what you can expect in-game.

or are you gonna start complaining about the movie clips in for example Final Fantasy VII? or, hmm... Fallout 2?

Yes, because clips that are *in-game* are completely relevant as comparison with a teaser trailer.

Man, is it just me or is BioWare starting to specialize in ridiculously bad trailers?

I love how they threw in Marilyn Manson in a serious, medieval fantasy-styled trailer. What the fuck?

Their developers probably don't go much further than 'Wouldn't it be cool if..'

 

[lugaru]

Well also back in the day you didint have character models, you mostly had sprites so you needed videos to fill in the gaps. Now even your average RTS has pretty good models that you can puppet into a semblance of acting, so I think developers should avoid pre rendered videos and maybe even cutscenes when possible.

Still by making them completely in game cutscenes can include whatever outfit you put on your character who who you decided to bring along as allies.

 

[Bal-Sagoth]

Either way, the fact that MGS is on 360 is a pretty big deal, whatever form the game takes. Even the fact that Kojima was there. It made me go Holy shit!.

It was not as much of a stretch as you might think. On Team Xbox it was actually a fairly popular pre E3 prediction. What everyone had fierce debates about was if MGS4 was going to be ported to the 360 with extras and what not.

Kinda like that.

To be honest I am somewhat surprised Microsoft did not buy out the exclusive rights to the game. That is the only real incentive these days to make a third-party game exclusive to one system.

The PC thing in particular is actually what took a lot of us by surprise. I was not aware there was a big calling for it on the PC. Does this also mean that the PC would be lead platform and later ported to consoles?

Regardless overall I am pleased. My only wish was that he leave MGS4 alone and let the "Solid Snake Saga" officially end. It was going to be painful for me if they continued to try and cash in on it after MGS4. That game pretty much tied up every loose end and unanswered question for a story which was 20+ years in the making and to see them milk it past that would have not felt right.

I do not mind a new direction at all. Truth be told a hack and slash Raiden game might be kinda cool. Gray Fox would have been better however.

If anyone has any speculation on what they think the gameplay would be like I would like to hear it. This is new territory for all of us and I really have no clue on what to expect.

I would say like the Gray Fox missions were in VR Missions but Raidens "combat style" in MGS4 was much more fitted for a Devil May Cry type game.

For those of you who have not played http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tJTnsPZpBnI&feature=related

You can see him at a few points in that video iirc taking on a a bunch of frogs.

Plus, there is Big Boss

More than likely he is related to the PSP game that was leaked and will be officially announced today. I cannot imagine them announcing two major console titles.



On an unrelated note...


What did everything think of Project Natal? I have mixed feelings on it personally. Truth be told I am still happy with just using controllers.
I must admit however that the demo video looked pretty impressive and I am very interested in hearing more.

 

[Bodybag]

The policy of turning what should have been a DLC into a full priced sequel.

Please explain this. I've seen a whole subculture of poeple coming out of the woodwork to codemn Valve for not putting out another free game, and I wanted to take a 2x4 and ram it right into the middle of their fat, full-of-entitlement faces... but I'm ready to listen now.

The policy of using your customers to actually beta test a concept and then release the real game only one year after...

... is one not being practiced here. WTF?

I mean did you see the L4D2 gameplay videos ?

It looked fun! Incendiary ammo? Zombies is hazmat suits?! Getting to rumble through my hometown with automatic weapons without fear of incarceration!? SOLD, BROTHA.

It's strictly L4D1 with melee weapons and different characters. Yet it's called L4D2...

There's actually a pretty hefty list of improvements to the AI director, the increased continuity between campaigns, new regular & boss infected, new primary weapons, and at least one new game mode, and there's a rumor that the original characters and campaigns will be swappable.

And one last thing:

Awesome.

 

[Brother None]

What did everything think of Project Natal? I have mixed feelings on it personally. Truth be told I am still happy with just using controllers.

It's mostly Microsoft panicking in response to the Wii, and then trying to outdo it in a weird way. The Wii's technology was old and polished when used, but part of the technology shown related to Natal is highly infeasible at this point, and will no doubt silently be cut before release.

The demo video looked impressive? What demo video? All I've seen are some obviously set-up and staged videos to show off its capabilities in obviously fake ways.

The fact that Peter Molyneux is involved all but guarantees this is a lot of hype and little content. But that's just his rep at this point.

Other than that, looks like fun.

 

[generalissimofurioso]

Personally, if that Milo thing does become a game, I can't wait to hear the stories about people trying to mentally scar a virtual child.

 

[Brother None]

Personally, if that Milo thing does become a game, I can't wait to hear the stories about people trying to mentally scar a virtual child.

Heh. Sims + a chat room simulator. Big deal.

Tho' good Frith I'm really starting to worry about Molyneux. Not only does it seem he's gone totally senile, he also has some major daddy issues. Poor guy.

 

[The Dutch Ghost]

Where did you read or see that BN?

As for Molyneux, he has been going nuts for a while now, hard to imagine him once having made games like Populous, Syndicate, and Magic Carpet.