Fallout 3 topic banned from Bethesda.

Heh, I bet Odin's PM box is overflowing now.

Well, at least DAC and NMA will inspire a healthy competition for news that will make it quicker.

I hope :D
 
PsychoSniper said:
Heh, I bet Odin's PM box is overflowing now.
That's what you get for being slow.

What i'm really hoping for now is the *unhealthy* competition when a "Bethesda fan" oriented FO3 site pops up.
 
I'm only trying to say that the Bethesda developers are fans, just like us. We've always been vocal about what we want from a Fallout game, so how could they not be aware? How could they not take Fallout:PoS as a dire warning to anyone straying from the formula?

No one fan has a monopoly on what all the fans want. If you're a mature RPG player (as the Bethesda folks no doubt are), and you loved Fallout, you know what made it great. They know what made it great.
 
Quinn said:
I'm only trying to say that the Bethesda developers are fans, just like us. We've always been vocal about what we want from a Fallout game, so how could they not be aware? How could they not take Fallout:PoS as a dire warning to anyone straying from the formula?

That's like saying Chucky would have surely been aware of Fallout Tactics and what happened there.

The most amusing thing is, someone DID try to use your brand of shit "logic" then, and look where it turned up. What we're doing is trying to give the Bethesda developers an idea of what the design is and how we feel the game could be improved.

Also, it appears you're a kid. *sigh* I hate this clueless arrogance in youth. Keep on truckin' with your belief that you have no right to say what you wish and we shouldn't be mean to the mighty Bethesda developers. That would be oh, so wrong!

No one fan has a monopoly on what all the fans want. If you're a mature RPG player (as the Bethesda folks no doubt are), and you loved Fallout, you know what made it great. They know what made it great.

Now it's getting pathetic. Just drop it. We've also heard claims that Chuck and Co. were great Fallout fans, played the games, etc. Just because they claim to be a fan, that doesn't mean that they know what made the game good, what the design is, etc. After all, BIS had some people that worked on Fallout, and look at what a shitfest Fo2 almost turned out to be with inane easter eggs and overall much poorer design aside from some technical aspects (and then there's the wonderful Kernel32.cll errors). How the hell does your empty logic reason that? Simple. It doesn't, because you have nothing to go by aside from "They are great! They know everything and blah, blah, blah." Go polish HayT's ass, since he feels like he needs a little loving and you seem so willing to do it.

Having been on a number of Fallout message boards since the game came out, I think most of us have a pretty damn good idea of what is and what isn't wanted, and what makes up the game. Probably more than a developer who likes said game, but has probably been busy with concerns involving their own title and IPs moreso than Fallout. They've been drooling at it for five years. That's nice. I've been here at NMA for about 6, around Fallout since 1997. We've also been talking to Fallout devs since then, regularly, and probably a lot more than most Bethesda developers have since Fallout was released.

So, I would advise you to drop this straw man argument and fanboying of yours unless you want it burnt down.
 
Quinn, I advise you listen to Rosh.

While he might be overtly rude to noobs who piss him off, he is extremly knowledgble and articulate, and can casue some massive anal destruction to shit fanboy posts.
 
While it's just imposible that game could please everyone it would be better to make game that gonna please fans instead of developers. Developers job it to make perfect game for the fans, not themselfs afterall.
 
Quinn said:
I'm only trying to say that the Bethesda developers are fans, just like us.
I'd say that was dumb logic, if it could be classified as logic at all. Every developer that Inherits a license says they're fans. What would you expect?
"Yeah, we're not really fans, I played it once, i liked that dog, i think dogs are really a central part of the game."
 
Roshambo said:
Also, it appears you're a kid. *sigh* I hate this clueless arrogance in youth. Keep on truckin' with your belief that you have no right to say what you wish and we shouldn't be mean to the mighty Bethesda developers. That would be oh, so wrong!

Whaaa? Kid in what sense? I was playing Wasteland in high school on my AppleII. I suppose it's possible that you're older than me, and maybe even that you have more experience with the post-apocalyptic genre, but I doubt it.

In any case, I'm not saying we should keep our mouths shut, and I'm sure Bethesda wants constructive criticism. That said, they knew what they were getting themselves into when they chose to acquire the license. They know Fallout fans are the most rabid of any game. They must have known how they'd be roasted here at NMA and other fan sites.

So, whatever. Let them deal with it.

Roshambo said:
So, I would advise you to drop this straw man argument and fanboying of yours unless you want it burnt down.

Of whom am I a fanboy? I only played Morrowind until the novelty of shiny water died off.

If anything, I'm a fanboy for the post-apocalyptic genre. In that genre, there are two (and only two) classic computer games: Wasteland and the original Fallout. Wasteland will almost certainly be remade-- by its original authors!

Maybe that's why I'm not as passionate with regards to the rag doll damaged goods whore that is the Fallout license. I know there's much, much more to PA than just Fallout, and I know there are better places to look for it: namely, inXile.
 
Quinn said:
Whaaa? Kid in what sense? I was playing Wasteland in high school on my AppleII. I suppose it's possible that you're older than me, and maybe even that you have more experience with the post-apocalyptic genre, but I doubt it.

I was also with Napoleon at Waterloo! What?

Just like how that claim is hard to support, so is yours as you have given zero evidence otherwise.

Aside from the rather amusing point that I undoubtedly have more understanding of game development and I also happen to have been around the setting far more than most of the developers you mention, what do YOU think? I've already pointed out the facts, but you decided to ignore them.

In any case, I'm not saying we should keep our mouths shut, and I'm sure Bethesda wants constructive criticism. That said, they knew what they were getting themselves into when they chose to acquire the license. They know Fallout fans are the most rabid of any game. They must have known how they'd be roasted here at NMA and other fan sites.

Relevance to Adherence to Design: 0%

We're still wondering where you have any basis for your crackheaded assumption that Bethesda knows the material because they are either great developers or because TES sold a few units. Where does you illogic stem from?

We only know when they prove that they do. To insist that they do without proof is quite misplaced, as we've been down this route before. Aside from the initial SNAFU of an interview being garbled, nothing has really pointed contrary to it or for it. That still doesn't mean that people can't voice why they don't want to see the game turned into some mass-marketed crap, as long as they do so intelligently.

You still have failed to provide any reason why we should entertain your drivel, as your initial post would be quite laughable by anyone with a sense of design. The only way for Bethesda to prove that they do know the material is to prove it themselves, if they chose to. That's their decision, but it wouldn't earn much trust.

Instead of the more humane route that has since failed (pulling your head from your ass), and I do apologise to other people on this forum who have had to deal with the failed results of that wish, I have a much better solution that requires fewer muscles since uncorking your head from your buttocks is too much of a strain for you.

Just clench and end it all, boy.

Maybe that's why I'm not as passionate with regards to the rag doll damaged goods whore that is the Fallout license. I know there's much, much more to PA than just Fallout, and I know there are better places to look for it: namely, inXile.

Now that's funny. Fargo's already raped himself a little more Bard's "Tale" to the point where many of the old-timers don't like it. But that's okay, he's not making it for them. He's making it for the Lowest Common Denominator. Please, give us more uneducated drivel, we enjoy the humor. Or rather, don't, and save yourself some credibility. Your manner of posting flamebiat isn't exactly too welcome.

Of whom am I a fanboy? I only played Morrowind until the novelty of shiny water died off.

Hey, you were the one who posted unfounded claims about Bethesda's understanding. That's YOUR fault, idiot, not mine.
 
Quinn said:
They know Fallout fans are the most rabid of any game. They must have known how they'd be roasted here at NMA and other fan sites.
Yet a certain developer couldn't deal with it apparently and broke down after what, half a week?

If anything, I'm a fanboy for the post-apocalyptic genre. In that genre, there are two (and only two) classic computer games: Wasteland and the original Fallout.
I still love BurnTime.

Wasteland will almost certainly be remade-- by its original authors!
inXile appears to be all about Bard's Tale right now. They got a funny website though. Gimmickish. :)
 
Claw said:
inXile appears to be all about Bard's Tale right now. They got a funny website though. Gimmickish. :)

That is NOT Bard's Tale, that's some FOPOS looking crap in a fantasy setting and using the BT name :evil:
 
Darque said:
That is NOT Bard's Tale, that's some FOPOS looking crap in a fantasy setting and using the BT name :evil:
:oops:

I couldn't say. The only Bard's Tale I ever had was the Bard's Tale Construction Kit which scarred me for life.
I think some Bard's Tale came with it.. I did have certain trouble playing it though, I can't recall ever playing it to the end.
 
At one point, you could download all the BT games off Apple's public FTP site :) They even had emulators there to go with the disk images :)

Not sure if they still have it up though. :?
 
Quinn said:
That said, [Bethesda] -knew- what they were getting themselves into when they chose to acquire the license. [Bethesda -knows-] Fallout fans are the most rabid of any game.

...

[Bethesda -knows-]
what made [Fallout] great.

right, you're saying Bethesda is totally ontop of things, when there aren't any external signs of that so far. are you Bethesda, then? how do you have this inside scoop?

you've been talking alot of words, but why don't you try showing some factual basis for them? you've got this great knowledge that'd relieve every wary Fallout fan, so instead of dodging and ignoring where apparent holes in your reasoning're pointed out, go on and let tell all of us your basis for -knowing- Bethesda'll do right by Fallout 3. you've got the power, man. be a hero.
 
Burntime was a great game, although the difficulty was insane.
It even already had the option of followers producing stuff for you.

It was more of strategy game though.

Sad that Max Design never got the attention it deserved. It made some of the best strategy and eco-sim games I've seen (Motor City and 1869 were plain awesome).
 
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