Fallout 2 - NCR, New Reno or Vault City?

I really have no liking for any city except for Broken Hills.

There is something about that town that I really enjoy going to. Might have something to do with the aquabbling between the humans and the mutants, and this is a fairly deep storyline as far as Fallout 2 is concerned :roll:
 
I prefer Vault City. But if i really had to choose - i would have chosen Enclave. But if only four - its the VC. I think because of trial to be a other world in the wasteland.
 
Vault city was way too alienated from the rest of the world. Honestly, they should have been overrun by a combined force of New Reno & Raiders early on.

NCR is the nicest obviously, but I think its too optimistic. I think after Tandi dies, in subsuquent generations NCR's structure will slowly decay as more and more people of the wastes seek NCR's borders and limited resources. NCR would either collapse from within, or some autocracy which advocates slavery and earning citizenship (similar to roman empire) would emerge.

I like New Reno somewhat because its a "the strongest survive" atmosphere. Very relevant to the world they're now living in. Also, in the constant conflict of rival families, the people who will largely die are gangsters and wanna be gangsters. This vacume sucking in the undesirables of the waste make it easier for groups like NCR to absorb more level minded people, and ultimatly give civilization a greater chance to re-emerge. The worst thing would be if New Reno came under a single leadership, as it would turn its violence outward and become a very dangerous group for all of california :)
 
The first time I played, I actually had a joint power between NCR and New Reno. Don't ask me why, I was a small child. I enjoyed rigging Lynette with timed C4. But I do have to say I'm in most favor of the Broken Hills' society. Especially with all the murder and intrigue. I could become a detective. A detective who favors killing teammates in the caverns below Broken Hills. Caverns where no one will ever find them...
Ever...
And if they were found, the detective could blame it on mutants...But I choose NCR, I'm an idealist.
 
I like New Reno the best. Don't know why, it just appeals to me more than the rest. I think it's because of all the illegal things there. :twisted:
 
New Reno is definetly the best place to be.....drugs, boxing,
gambling, alcohol, porn studio, jet production, sierra army depot,
lotsa firepower, you name it... i really enjoy spending time in Reno,
especially after winning the boxing match.

VC is great for exploiting it....i usually get those 4 *free* perks (VC training, VC vaccine, Phoenix assault implants, Dermal assault implants), fix the Gecko power plant, load the V15 coordinates,
get some weapons fixed, get that module for the ability increase,
get lotsa stimpacs and books very cheap nad then take that Moore's briefcase to New Reno...then i leave them alone and forget about them....or at least i sometimes kill Lynette :twisted:

NCR is surely the most boring town in the game...bleh...
 
N'jok said:
New Reno is definetly the best place to be.....drugs, boxing,
gambling, alcohol, porn studio, jet production, sierra army depot,
lotsa firepower, you name it... i really enjoy spending time in Reno,
especially after winning the boxing match.

That is exactly why I hate Reno, lowlives, losers, dirty ladies, pimps and gang families who use me as an arrant boy.... I want to kill hem all. :evil: Perhaps I do so when I'm done with most of the quests in Reno, I'm all ready strong enough to do so without taking a scratch! Ok ok, I'll spare Bishops' wife and some chars who got my respect. 8)
 
my favourite place is The Den. i like hanging around the slaver's guild, getting money and lowering my stupidly high rep. but The Den isn't big enough to take over the fallout world.

i always went along with NCR. while New Reno are great customers and Vault City'll buy from me as well, and those goddamn rangers are self righteous pricks, i've always got along well with my brothers in the pen outside NCR. i think with my help we could wipe out all the rangers and make NCR the next Den.

my plan is to salvage a whole load of weapons and armor from the various Enclave places i've trashed, arm the entire Guild, ally with our brothers in NCR to take over NCR, use the resources in NCR to take over Vault City and then launch an all out attack on New Reno.
 
Wel well, what do we have here? Could it be a slaver? *Loads Bozar.*

I'll give you 5 secconds head start mister.. :twisted:
Oh, and when I'm done with cleansing Reno I'll wipe out The Den and every slaver with it. I will also blow Gecko's reactor if Vault City doesn't release it's slaves.
 
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ah, we'll retreat into the wilds with the mercs for a while. then when you're all dying out due to radiation poisoning from blowing a reactor and your town is falling apart seeing as you have no work force for repairs and no cheap source of human resources, there'll be a small force of half-feral slavers and mercs suddenly emerging from the wastes.
 
"ok boys, keep those Tommy Guns and Laser Pistols loaded and ready to go! turn Renesco upside down by his feet and make sure every gangster, slut and boxer get enough Stimpacs, Buffouts and Psychos. oh, and where the heck is Myron with his fresh supply of slaves on jet for the front line? ok people, move it, move it, move it!!! those NCR a**holes won't go easy on us since slavers took over the city. do your best and protect New Reno at all cost!"
 
Pardon me, if I'm mistaken, but as far as I remember, no submarines carry mainframes, Power Armors or it's schematics, neither laser or plasma rifles etc. It's NOT a boarding vessel it's a *submarine*. Next, how the hell did Hubologists park a space shuttle in fron of the Golden Gate bridge? And why does a 'peaceful' cult engage in filming pornographic material?

Third, it's *impossible* to manufacture a suit of T51b Powered Infantry Combat Armor post 2077. You would need access to a fresh TX fusion pack and undamaged HiFlo hydraulics system, polymers for the basic armor, silver for the laser and radiation deflection coating, air filtration, systolic motivator, and the list goes on... Even the Brotherhood of Steel, DIRECT descendants of US Military personnell, trained in the use of Power Armors, were unable to do it. The disassembled one you see in Lost Hills, level 3, is actually a damaged suit, which was marked as junk, and Rhombus refused to authorize the pearts needed for it's reassembly and repair.

Fourth, apart from the Enclave, the Brotherhood is on the highest technological level in the Wastes. Just talk to Matt, in San Francisco. Does he mention the Shi or Hubologists being technologically advanced? I don't think so.

Fifth, wouldn't the Chinese be slaughtered by the local population, in the wake of the War, which was sparked by Chinese invasion of Alaska?

Sixth, on what basis does New Reno actually exist? What does it produce useful? Why would people want to live in such a shithole?
New Reno is the single most unfitting location in Fallout 2. No eceonomical basis for it to exist, no realistical outlook. Nothing. Though the one think I like about is map design and atmosphere, but only when taken out of context.

Oh, and please remember, that patchwork is used here as in the word 'patchy'.

Fallout 2 is inconsistent. If San Fran is so *technologically advanced*, then why don't we hear about it anywhere in the Wastes, except for a small clue in Redding? Why aren't the Shi toting Power Armors and Laser Rifles, which are usually more effective than standard powder based weaponry?

Fallout on the other hand, was a jewel. buggy, but still a jewel. Relations between towns were presented in a realistic and believeable way. Each town had a history, a defined power structure and hierarchy, estabilished relations.

The Hub had water, and as it's name implies, it was a hub for all trade. Trade routes estabilished with Junktown, Necropolis, Adytum and Lost Hills. Adytum in return for their water and other necessities traded equipment, both manufactured and scavenged, from their own and bought raw materials (Miles explaining how he gets his chems for ammunition from Hub traders). Lost Hills traded technology for water and food. Junktown paid from scavenging and exchange with travellers. Shady Sands was in faar to mountainous an area to estebilish any profitable trade route, so both little do people down south knew about it, and little did the inhabitants of the village know about south (Aradesh, Tandi).

More will follow.

Peace.
 
MIkael is right on all counts. He neglects to mention the fact that places like New Reno and San Francisco don't fit the feel of Fallout.
Fallout was built around a retro-fifties look. But New Reno had the look and feel of a twenties or thirties mafia town. San Francisco felt like a really silly and cliched kung fu movie that was more or less tagged on at the end.
 
That also, Sander, but I was rather going with practical Fallout arguments against them, as I can't be an authority when it comes down to the Fallout feel. Logic and background however, is a different pair of brahmin heads.
 
N'jok said:
"ok boys, keep those Tommy Guns and Laser Pistols loaded and ready to go! turn Renesco upside down by his feet and make sure every gangster, slut and boxer get enough Stimpacs, Buffouts and Psychos. oh, and where the heck is Myron with his fresh supply of slaves on jet for the front line? ok people, move it, move it, move it!!! those NCR a**holes won't go easy on us since slavers took over the city. do your best and protect New Reno at all cost!"

......Reno fell after just 10 minutes of fighting.

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Unfortunly Myron escaped using a women as human shield. We will hunt him down.
 
I still wholeheartedly disagree. A nuclear submarine is no place to keep rifles and similar equipment, mostly due to the space, or rather lack of it, presence of sensitive equipment on board (it wasn't russian, so it wouldn't work if accidentlly shot) and the fact of having nuclear warheads on board. The only viable weapons on board would be officer's handguns and possibly shotguns for crowd control. And really, I don't think this kind of weaponry, especially without body armor, would let them stand much of a chance against well armed looters.

Next, all personnel on-board a nuclear submarine is military. Those who maintain and look over the reactor are military technicians NOT scientists. Scientists work in R&D departments, techies repair and run maintenance on the reactor.

Another point: Enclave is isolationist and VERY secretive - a tanker docking would propably catch attention, so either the inhabitants moved into the area later, or it's a bit of discontinuity.

Next, the image of "Poor fishing village" is kind of disturbed by HK G11 toting guards in leather, M72s and PPK12s lying around in stores and a 'Stel Palace' accesible just by walking down the street. And you *aren't interrupted* when you enter!

The Brotherhood of Steel is well informed. And they aren't that blind not to see a technologically advanced society brewng under their noses.

San Francisco is truly unfitting. It reminds me of Diabloeqsque villages, where you restock on healing, repair and resupply, then go into the dungeons to slaughter more. It's fun, but more of as a closed chapter, or a location in 2442, not 2242.

Station identity: After nearly 180 years, that is three generations on foreign soil, cut off from any source of their original culture, mixing with the local populace, there is just too much China around. They would loose their language, customs, children would more resemble Americans... no more that non-gritty-high-polish character models.

Oh, and we should remember, that canonically, the submarine is submerged in waters offshore. The reactor on a submarine is an integral part of it, and I doubt crewmen and repair techies would know how to crack open the sub, much less remove it form the inside.

Still not finished.

Peace, brothers.
 
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