Well, if he worked on Galaxies, they may be courting him to work on a MMORPG. There have been rumours about Bethesda developing a MMORPG.
And that Raph guy reminds of Derek Smart.
And that Raph guy reminds of Derek Smart.
Fallout 3 mentioned by Pete Hines
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Thanks for the update, Corith.
Let's hope it is not true, indeed
Let's hope it is not true, indeed
Just for good measure:
Raph Kosters website
And a quote:
I work at Sony Online Entertainment as creative creative officer
What the hell is a creative creative officer? Like an SS officer who plays a mean guitar?
Raph Kosters website
And a quote:
I work at Sony Online Entertainment as creative creative officer
What the hell is a creative creative officer? Like an SS officer who plays a mean guitar?
Kan-Kerai
Still Mildly Glowing
For fuck's sake, Raph Koster managed to screw up a Star Wars MMO- a feat that nearly everyone (myself included) considered impossible! That's MAJOR talent right there.
Just imagine how badly he would mutilate any other halfway-respectable intellectual property. Raph and Feargus would be great together, they're both extremely proficient at the art of the SLAM DUMP!!
Can we say skill synergy bonus?
Summary: This had better not be true. If it is, Bethesda deserves everything (and everyone) hurled their way.
PS:
Just imagine how badly he would mutilate any other halfway-respectable intellectual property. Raph and Feargus would be great together, they're both extremely proficient at the art of the SLAM DUMP!!
Can we say skill synergy bonus?
Summary: This had better not be true. If it is, Bethesda deserves everything (and everyone) hurled their way.
PS:
Quoted for emphasis.Roshambo said:
Josan
Look, Ma! Two Heads!
I just went to his site. I read a few things.
He is stupid and I hate him.
I feel my brains running out of my nose and this is the best post I can come up with.
He is stupid and I hate him.
I feel my brains running out of my nose and this is the best post I can come up with.
Ugh.
This dude looks like a mechagodzilla version of the idiot that runs the "game workshop" at one of the universities I attend.
Arrogant, self-centered beyond measure. Not to mention "being seen throwing breadcrumbs at helicopters"-grade stupid.
Let's hope he gets hit by a freight train.
This dude looks like a mechagodzilla version of the idiot that runs the "game workshop" at one of the universities I attend.
Arrogant, self-centered beyond measure. Not to mention "being seen throwing breadcrumbs at helicopters"-grade stupid.
Let's hope he gets hit by a freight train.
The first E3 after SWG came out, I and several other Interplay developers met Raph. We talked and I got the chance to ask him about some of the design choices for he made for Galaxies.
I came away thinking he was dumb as a fence post and twice as arrogant. He thought his customer base were nothing more than marching morons, and that his own ideas were the greatest that could ever be. He openly admitted he disliked science fiction in general and that his only experience to Star Wars was being forced to watch the movies.
I could spend days listing all the game design mistakes Raph made with SWG, but the best can be summed up in 2 words - Bone Armor.
Let us all hope this is all a rumor, because he will surely destroy Fallout 3 just as he destroyed SWG if it isn't.
I came away thinking he was dumb as a fence post and twice as arrogant. He thought his customer base were nothing more than marching morons, and that his own ideas were the greatest that could ever be. He openly admitted he disliked science fiction in general and that his only experience to Star Wars was being forced to watch the movies.
I could spend days listing all the game design mistakes Raph made with SWG, but the best can be summed up in 2 words - Bone Armor.
Let us all hope this is all a rumor, because he will surely destroy Fallout 3 just as he destroyed SWG if it isn't.
Smoke_Jaguar
Look, Ma! Two Heads!
Jumping Titus Andronicus!
well if you guys are so smart how come Interplay doesn't exist anymore?
well if you guys are so smart how come Interplay doesn't exist anymore?
Because we (except Corith, right?) never worked at Interplay, that's why. Sheesh, what a moronic question.Smoke_Jaguar said:
Sander said:
I think his question was aimed at Corith, as Corith mentioned himself and some Interplay devs.
To answer the question, though; because of bad management.
Smoke_Jaguar said:
Well, if you've been living under a rock, poor management over the years is the main culprit, as well as Herve Caen.
Then in retrospect, I'm inclined to think many of the earlier problems were not of Fargo's doing, but rather Feargus', as he was the one in charge of "the RPG division that was later named BIS so BIS should get credit for making Fallout", which was responsible for Descent to Undermountain, a game far shittier than anything BioWare could be blamed for. It was full of dishonest marketing, crappy design, poor management, and is generally everything we could expect from Feargus or perhaps DW Bradley, if there weren't some actual creative people with a clue who mistakenly think he's a good manager The same cut-corners sloppiness found in all of his games (except for those he's remarkably absent from, so they don't become shitty SLAM DUMP!S). So I can understand, if not agree with, his idea to be a mindless toadie for BioWare.
This is the problem in the game industry. There are absolute idiots in charge who only care about money, so whatever creativity might have been displayed is choked off by a design-by-numbers approach.
Smoke_Jaguar said:
That is a very fair question.
Interplay was not run like typical corporations. Despite having shares of stock publicly traded, it was run like a sole proprietorship with Herve Caen as the Sole Owner. As the CEO and CFO, there was nobody able to countermand his orders.
Despite a brilliant and very talented development staff, Herve made several choices that doomed the company to insolvency.
Perhaps his very first mistake was in failing recognizing the growing popularity of Massive Multiplayer Online Role Playing Games. Interplay was offered the chance to dig its fingers into Dark Age of Camelot and later City of Heroes. Herve turned both down because he felt that nobody in their right mind would pay an additional monthly fee after plunking down $60 for the main game client.
His second big mistake was in shifting from Interplay's core brand of RPGs for the PC to console games. Branding, in and of itself is of marginal importance, but when combined with all the mistakes Herve made, help to doom interplay.
Despite a working demo of Fallout 3, a big fan request for many years, Herve let nearly the entire staff of Black Isle go, with little to no warning. Those developers took their ideas and creative talent to other development studios.
Herve's habit of making and then breaking deals resulted in several lawsuits that helped to slowly drain Interplay's cash reserves.
Perhaps the final nail in Interplay's coffin was when Herve elected to create 2 identical console titles with only marginal graphical differences and held one back over the xmas season of 03 until the second was finished. As a result, Interplay had no new products on store shelves for the busy holiday season. When both games did hit store shelves, the sales for these two titles were slightly more than a single title. By April, Interplay did not have the income to meet its financial obligations and no development staff to produce future titles.
It is utterly the fault Herve Caen's arrogance, shortsightness, and lack of buisness savy that sank Interplay.
And so he, and his seed, will forever be cursed.
UniversalWolf
eaten by a grue.
Has it occurred to anyone else that there may be some people posting in this thread who are not honest individuals, but rather - how shall I describe it? - interested AGENTS of a certain organization that frequently finds itself maligned on this board? I hesitate to suggest the existence of a conspiracy, since it's pretty unlikely (it would take an extremely vile, shameless personality to concoct such an evil plan), nor will I go so far as to accuse anyone by name, since actually participating in such a plot would be so dishonorable that the innocent might be unfairly damaged by mere allegations.
On the other hand I have my suspicions that a HYPOTHETICAL organization might be uncomfortable with having shelled out a ton of cash for a brand name, then realizing that internet searches for that brand name point to a message board where the same hypothetical organization (and it's upcoming product bearing the newly purchased brand-name) is routinely, mercilessly, savagely mocked and criticized. An hypothetical organization of that sort would probably be even more uncomfortable knowing that the passionate cynicism was justified...
One tactic such an organization MIGHT employ would be to send AGENTS to the message board POSING as free individuals to express opinions favorable of the hypothetical organization, in order to give the appearance - the illusion, you might say - that the anger and pessimism among fans of the brand name was less than unanimous, and less than righteous. These hypothetical AGENTS would probably pop-up all of a sudden and immediately start praising the benevolence of the organization.
But let me stop being coy: the Hubologists have purchased Cheesy Poofs, and intend on marketing deep-fried molerat-rinds (which are neither cheesy nor poofy) to the rim-meat masses while retaining the Cheesy Poofs brand. AND they're discontinuing the REAL Cheesy Poofs! The Hubologists don't even care about Cheesy Poofs! They never cared! Wake up, people!
I want to be wrong about this. I really do.
On the other hand I have my suspicions that a HYPOTHETICAL organization might be uncomfortable with having shelled out a ton of cash for a brand name, then realizing that internet searches for that brand name point to a message board where the same hypothetical organization (and it's upcoming product bearing the newly purchased brand-name) is routinely, mercilessly, savagely mocked and criticized. An hypothetical organization of that sort would probably be even more uncomfortable knowing that the passionate cynicism was justified...
One tactic such an organization MIGHT employ would be to send AGENTS to the message board POSING as free individuals to express opinions favorable of the hypothetical organization, in order to give the appearance - the illusion, you might say - that the anger and pessimism among fans of the brand name was less than unanimous, and less than righteous. These hypothetical AGENTS would probably pop-up all of a sudden and immediately start praising the benevolence of the organization.
But let me stop being coy: the Hubologists have purchased Cheesy Poofs, and intend on marketing deep-fried molerat-rinds (which are neither cheesy nor poofy) to the rim-meat masses while retaining the Cheesy Poofs brand. AND they're discontinuing the REAL Cheesy Poofs! The Hubologists don't even care about Cheesy Poofs! They never cared! Wake up, people!
I want to be wrong about this. I really do.
Hmmm...all I'm willing to publicly disclose for now is that MicroForté and someone at Interplay (not Chris Taylor) did this on these forums for Fallout Tactics.
Archives forums, around the announce date, back when we were using a different forum system so the formating might look a tad funky.
I loved the promises of "think JA2 but set in the Fallout universe". They turned out to be wrong on both accounts.
Archives forums, around the announce date, back when we were using a different forum system so the formating might look a tad funky.
I loved the promises of "think JA2 but set in the Fallout universe". They turned out to be wrong on both accounts.
I'm not sure what this has to do with the topic on hand, UniversalWolf.
Yes, things like that do happen, as Rosh pointed out. But it's pretty rare for a number of reasons, mostly because for the company it means investing an amount of time (which is money) and usually getting very little to nothing in return.
In any case I don't care. Someone who comes in here to defend Beth can do so on a payroll or because he feels we're not justified in our criticism. It's irrelevant which one is true, because he'll have to defend his viewpoint with valid arguments. If they're valid, then they'll be valid whether or not he's paid to make those arguments. If he makes stupid arguments...well...people who do that don't always last long here.
Also, searching for Fallout points to the main website, not the forum. the forum really only represents a small part of the people that flow through NMA day in day out, and we try to keep the tone of our newsposting more towards the center.
Because, quite frankly, though I wouldn't buy Oblivion on what I've heard about it so far and though Bethesda's PR-speak is getting on everyone's nerves, there's actually nothing to judge Fallout 3 by, so far.
Yes, things like that do happen, as Rosh pointed out. But it's pretty rare for a number of reasons, mostly because for the company it means investing an amount of time (which is money) and usually getting very little to nothing in return.
In any case I don't care. Someone who comes in here to defend Beth can do so on a payroll or because he feels we're not justified in our criticism. It's irrelevant which one is true, because he'll have to defend his viewpoint with valid arguments. If they're valid, then they'll be valid whether or not he's paid to make those arguments. If he makes stupid arguments...well...people who do that don't always last long here.
Also, searching for Fallout points to the main website, not the forum. the forum really only represents a small part of the people that flow through NMA day in day out, and we try to keep the tone of our newsposting more towards the center.
Because, quite frankly, though I wouldn't buy Oblivion on what I've heard about it so far and though Bethesda's PR-speak is getting on everyone's nerves, there's actually nothing to judge Fallout 3 by, so far.
UniversalWolf
eaten by a grue.
I think it's relavent to the topic because it was a few posts to this specific thread that made me, to a limited extent, suspicious. I don't claim to have any special insight into the minds of individual posters, but I have read and do read a large number of different boards, and it's pretty easy to see consistent patterns in them. By chance I happened to visit NMA a few days ago for the first time in a long time, so I got to read this thread from start to finish in one go instead of seeing it emerge a little at a time over the course of weeks, and something just seems -off- to me.
I'm trying to figure out why a person with a minute post-count (which I admit I also have, but then I know the reason for my own low post count: I don't post very often) would suddenly appear on the board and start defending a company (and not just defending, but in some cases praising toadishly) and an unknown product, while at the same time displaying an odd level of ignorance concerning the history of that product. Ignorance or contrariness is probably the answer, I admit, but if it were ME, and I didn't know much about FO, and I saw the rancor here, I'd be more inclined to listen silently to the discussion, or ask what the deal is. If fact I've seen several new posters take just that sort of reasonable approach. It's hard for me to imagine the mindset of some one reading this thread and thinking, "Hey, I'd better chime in and tell everyone Bethesda is the best!"
Again, I'm certainly not accusing anyone of anything; I'm just saying that certain things I see give me pause. This is another point of relevence because it cooncerns PR generally, FO PR specifically, and the reactions people have to it.
I do agree with you that the forum is only a small part of the whole site. I had visited this site many times in the past, and yesterday was the first time I really gave much attention to the forum. I'm not sure, though, how much it would actually cost to send people to post on a forum surrepticiously. I've seen game companies with unofficial volunteers handling Q&A on boards before, so...I just don't know.
In the name of adding some content more directly specific to the topic at hand, I'll tell you what my opinion of Bethesda's FO PR is: I don't think Bethesda has any obligation to mollify the old FO fanbase, but not doing shows they lack integrity and vision. No matter what they actually intend FO3 to be, their press statements have been abyssmal - vacuous and condescending - and have only aggravated an already tense situation.
Still want to be wrong.
I'm trying to figure out why a person with a minute post-count (which I admit I also have, but then I know the reason for my own low post count: I don't post very often) would suddenly appear on the board and start defending a company (and not just defending, but in some cases praising toadishly) and an unknown product, while at the same time displaying an odd level of ignorance concerning the history of that product. Ignorance or contrariness is probably the answer, I admit, but if it were ME, and I didn't know much about FO, and I saw the rancor here, I'd be more inclined to listen silently to the discussion, or ask what the deal is. If fact I've seen several new posters take just that sort of reasonable approach. It's hard for me to imagine the mindset of some one reading this thread and thinking, "Hey, I'd better chime in and tell everyone Bethesda is the best!"
Again, I'm certainly not accusing anyone of anything; I'm just saying that certain things I see give me pause. This is another point of relevence because it cooncerns PR generally, FO PR specifically, and the reactions people have to it.
I do agree with you that the forum is only a small part of the whole site. I had visited this site many times in the past, and yesterday was the first time I really gave much attention to the forum. I'm not sure, though, how much it would actually cost to send people to post on a forum surrepticiously. I've seen game companies with unofficial volunteers handling Q&A on boards before, so...I just don't know.
In the name of adding some content more directly specific to the topic at hand, I'll tell you what my opinion of Bethesda's FO PR is: I don't think Bethesda has any obligation to mollify the old FO fanbase, but not doing shows they lack integrity and vision. No matter what they actually intend FO3 to be, their press statements have been abyssmal - vacuous and condescending - and have only aggravated an already tense situation.
Still want to be wrong.
I suspect some of the traffic through NMA of late is down to people linking to the forums from TES forums when they're calling us on our opinions of Oblivion. It is possible that a couple of Bethesda fan boy's have made it onto the site, who will defend Bethesda to the end while at the same time having complete ignorance for the subject of this site and the source material which Bethesda currently holds the rights to. To those people it doesn't really matter whether Fallout 3 is a true successor to the original Fallout, only that they get another 'Bethesda' game out of it, i.e. Oblivion with guns.
I'm sure you realize how strong the urge is to sign up and reply to something if you feel what is being said is inaccurate or unjust, but at the same time you should stay yourself and perhaps make sure you understand the argument and prepare a decent response before bustling in with a load of ill-formed crap. [Not directed at you btw, I'm talking in general
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I'm sure you realize how strong the urge is to sign up and reply to something if you feel what is being said is inaccurate or unjust, but at the same time you should stay yourself and perhaps make sure you understand the argument and prepare a decent response before bustling in with a load of ill-formed crap. [Not directed at you btw, I'm talking in general
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What mortiz says is true, UniversalWolf...
There are a lot of Bethesda fans who just want Oblivion with guns because Oblivion is the type of game they enjoy. They don't see that a) we and a lot of other people don't enjoy that and b) there's little point to buying the license to a classic game series just to turn it into a futuristic version of your own game series.
They register here and defend the game fervently because they really do want Bethesda to just do what they want with the license, though, especially if they butt-rape it into Oblivious form. It'd make them happy.
There are a lot of Bethesda fans who just want Oblivion with guns because Oblivion is the type of game they enjoy. They don't see that a) we and a lot of other people don't enjoy that and b) there's little point to buying the license to a classic game series just to turn it into a futuristic version of your own game series.
They register here and defend the game fervently because they really do want Bethesda to just do what they want with the license, though, especially if they butt-rape it into Oblivious form. It'd make them happy.