Enclave - inaccuracies

Inbreeding only happens in numbers less than three hundred, and if most of the people are related to another.

Its save to assume that the Enclave prepared for this possibility and made sure that their 'genetic' resources were are diverse as possible.
 
Yeah but after long period of time gene pool starts to be more and more degenerated. I`m not saying that they`d have problem 164 years after war, but after succesfull eradication of all wasteland mutants, 1000+ pure inhabitants of oil rig are degenerated in no time. But it didn`t happen of course :D

All I`m saying is that plane to clense mutants from wasteland is not wel thought.
 
There are more than just a thousand Enclave members you know.
Plus what about frozen 'genetic material'.

I do not mean it as an attack on your opinion but I get the feeling you seek to sneak in that the Enclave would recruit wastelanders in one way or another.

They really would not, even if it would hurt them in the end, everyone raised outside the Enclave' shelters is a 'dirty mutie', remember?
 
Dutch Ghost and Mistrz... you guys both seem to have missed that it's both confirmed that the Enclave DID recruit "locals" (not JUST the enslaved labor, like the Redding miners, full-fledged soldiers, too) and that inbreeding genetic deformities is largely a myth. You're basically talking about subjects that have BEEN debunked... like, RIGHT above where you started talking about them... in this same topic...
 
Mistrz said:
Yeah but after long period of time gene pool starts to be more and more degenerated.
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That's bullshit. The gene pool can't become degenerated by itself. Not more than it does in non inbreeding communities. Do you realize a molecule (which DNA is) needs an stimulus to change? UV can do it, it usually does, there are ways the DNA repairs itself, but yes, it does mutate over time. But it's not increased by inbreeding. The problem with inbreeding is you get a somewhat constant gene pool, not degenerated, but constant. If there is a recessive defective gene, you get an increased probability of it becoming expressed. Just that. If your gene pool is somewhat healthy, inbreeding has no defect over the usual circumstances. Going a little bit further, you are talking of retrofuturistic plot, with a Vault with REALLY advanced medical facilities like Vault City's one, which is able to make a cure for a new drug's addiction by designing it in a computer, I assume it's not hard to map and check the DNA of your potential citizens before accepting them. If you check there is no recessive defective genes, inbreeding is REALLY something you should not worry about.
 
Languorous_Maiar said:
you guys both seem to have missed that it's both confirmed that the Enclave DID recruit "locals"
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Isn't confirmed. Otherwise, proove.
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Why do you keep going on about needing proof/evidence? YOU PROVIDED IT YOURSELF!!! You cited it as an inaccuracy, but the fact of the matter is it was actually consistent, again because the Enclave (overall, but specifically their leadership) is a group of glaringly obvious hypocrites. Like I already pointed out, your failure to grasp the POINT of hypocrisy is stunning. Besides that, you ALREADY gave us proof that they recruit wasters. Read your own damn posts if you want proof..... yeesh.
 
First of all, don't feel so butt hurt man.

Second, if you make a claim like this you need to back it up with evidence; an example in the game where it is mentioned.

I played FO2 enough times to see no indication anywhere that the Enclave recruited wastelanders as full Enclave personnel/soldiers.
 
Ok. DNA itself is not get degenerated in most cases (I`ll get to it later) but inbreeding does make recesive traits mores prominent. About said degeneration of DNA, it`s happeing during our whole life. In most cases it`s not transmited to our children but when DNA in germinal cells is mutated it can and is happening. It`s not hard to believe that in radiated wasteland like Fallout`s mutations happen more frequently, but since it`s SIENCE! not sience i`m not bothered by it. :wink:
 
Mistrz said:
Ok. DNA itself is not get degenerated in most cases (I`ll get to it later) but inbreeding does make recesive traits mores prominent. About said degeneration of DNA, it`s happeing during our whole life. In most cases it`s not transmited to our children but when DNA in germinal cells is mutated it can and is happening. It`s not hard to believe that in radiated wasteland like Fallout`s mutations happen more frequently, but since it`s SIENCE! not sience i`m not bothered by it. :wink:
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Yes, inbreeding makes recesive traits more prominent, that's the whole problem with inbreeding, I already stated it. Reread my post, if you don't believe me, it's written. And I said you could map it and exclude the ones who have the recesive genes (of course, the mapping is needed because as recesive as they are, they don't get expressed if there is a single copy), they DO have the tech to do it in a practical way. About said degeneration, I already stated it too, I just said it's not different in non-inbreeding communities. Also, they are supposed to be protected from any radiation (they're isolated from the world for this sole cause, and consider mutants every single person who is not, and use PA which protects them, etc). They could also map the newborns DNA to check they've got no defective recesive genes, considering the natural mutations, but that would bring the debate of abort here too. And again, the mutated germinal cell can't be attributed to inbreeding, so inbreeding as a problem can be avoided in that fictional case, even in low population. In real world, it would not only be sort of nazi to let every person who has defective recesive genes to die, but it would be unpractical to map the genes of all the individuals.
 
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