Emil sums up level scaling

[rcorporon]

Wait, you think Blizzard is secretive?

Sure, Blizzard announces games in their own time, but once announced they just toss everything out there.

Not really... What do we know about Starcraft II? We don't have full unit lists, how many missions, story elements, etc.

All we know is that they are using Zerg, Protoss and Humans, and we have some screenshots and a tiny bit of journalists who have played it.

Same goes for Diablo III. We have some screens and a tiny bit of the game being played, but no idea about classes, story, locations, etc.

And the WoW expansion, Lich King (sp?), still has next to no info about it at all.

I'd say that Blizzard is quite secretive.

 

[Jesuit]

No it's the other way around, you'll come back with the nuke launchers and they'll still be sucky level one bad guys. Of course, unless the game is horribly designed you'd have to actually want to break the game for that to happen.

Nope - the guy you are answering is talking about the main quest, which WILL be scaled.

-- That said, if you leave an area that's too difficult, and then return later, no you won't find that everything has increased in level, and it's now even tougher.

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For some reason I always thought this applied to all level scaling in the game? Anyone know otherwise?

 

[Brother None]

Thats not true, we know next to nothing about Diablo III and only slightly more than that about Starcraft 2.

I'm sorry, but Diablo III was announced with gameplay footage, designers talking about the visions, screenshots, new classes, etc. etc. It's also just been announced. Starcraft II's campaign is only one-third complete and you think it's right to think you should have a full unit list or storyline details? Please.

Your standards are wrong if you think that's secretive. Bethesda just made a 5-minute gameplay demo available a full year after they started showing their game to the press, at a point where the game is already done. Bethesda does not allow its developers to reveal anything that hasn't been given to the press before, when posting on forums.

Wrath of the Lich King? An infinity of screenshots, gameplay footage is out there, I already know all the details of the Death Knight since that's all been put out there, one can read up on all the details of Northrend since it's all been published.

Sorry, but if you think Blizzard is "secretive", you must not have been paying attention to the industry much. There is barely any company less secretive than Blizzard.

 

[rcorporon]

We'll just have to agree to disagree on this one Brother None.

 

[grapedog]

When they dumped Starcraft II and Diablo III on the gaming public, they by and large already had VERY playable builds of the game up and running, with screen-shots and videos...but not a single word got leaked beforehand.

Thats pretty secretive when you can keep Starcraft II and Diablo III under wraps...that long.

 

[Brother None]

When they dumped Starcraft II and Diablo III on the gaming public, they by and large already had VERY playable builds of the game up and running, with screen-shots and videos...but not a single word got leaked beforehand.

Thats pretty secretive when you can keep Starcraft II and Diablo III under wraps...that long.

You're putting the thing topsy-turvy. I think it's a very healthy attitude of a company to announce a game when they're ready for it, and agree with Bethesda when they say it's a bit of a shame that Fallout 3 got announced way before they were ready to announce it.

No one has any right to claim companies should announce games before they're ready. Blizzard feels they should announce games when they have something to show. A good attitude. Now instead of Diablo III being announced and no one knowing what it would look like, it's launched with a gameplay video so the fans can happily whine away.

 

[grapedog]

When they dumped Starcraft II and Diablo III on the gaming public, they by and large already had VERY playable builds of the game up and running, with screen-shots and videos...but not a single word got leaked beforehand.

Thats pretty secretive when you can keep Starcraft II and Diablo III under wraps...that long.

You're putting the thing topsy-turvy. I think it's a very healthy attitude of a company to announce a game when they're ready for it, and agree with Bethesda when they say it's a bit of a shame that Fallout 3 got announced way before they were ready to announce it.

No one has any right to claim companies should announce games before they're ready. Blizzard feels they should announce games when they have something to show. A good attitude. Now instead of Diablo III being announced and no one knowing what it would look like, it's launched with a gameplay video so the fans can happily whine away.

Don't get me wrong, I think Blizzard is doing it correctly...

But thats a seperate issue from being secretive though, at least to me. Blizzard has an information lockdown...which is impressive to say the least considering they were locking down two of the most sought after games on the market period. Thats impressive...

 

[Brother None]

But thats a seperate issue from being secretive though, at least to me. Blizzard has an information lockdown...which is impressive to say the least considering they were locking down two of the most sought after games on the market period. Thats impressive...

Oh, it was very impressive.

But it's a different topic. Being secretive up to announcement and being scant on information up to release are two very different things. Blizzard has the former, most of the rest of the industry abuses the latter for hype.

 

[Xenophile]

I think you are right.. they couldn't avoid it much since it was public knowledge that they bought the license. My major bone to pick is if you have enough to present to press, you have enough to put a quick gameplay video up.

They probably felt pressure to announce. Though there is precedence of companies that have purchased intellectual rights and not released info such as Ubisoft(which is Relic's new owner) buying the rights for Homeworld from sierra, presumably so relic can do a sequel.

 

[kyle]

They probably felt pressure to announce. Though there is precedence of companies that have purchased intellectual rights and not released info such as Ubisoft(which is Relic's new owner) buying the rights for Homeworld from sierra, presumably so relic can do a sequel.

oh these guys, they seem to be creating some precedences lately

 

[Brother None]

They probably felt pressure to announce.

Pressure? It was an obligation, requested by Interplay as part of the licensing deal.

 

[Briosafreak]

We'll just have to agree to disagree on this one Brother None.

Dude didn't you heard of the Paris Blizzard event with all those fans and all that info?...

What's there to disagree?...

 

[rcorporon]

We'll just have to agree to disagree on this one Brother None.

Dude didn't you heard of the Paris Blizzard event with all those fans and all that info?...

What's there to disagree?...

During the years of development of Diablo III and SC2, the fans of the game didn't hear anything. In fact, if asked about these games, Blizzard denied that they were even working on them.

That's secretive, IMHO.

That's all I really meant... if you disagree, that's cool.

 

[ookami]

people keep making the same STUPID jokes.

And Bethesda keeps making the same STUPID game. We're just working with what they give us.

 

[winterraptor]

But thats a seperate issue from being secretive though, at least to me. Blizzard has an information lockdown...which is impressive to say the least considering they were locking down two of the most sought after games on the market period. Thats impressive...

Being secretive up to announcement and being scant on information up to release are two very different things. Blizzard has the former, most of the rest of the industry abuses the latter for hype.

I liken the difference between Blizzard and Bethesda's release principles to the difference between a sneaky ninja clan and a communist propaganda department. On one hand you don't know until it's too late, and on the other YOU DON'T KNOW ANYTHING; WE KNOW ALL AND TRUST US IT'S THE BEST THING FOR YOU. EVERYONE LOVES TEDDY BEARS. HA. HA. HA.

so classic for this forum. some dude says something, and 30 other members are throwing rocks in his freakin' head! get a life!

So everyone 'rabid' here is part of some globulous hive-mind devoid of independent thought and emotion? We all get caught up in a mob mentality that forces us to a lower state of being where primal instincts take over and we trample innocents and gang up on anyone different? We're such villains as to be unworthy of consideration as 'living'?

Through what ethical principle or theory do you come to this conclusion? What would you propose to cure this moral malady: perhaps only one dissenting opinion should be made to a criticism of this forum's members, and the rest that feel equal dissent should swallow and repress their perceptions? Or maybe all that dissent can sign a single post representing all members of such a disposition.

I think I'll hold on to my rock, fine thank you. If not in an internet forum, where else will hard, fast truth such as a cold dead rock embodies fly unbound and unfettered from the social taboos and limitations? In fact, utterances of the unfairness of forum opinion contradict the very framework and foundation they're expressed upon: it likely couldn't be made in restricted mediums. Especially when containing debasements of its target.

Hey, maybe instead of throwing rocks...teddy bears?

 

[dopefish]

people keep making the same STUPID jokes.

And Bethesda keeps making the same STUPID game. We're just working with what they give us.

and can you please tell me in what way it influences your life or not? i don't really get it... what's it to you if fallout 3 will suck or not? are there not plenty of mods out there for fallout 1 and 2? right now there are 2 TOTAL REPLACEMENT MODS("mutants rising" and "between good and evil") that are being build, which are basically 2 new fallouts, so what's the fuss?

 

[Ad Astra]

and can you please tell me in what way it influences your life or not? i don't really get it... what's it to you if fallout 3 will suck or not? are there not plenty of mods out there for fallout 1 and 2? right now there are 2 TOTAL REPLACEMENT MODS("mutants rising" and "between good and evil") that are being build, which are basically 2 new fallouts, so what's the fuss?

Do you like Arrested Development? I love Arrested Development. I own all three seasons and I've watched each episode at least five times. There are rumors going around about an Arrested Development movie in the works. Now let's say that hypothetical movie turns out to be an action flick with little to no comedy and none of the sharp, witty writing of the television series. Put yourself in my position: how would you feel about that?

 

[ookami]

and can you please tell me in what way it influences your life or not?

Fallout is something I've enjoyed very very much for many years. I probably wouldn't be on NMA at all if it wasn't. When something you enjoy very very much for a long period of time is screwed up into something you don't enjoy, doesn't that affect your life? You do realize what forums you're posting on, right?

i don't really get it...

Clearly.

what's it to you if fallout 3 will suck or not?

So you don't have anything that you have any conviction about even though it might seem to be of little consequence to other people? Nothing whatsoever which would allow you to relate to this situation? And what's it to you if I care whether Fallout 3 will suck or not?

are there not plenty of mods out there for fallout 1 and 2?

There are, but just telling me to just go play Fallout 1 and 2 again (even with mods) is missing the point.