Fallout 3: Bad to the Bone
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Let me see if I have this straight. They set it up so that your character will always be forgiven after a certain time. You can always go back? How exactly is that actually better design for a game series which is supposed to place major emphasis on choices and consequences and the permanence of much of those? That's a bit like saying that being exposed to Planck Temperature is leaps and bounds better than being exposed to Absolute Zero.Gentlemen said:
bonustime said:
Got that right. The original Fallout - over a decade old - remembered your actions all the way through. If you took a potshot at Rhombus' testicles with Gizmo's Mauser and made a run for it, you weren't getting back in that base. If you filled Iguana Bob's face with buckshot for selling 'Cajun Pork' to the ignorant masses, you had the entire Hub police farce... err, force... gunning for you. There were consequences for being a dweeby, gun-mad nutjob.
So, what Bethesda's gone and done *apparently* is allow you the opportunity to go into the Brotherhood of Steel's eastern HQ, gain their trust enough to see Owyn Lyons face to face, burn him to a crisp with a Flamer, run like you've got the Four Horsemen on your ass, wait for a loading screen, do an about face and head back in where you're greeted with nods and salutes, then chat up Sarah while you're pillaging the corpse of her kentucky-fried daddy dearest
If it's all true for the release version and they weren't just messing around with some half-baked demo of sorts... that, ladies and gents, is fucked up.
After hearing something which isn't a hype machine, I'm seriously considering doing a try-before-you-buy and renting the thing from my local vid-store. That'll be a first for me
Have to agree with Marat Sar concerning the psychic undertone of the interview, making things look worse then they are (especially the psychic music).
Anyways, this doesn't make those facts any better, still some dull system judging by their interpretation of bad reputation and it's consequences.
Anyways, this doesn't make those facts any better, still some dull system judging by their interpretation of bad reputation and it's consequences.
DocConrad
First time out of the vault
marko2te said:
Redemption in action! SAH-WEET!
Wazza said:bonustime said:
So, what Bethesda's gone and done *apparently* is allow you the opportunity to go into the Brotherhood of Steel's eastern HQ, gain their trust enough to see Owyn Lyons face to face, burn him to a crisp with a Flamer, run like you've got the Four Horsemen on your ass, wait for a loading screen, do an about face and head back in where you're greeted with nods and salutes, then chat up Sarah while you're pillaging the corpse of her kentucky-fried daddy dearest
I have to think that there is more to it than that.
I think that the Ed Gain wannabe who wrote that article, is probably a bit touched in the head. I think the guy who wrote the article tried to play the raging maniac angle a little too much and went awry. I sincerely hope that they don't equate playing a "bad guy" to playing a LOTR Orc. Its one of the reasons why I could never play evil in KOTOR and KOTOR 2, because they made the Sith a bunch of juvenile delinquents with a bad temper. I can only hope that there will be the option of playing a character as "truly evil" which means to me someone who simply has no empathy for fellow humans. Basically like the original Enclave was. To themselves they weren't bad, even the President had views that to him were good. But they simply had no empathy for the rest of the world and treated them like cattle.
I could see the redemption thing working for something like a pickpocket or thief. That's one thing I hate about the original, I could get caught stealing in a city, and even if I ran away without hurting anyone, I was public enemy #1 for the rest of the game for these people. I could deal with a "redemption" system where people remember wrongs that you have done and give you a second chance. Or stay really cautious around you, and/or have you repay the items you've stolen with interest.
But one where you off half the town, and come back like nothing happened is pretty ludicrous to me. There's a huge difference between forgiveness and the brain-dead stupidity of letting a murderer walk in your midsts. Especially one that has already killed people in your town. If these people acted like that they never would have survived to found a city in the first place. Lets hope that is something they fix before the game comes out.
Raider 1: "Hey lets go pick up some guns and ammo in Megaton"
Raider 2: "Are you sure? We hit them last week they won't be too happy with us"
Raider 1:"Nah, its been more than 24 hours, its all water under the bridge."
Raider 2:"Sweet!"
I'm still cautiously optimistic...but after this I'm a lot more cautious. Might have to test rent first as Wazza said.
This was a poor video... I was kinda creeped out by the fat guy who wants to live out his darkest fantasies which included blowing people up and putting there heads in various locations.
I enjoyed the Good Karma video... this basically just told us all we could shoot and kill people to be bad... GENIUS!
I enjoyed the Good Karma video... this basically just told us all we could shoot and kill people to be bad... GENIUS!
Ausir said:
I certainly hope not, but at the same time I hope he's not all shining happy smiles when you come back in after attempting to create Owyn Flambe.
Okay, will admit it was probably the worst example to use to get my thoughts across. Fair call Ausir. Let me try this again...
So let's say hypothetically that you're at zero Karma when your character enters Megaton, has a browse around town, picks up the bomb quest and you decide to render it inert which provides a decent boost towards you being a good guy. Now let's say that you do a schizophrenic back-flip and go on a killing spree like the IGN fat-cat did, and the amount of damage you do doesn't drop your Karma into negatives. Would there still be an ending of "Megaton grows and prospers after a fine saviour of humanity defuses the town's namesake, turning it into a mere curiosity" once you get the rolling snapshots of your exploits upon completion of the main quest?
Has this and other like scenarios been taken into account? I have my doubts.
Has this game been playtested by *gamers* and not just *developers*? Scuttlebutt says no.
Will this game go gold as an already broken product, to be fixed by endless patching which seems to be the norm nowadays? Seems to be the unfortunate case...
Well, we've got a month to wait and find out. Us Aussies will be waiting to see input from you USA players that'll be getting the game a good week or so before us. Let us know gang.
Moester said:
This "one creepy fat guy" is the lead designer.
And you guys are inching too much towards personal attacks on developers. Quit it before I have to start splitting posts.
Brother None said:
I deleted the post. You are right, that was completely uncalled for.
I must say that I found it disturbing that he's the lead designer. But I've just watched the video again, and there's something off about it. It's almost like the designers were asked some leading questions and were trying to awnser as best as they could, but since they're not exactly PR guys, they came out wrong.
I think that what we're seeing is the result of seeing snippets of an interview pieced together to have a theme...but without context. After watching it more closely its clear that what Emil was talking about was taken after he had already begun and without hearing the question asked. He seems (after my original outrage has passed) to be responding directly to the question of the reporter rather than simply talking about his preferred gaming experience.
I was unimpressed with the IGN article which I thought was written from a munchkin's perspective, and I let that article colour my interpretation of the video.
I feel pretty stupid about insulting someone I don't know, and withdraw me previous comment.
I...don't get the joke.
Well it seemed funny when I wrote it, but basically Beth seeing that they messed up the whole thing so bad that they make an 'expansion' that you have to pay for, but selling it as a 'retro' thing rather than a fix...So it'd be some sort of special add-on rather than simply the way it should be in the first place...
Well it seemed funny...
Well it seemed funny...
beverageleverage
It Wandered In From the Wastes
Oh, so Ed "Gain" is actually Emil? Well, then it must be IGN's interview process, yeah that's what it was. He wasn't acting genuinely creepy like you said earlier, that's just IGN and its spin.Moester said:
Talk about waffling, and all because you figured out who he was.
