Eyenixon said:
Well Eyenixon, that is indeed one of my worries, that Brian Fargo may take Bethesda's example and do the same with Wasteland.
But on the moment Wasteland is the best and perhaps only hope for a Post Nuclear Apocalypse RPG.
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Well Eyenixon, that is indeed one of my worries, that Brian Fargo may take Bethesda's example and do the same with Wasteland.
But on the moment Wasteland is the best and perhaps only hope for a Post Nuclear Apocalypse RPG.
squeehunter
First time out of the vault
I don't have a problem with the red thing. I was playing Fallout earlier today and I grabbed something out of someone's house with them there and it didn't bother them at all but then in other places in the game they'll attack you if you do. It's a little annoying to not have a consistent reaction to your actions.
Neverwinter27
First time out of the vault
So far im liking the gameplay, and the atmosphere from watching all of the demo. There is alot of detail in the environments up close, and the draw distance is impressive. I would never enjoy this type of immersion if I had to play it on isometric view, this perspective is perfect for me. The wrist pipboy is a very acceptable alternative to the interface on FO 1 and 2. Combat is now realtime which I also prefer and I can also see myself using vats plenty of times throughout the game if I don't feel like aiming. Im looking forward to the dialogue portion of this game too.
Yeah, im not a strict fan to the franchise, but other than that I will have to see what the final product will be for great justice.
Yeah, im not a strict fan to the franchise, but other than that I will have to see what the final product will be for great justice.
nyibelunger
First time out of the vault
tazo said:
You care? seriously, how exactly do you (fans) care? There are plenty mods but no one even care enough to post a single comment when some "mod news" occur. You blame Bethesda for removing elementary Fallout features so be a hardcore fan, join some modteam and show how you care.
nyibelunger said:
Modding is now the criterion for caring about a game? Are there any statistics showing the percentage of modders among fans of game franchises so we can see who care the most?
nyibelunger said:
This is such an old bullshit argument. You don't need to be a modder to show you care, that's not some kind of requisite of being a fan, and our mods get plenty of downloads and attention, the modding forum is quite active with comments.
How do they care? Well, they're here, aren't they? If they didn't care about Fallout, they wouldn't be visiting NMA. Period.
nyibelunger
First time out of the vault
No it isn't bullshit argument, see most people here hate Beth so much that they are not capable of constructive thinking (beth= devils spawns/ BiS=gods). I understand that many people don't like changes F3 will have, but what i don't understand is why nobody (figuratively) showing attention to big mods like resurrection or BGE (im not sure how mutant rising is popular). They will be at least as big as F1...nobody cares, there´ll be same perk and level system...nobody cares, even dialog will be hopefully same...still nobody cares
tell me where is difference between F3 and those mods (which will have everything F3 wont)?
ad mod forum
yes, forum is quite active, BUT there are only few people who actually do the work (and i admire them, because amount of work they did is almost insane).
ad modding as criterion..
No of course it isn't only one criterion, but modding change you from "talker" to "doer". Instead of talking whats wrong i can do it better (not metioning that there will be much better mood).
ad statistics showing the percentage of modders among fans
almost every team is looking for new blood (some even died because lack of interest)...there is 14367 registered fans, lets assume that only 10% visit NMA regularly...Do you still need statistics to prove that majority of people just talk (what is wrong and they would do different)?
tell me where is difference between F3 and those mods (which will have everything F3 wont)?
ad mod forum
yes, forum is quite active, BUT there are only few people who actually do the work (and i admire them, because amount of work they did is almost insane).
ad modding as criterion..
No of course it isn't only one criterion, but modding change you from "talker" to "doer". Instead of talking whats wrong i can do it better (not metioning that there will be much better mood).
ad statistics showing the percentage of modders among fans
almost every team is looking for new blood (some even died because lack of interest)...there is 14367 registered fans, lets assume that only 10% visit NMA regularly...Do you still need statistics to prove that majority of people just talk (what is wrong and they would do different)?
Edmond Dantès
It Wandered In From the Wastes
nyibelunger said:
Face it, the world is like 99% 'talkers' with everything, there is no single gaming community were an actual large part of the people that play a game can/will/want to add any contribution in some constructive way. Democracy only works because there's such a hell of lot of people who just talk and even more who just shut up and listen. People who game, lots. People who game and talk on forums about it, some. People who game, talk and are in the modding stuff, depending on how easy it is to mod, pretty much always hardly any.
And just because people have gripes with a game doesn't mean they're all supposed to rise up in arms like an angry wave of patriots defending their pride, use all of their free time to learn coding, creating graphics and whatnot. It's a nice principle to 'do' instead of 'speak', but there's merit to talking as well. People often make quite valid points and even though there's this tiny, one-in-a-million chance that it'll actually have effect in the end, at least it was there.
And hell, the entire modding community might run out of ideas after a while if there wasn't this huge forest of people sprawling with ideas and speaking about them on forums like these. And then there are the people who actually keep a community and forum like this running. Without this there wouldn't even be an easy option to talk about the game. Heck, if you want to keep a forum up and running without it being clogged up by spam, idiots, trolls, fools, whatever, you've got a pretty much full time job on your hands. I've done it with smaller forums and there already it was a huge task of getting done well.
Though the old saying goes that speaking is silver and silence is gold, silver ain't worthless either. So just because entire forum communities aren't up in rage and learning code and art doesn't mean they aren't allowed to care.
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TorontoReign
Guest
nyibelunger said:
Some people just don't give a fuck about mods. Just because you and I may like them doesn't mean that every gamer HAS to acknowledge them. Lots of people on this site DO like them though,so I guess you just don't know what the hell your talking about. Lots of people here might hate Bethesda.I find myself hating them then liking them from time to time. Your argument about joining a modteam to show that you care is just ignorant. How can you even say such bullshit without noticing that it makes no fucking sense? People can bitch and rant about whatever the fuck they want because thats what the whole point of freedom is. By the way,where did being a "Hardcore" fan and joining a mod team merge together? Did I miss the fucking memo on that one?I could be a "hardcore" fan of Star Wars ,but I don't run around dressed up in a fucking Princess Leia Slave Bikini to prove it.
nyibelunger
First time out of the vault
TorontRayne:
You misinterpeted me (also i must admit my english isnt good so i might write something wrong), i m not so naive to think that everyone who likes the game should (have to) join modteam just to prove it. I just expresed my surprise that although there are games which can be considered as "true sequel" people still notice beths game only because there is 3 in the name
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Btw callm down boy, im not your friend to talk with me like that.
Edmond Dantès:
I agree with most things you wrote. Point is that even talkers might be very usefull but on the modding forums, i just cant se sense in constant nowhere leading pseudocritique (yes, there is also good critique i like, but rare) i read here.
black
sorry, dont know what "bs" is.
You misinterpeted me (also i must admit my english isnt good so i might write something wrong), i m not so naive to think that everyone who likes the game should (have to) join modteam just to prove it. I just expresed my surprise that although there are games which can be considered as "true sequel" people still notice beths game only because there is 3 in the name
.Btw callm down boy, im not your friend to talk with me like that.
Edmond Dantès:
I agree with most things you wrote. Point is that even talkers might be very usefull but on the modding forums, i just cant se sense in constant nowhere leading pseudocritique (yes, there is also good critique i like, but rare) i read here.
black
sorry, dont know what "bs" is.
I want to mention that Bethesda hardcoded many vital combat and world creation components of Oblivion making them virtually inaccessible for TES4 modding enthusiasts.
I also want to remind you that currently it seems very likely that no Fallout 3 SDK will ever be released to the public. At this point all discussion of Fallout 3 modding is purely speculative and any serious planning of future F3 mods may as well turn out to be completely groundless and impossible to implement.
I also want to remind you that currently it seems very likely that no Fallout 3 SDK will ever be released to the public. At this point all discussion of Fallout 3 modding is purely speculative and any serious planning of future F3 mods may as well turn out to be completely groundless and impossible to implement.
nyibelunger said:
Thinking that mods can get done by throwing more people at them makes you ignorant. Attributing the fact that people don't spend a lot of their free time modding Fallout to some kind of spiteful laziness makes you an ignorant asshole. Meditate on this.
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TorontoReign
Guest
nyibelunger said:TorontRayne:
You misinterpeted me (also i must admit my english isnt good so i might write something wrong), i m not so naive to think that everyone who likes the game should (have to) join modteam just to prove it. I just expresed my surprise that although there are games which can be considered as "true sequel" people still notice beths game only because there is 3 in the name
Btw callm down boy, im not your friend to talk with me like that.
I'm not your "boy" asshole. The way you expressed yourself made it look as if true fans must join mod teams if they are displeased or they are not "hardcore".Yes your English is bad, and you may have expressed yourself wrong.Write more clearly next time,or don't be a ignorant dick.Pick one.
Imperial Guard
First time out of the vault
Neverwinter27 said:
Laying it on a bit thick there, don't cha think
but I'll wager that they don't pay you to innovate PR policy. amiritealmost robotic recitation of lines
Imperial Guard
First time out of the vault
nyibelunger said:
Why don't you leave this site and run crying elsewhere. You admit yourself; you don't belong here; this is a fansite for Fallout. Do you have too much free time?
Maybe, you're being paid . . ? (A joke, I kid, I kid)
Because we're fans of Fallout, and this is a fan site about Fallout. Should be pretty self-explanatory, I think.Neverwinter27 said:
Now I know that as for you on the other hand, you do work for Bethesda. But either way it doesn't matter to me. It can just be our little secret
But you're right, it is a chore putting up with the latest drivel spewed forth by Beth's lapdogs. Perhaps certain people should treat us with a little respect and sanity instead of going all emo insecure on us if they don't want to be laughed at for the clowns that they are
Don't double post and don't troll.
Ratty said:
Ratty said:
Ratty said:
Haha
Eyenixon said:
Hmm.. Good point. Might as well set my expectations low now.
For what it's worth, Fargo has stated that he wouldn't approach Wasteland 2 the same way as The Bard's Tale, and that it would probably be darker than Fallout 3. Whether this intention remains if and when he gets around to announce the game is another matter.