Eden Project, where black people are banned.

[Vergil]

Yeah my bad. Still the rest of the point about scientific rigor stands. Try to see where I am coming from.

Changing something in the historic community, is extremly difficult which makes the process slow and painfull, but that has a reason.

I get what you're saying but the statistics and historical record all shows what he's saying is true.
The current president of South Africa was literally singing about shooting the Whites with machine guns during the anniversary of thr ANC and Mandela did the same asnwell back in the day.



Just a sidenote this is anecdotal shit so I know its not real proof but I have a White friend from South Africa and everything they've seen and went through matches up with Molyneux's portrayal of the situation and just combined with that and the president and his staff literally singing about genociding the Whites I have a hard time beliving people when thet say theres not a genocide of White South Africans going on.
Nothing I have ever seen draws me to any other conclusion than that one

 

[Crni Vuk]

Nothing I have ever seen draws me to any other conclusion than that one

How comes the western media isn't all over it by now? Like BBC, FoxNews, CNN you name it. It's literaly uknown.

 

[Vergil]

How comes the western media isn't all over it by now? LikeBBC,FoxNews, CNN you name it

Its almost like the mainstream media is useless garbage. We still learn that Nelson Mandela was a peaceful saint and he won a peace prize despite ordering bombing attacks on innocent White people, being seen on camera singing about pledging to do it and having a wife who enjoyed trapping people in tires, dousing them is gasoline and lighting them on fire.
Theres a lot of things the lying press doesnt talk about.

I wouldnt put my faith and trust in the western media to tell me everything I should think and decide what is important.

 

[Hassknecht]

How comes the western media isn't all over it by now? Like BBC, FoxNews, CNN you name it. It's literaly uknown.

Because nobody here gives a shit about South Africa and how everyone is racist over there?
Also, "Kill the Boer, kill the farmer" is not necessarily to be taken literally, people tend to view it as a struggle song sung against the ruling class, not as an actual call for white genocide.

 

[Vergil]

Also, "Kill the Boer, kill the farmer" is not necessarily to be taken literally, people tend to view it as a struggle song sung against the ruling class, not as an actual call for white genocide.

Ok so if Trump went on tv right now and sang "Lynch the niggers!" that'd be ok and not seen as a call the action against blacks?
There are literally people fucking killing the White boer farmers and you're not gonna sit here and tell me "lol the head of state singing about doing that doesnt mean anything ;^)"
Again, their national hero is a communist terrorist who also sang about killing the Whites whilst ordering bombers to do just that.

 

[Crni Vuk]

You mean like what Trump ACTUALLY said when he Suggests ‘Second Amendment People’ Could Act Against Hillary Clinton?
Yeah, that would be pretty bad. But I don't think anyone here said that kind of rhetoric be it Mandela or Trump is awesome.

Because nobody here gives a shit about South Africa and how everyone is racist over there?
Also, "Kill the Boer, kill the farmer" is not necessarily to be taken literally, people tend to view it as a struggle song sung against the ruling class, not as an actual call for white genocide.

Yeah, but if there was some REAL genocide going on, I am pretty sure that there would be SOME reliable information out there by now. Like some real articles, outside of the typical white supremacist ones, when I typed 'genocide South Africa' into google, ...

 

[Vergil]

Yeah, but if there was some REAL genocide going on, I am pretty sure that there would be a bit more information out there about it by now, like real articles when I looked for 'genocide South Africa', outside of the typical white supremacist 'ideas' ...

Oh well if the mainstream media doesnt tell you about it it must not exist. Doing research and thinking for myself is fucking icky I'd rather sit, listen and believe like a good noodle.

All mighty all knowing and all caring media overlords bless~

 

[Crni Vuk]

Dude, how am I supposed to do my 'own' research on this matter? Should I go down to South Africa in person talking to each and every individual farmer, serching for bodies? Then why are you so quick to believe the Clinton mails, have you not done your 'own' research, sipping trough all those 40 quadrillion mails? Com on ...
As everyone should know by now, I am not a friend of the mass-media. But there is a point where the resentment goes from 'critical' thinking, to unreasonable hate. Just because they don't mention it, doesn't mean it's not happening, alright. And I never said anything like that. I am just WONDERING(!) why it isn't mentioned, if there is an ACTUAL(!) genocide happening on white people in South Africa. Maybe the mass media is shit, but there is still some serious journalism going on there. Why should they not mention it? Because it isn't exciting enough? Like never ever? Not even once? I have my doubts about that.

 

[Hassknecht]

Ok so if Trump went on tv right now and sang "Lynch the niggers!" that'd be ok and not seen as a call the action against blacks?
There are literally people fucking killing the White boer farmers and you're not gonna sit here and tell me "lol the head of state singing about doing that doesnt mean anything ;^)"

Are there, though? Are they only killing white farmers or are they also killing black farmers (less so, but non-negligible)? Wouldn't that suggest the possibility that the murders are not racially motivated but by greed (hint: the numbers are in Molyneux' Gish-Gallop, too)? Land ownership still seems to be skewed towards white people, meaning that there are more proportionally more white farmers. Of course they'd be hit harder by attacks on farms (the severity of which seem to have increased, which has been linked to a decline in rural security due to the disbandment of the SADF Commando System).

 

[Vergil]

You mean like what Trump ACTUALLY said when he Suggests ‘Second Amendment People’ Could Act Against Hillary Clinton?
Yeah, that would be pretty bad. But I don't think anyone here said that kind of rhetoric be it Mandela or Trump is awesome.

You making assumptions about whag Trump said =/= EXPLICITLY saying "WE PLEDGE TO KILL THE WHITES" and "WE WILL SHOOT THE BOER WITH MACHINE GUNS"
Did you watch the fucking videos (lol who am i kidding? You never do.)

Dude, how am I supposed to do my 'own' research on this matter? Should I go down to South Africa in person talking to each and every individual farmer, serching for bodies?

You could literally just look up Mandela's crimes, the prejudice that Whites face and use common sense that the heads of state singing about how great it is to kill White people might be a fucking red flag and then use the 3% brain power it takes to put two and two together. What more do you fucking need? Do you really need CNN on your tv to say something about it before you consider it a problem?

Then why are you so quick to believe the Clinton mails, have you not done your 'own' research, sipping trough all those 40 quadrillion mails? Com on ...

Funny you mention that when your inseperable teet of information the media took forever to report on them and many are still doing damage control over them for the Clinton campaign.
Also yes I have directly seen stuff revealed in those emails.

As everyone should know by now, I am not a friend of the mass-media.

You sure seem to trust it a hell of a lot for someone thats not a friend.

But there is a point where the resentment goes from 'critical' thinking, to unreasonable hate.

Lol I have unreasonable hate because I dont like being lied to constantly by the media ok.

Just because they don't mention it, doesn't mean it's not happening, alright. And I never said anything like that.

Then why is your argument "lol why hasnt cnn or fox news talked about? Must be bullshit then"

I am just WONDERING(!) why it isn't mentioned, if there is an ACTUAL(!) genocide happening on white people in South Africa.

Why isnt there any coverage of the million other attrocities and tragedies that go unnoticed around the world?

Why should they not mention it? Because it isn't exciting enough? Like never ever? Not even once? I have my doubts about that.

Because its racist to criticize black people and it would ruin the narritive of "muh peaceful mandela he wuz a saint n shiet". Plus the idea of White westerners being in severe trouble and needing help isnt as "sexy" for bleeding heart limosine liberals in the West. In a world of "White privilege", "White guilt", and open racism against Whites being totally ok and even good is it such a shock no one gives a shit about them?

Are there, though?

Yes
http://www.genocidewatch.org/southafrica.html

 

[Hassknecht]

Yes
http://www.genocidewatch.org/southafrica.html

SA is considered by Genocide Watch at stage 5, polarisation. There is no actual genocide ongoing there (yet). It's at the same stage as India or Kosovo.

 

[Vergil]

SA is considered by Genocide Watch at stage 5, polarisation. There is no actual genocide ongoing there (yet). It's at the same stage as India or Kosovo.

So the numerous stories of White murders, entire families being slaughtered and the State itself pining for even more White death whilst being built by a man who did so himself just doesnt bother you at all?
Nah im sure this shit will just all blow over, no need to be worried. Those massive amounts of casualties and rapes dont matter you fucking irrational racists (hmm where have I heard that before)

 

[Hassknecht]

So the numerous stories of White murders, entire families being slaughtered and the State itself pining for even more White death whilst being built by a man who did so himself just doesnt bother you at all?
Nah im sure this shit will just all blow over, no need to be worried. Those massive amounts of casualties and rapes dont matter you fucking irrational racists (hmm where have I heard that before)

*sigh*
So now it's your turn to just ignore everything I say? C'mon, I didn't even bury my facts in 91 unnotated links.
Your own sources say that there's no white genocide in SA going on. Genocide Watch says it's in danger (slipping into stage 6 and back to 5 several times in 2012, actually), but not in progress.
Africa Check, a source randomly linked to in Molyneux' Gish-Gallop, says that there is no specific hunt for white people.
http://www.genocidewatch.org/southafrica.html
https://africacheck.org/reports/are-white-afrikaners-really-being-killed-like-flies/
I'm sorry if your own sources don't fit your headcanon. How about you find some sources that actually back your claims?

 

[Vergil]

Being White in South Africa sure looks grand.
http://www.frontpagemag.com/fpm/180781/gruesome-reality-racist-south-africa-arnold-ahlert
http://www.inquisitr.com/2746861/fa...s-row-as-government-continues-to-ignore-them/
http://freedomoutpost.com/is-genocide-of-south-africa-whites-spreading-to-united-states/
http://worldnews.nbcnews.com/_news/...t-toxic-apartheid-legacy-in-south-africa?lite

You've also yet to address Nelson Mandela being a terrorist who caused the death of many Whites and promoted killing them and simply tried to brush the current head of state saying the same as "lmao its not literal just because him and all the blacks were cheering to words promoting the slaughter of Whites literally means nothing ;^^^^^^^)"


Its amazing the amount of mental gymnastics people will do just to not have to admit that maybe White people have problems that deserve to addressed to instead of self suiciding to cater to everyone else as long as they're not White.

 

[Crni Vuk]

Vergil, seriously you're geting way to hostile here ... chill out man. We're just asking questions. First you want everyone to think 'critically', but when we do, it's not ok? Where did I said that I get ALL of my news from CNN or that this would be the ONLY reliable source. I was talking about ALL the popular media out there. It's simply my opinion, that if there is an actuall Genocide, an ETHNIC CLANSING going on, I am pretty sure that there would be more informations avilable, like in general. Articles making the head news are not the ONLY news out there, it's not like if you open a news paper that it has only one page. But I can't remember one single article, report or anything in our media that ever even MENTIONED a Genocide in South Africa. Not that we really get many news from there in general, but we do get sometimes something. I just have a hard time to believe that they would make news about the World Cup in South Africa, where they mentioned the hostility between white and black people in Johannesburg and the poverty and crime, but never ever care to mention an ONGOING Genocide on white people ...and if they (the Western media) really tried to cover that up, THIS definetly would have made the head lines for sure!

I also AGREE that white people in South Africa might be subject to issues and racial tensions, that some experience viollence and crimes.
But we are talking about an actuall Genocide here. Maybe the situation in South Africa might BECOME a Genocide at some point, who knows? I am not an expert on their domestic policy. It sure is worth to keep an eye on it.

 

[Vergil]

Vergil, seriously you're geting way to hostile here ... chill out man. We're just asking questions. First you want everyone to think 'critically', but when we do, it's not ok? Where did I said that I get ALL of my news from CNN or that this would be the ONLY reliable source. I was talking about ALL the popular media out there. It's simply that if there is an actuall Genocide, an ETHNIC CLANSING going on, I am pretty sure that there would be more informations avilable, like in general. Articles making the head news are not the ONLY news out there. But I can't remember one single article, report or anything in our media that ever even MENTIONED the possibility of it in South Africa. Not that we really get many news from there in general, but we do get sometimes something. I just have a hard time to believe that they would make news about the World Cup in South Africa, but never ever care to mention an ONGOING Genocide on white people ... if they really tried to cover that up, THIS definetly would have made the head lines for sure!

How many times do I have to explain that the media is complete garbage? Its IS talked about some here and there but considering Mandela is still seen as a revered Icon in the west its not surprising it isnt talked or cared about.

 

[Crni Vuk]

Right. Now you lost me.
The media are all the same. Fox News, CNN, NBC and they all have this uniform Bork-like mentality to miraculously never mention, even once, an ongoing genocide to please the terrorist Mandela. Gotcha.

 

[Hassknecht]

Oh, your far-right sources are of course totally trustworthy on this. Why didn't you post them earlier instead of the one source that doesn't agree with you? Did you actually read it or did you just skim it and thought "Eh, SA is on Genocide Watch, that must mean there's a genocide going on!"?
Yeah, Mandela could be considered a terrorist. No denial here. Wouldn't call him a communist, though.
Again, "Kill the buers, kill the farmers" is a song and a theme from the Apartheid era. Some people might take it literally, but it's not necessarily meant that way (although it is considered hate speech in SA). I mean, have you read the lyrics to some national anthems? Do you tremble when french footballers sing Le Marseillaise because you literally believe that your tainted blood will irrigate their furrows? Do you believe that italians are ready to die because their anthem says so?
Whites are in danger in SA. No denial there. Singing "Kill the buers" (even at memorials) is incredibly bad taste in times when there's actual racially motivated violence against whites. But a genocide? No.

 

[Vergil]

Right. Now you lost me.
The media are all the same. Fox News, CNN, NBC and they all have this uniform Bork-like mentality

Well when you follow the money their owners arent a very diverse group of people...

miraculously never mention, even once, an ongoing genocide to please the terrorist Mandela. Gotcha.

Theres nothing miraculous about them trying to maintain the same narritive they always have. Even before the end of Apartheid and when Mandela was doing this horrible shit he was portrayed as "le heroic black man fighting the ebul White man".
Nor is their continuing to put forth the same anti-White narratives they always do like with Zimmerman or Trayvon.
They're always pitting the always pitting the heroic and oppressed blacks against the ebvil White oppressors and the current situation in South Africa breaks that narrative

Yeah, Mandela could be considered a terrorist. No denial here. Wouldn't call him a communist, though.

*notices your lack of knowledge on the subject*
0w0 wats dis?

 

[Crni Vuk]

Yes, but we are talking about 10 thousands of people here, from reporters, to news ancors, writers, photographers, you name it. And we havn't even covered the freelancers working for them. And of course, they all fall in line with this one single uniform mentality of 'YOU DUN MENTION THE GENOCIDE IN SOUTH AFRICA OR ELSE!', it's probably also a part in every contract ever that you have to sign when working for Fox, CNN or any of the other big media companies out there ...
If you at least believed in the Cloud people ... that one's actually funny.