Fallout 5 to be the next Bethesda game after TESVI

The_Citzen said:
After The Outer Worlds I'm not so sure if I'm excited for it anymore
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Walpknut said:
The Outer Worlds was fine.
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I never played it, because I'm not into 1s person shooters.
But we need to remember that Obsidian was almost facing bankruptcy (once again) and the Outer Worlds had to be rushed. Also, I think someone mentioned that Obsidian's leadership was always sticking their nose where it didn't belong and changing stuff in all their games that would make them worse.

I think that under Microsoft, Obsidian can start making less rushed games and with luck, the leadership won't force the devs to change stuff to make a worse game than what was planned.

Although, if they are first-person, they have to be pretty good RPGs (instead of just shooters) for me to be even minimally interested in them.
 
Walpknut said:
Why are you debating me on a game you didn't play?
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I'm not debating you or The_Citizen, I didn't say anything about if the game was good or bad. Neither have I said any of you were wrong or right. I'm just reminding people that the Outer Worlds development was rushed and meddled with by people who shouldn't meddle in game development.

Basically, The_Citizen says they didn't like the Outer Worlds so future games by Obsidian do not excite them and you say that it's not as bad as people say.
I threw that reminder, so people who didn't like the Outer Worlds can have some hope that future games can be better, and so that people who like it can go "even with those problems it was a good/decent game, imagine what games Obsidian would make without those." ;)
 
I don't even get why people here so casually talk about the Outer Worlds as if it was this huge flop that got blasted by critics when it just had a fine reception and it's getting a sequel. So Bizarre how this just became "the known fact" over here lol
 
Walpknut said:
I don't even get why people here so casually talk about the Outer Worlds as if it was this huge flop that got blasted by critics when it just had a fine reception and it's getting a sequel. So Bizarre how this just became "the known fact" over here lol
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I think the problem was that they were expecting "Fallout in space", made with a similar budget as to what Bethesda has available for their games.

What people never think about is that Obsidian always had a low budget for making games and never had much money, to begin with, it was always at the edge of bankruptcy. The leadership of Obsidian always sucked, and always managed stuff pretty badly (and if we believe the "rumours", they are pretty corrupt too). Of course, their first roleplaying, shooter, first-person game made in a new IP wouldn't be as "good" as the hype had painted it.

I think that them saying it was a flop and not liking the game, is because their expectations were incredibly high. Too high to be honest. I bet if the game had just come out without much hype, these people would have liked it way more.
Hype is a double-bladed sword, makes people want to buy and play games, but it also makes people not like games as much, because no game is ever as good as the expectations raised by the hype.
 
Walpknut said:
I don't even get why people here so casually talk about the Outer Worlds as if it was this huge flop that got blasted by critics when it just had a fine reception and it's getting a sequel. So Bizarre how this just became "the known fact" over here lol
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The same reason I don't get why you act like games like Fallout are not being made when they are but you don't buy them because of your weeb and FPS RPG fetish.

Why is Toront hassling Walpknut? Over the years this dude cried about Bethesda and their fans more than any person here (especially around Fallout 4 and 76 time) but he is their biggest supporter I guess as long as it is not Fallout.

For instance I wager he has still not played UnderRail or Atom or a dozen other good RPG's but he bought Outer Worlds because that is his style of game which is basically for retards. I love you though.
 
TorontoReign said:
The same reason I don't get why you act like games like Fallout are not being made when they are but you don't buy them because of your weeb and FPS RPG fetish.

Why is Toront hassling Walpknut? Over the years this dude cried about Bethesda and their fans more than any person here (especially around Fallout 4 and 76 time) but he is their biggest supporter I guess as long as it is not Fallout.

For instance I wager he has still not played UnderRail or Atom or a dozen other good RPG's but he bought Outer Worlds because that is his style of game which is basically for retards. I love you though.
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What? Aren't you mistaken me with someone else? I never even played 76, and I just said in another thread that I liked Fallout 4 as a looter shooter. If you want to know my favourite Fallout and also my favourite game of all time is Fallout 2.

Also, yes I never played Atom and Underrail although they are still on my backlog. They never really picked up my interest all that much. I still have a huge list of crpgs to play and those aren't really on top of it, I'm a bit more interested in playing the rest of the Shadowrun games first or Tyranny after I finnaly finished Disco Elysium (now that I got a pc that can handle it...).

I did try Wasteland 3 because it was on the gamepass when I had it, but didn't liked it all that much, just played the intro and it felt much more like Xcom than Fallout...
 
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I can't be a Bethesda fanboy if I don't even have time to play any games these days.

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The Dutch Ghost said:
With the next Fallout game taking so long, most likely seven to eight years, you would think that Todd's superiors would put another team on a project. Either a new mainline title or another spin off.
Todd can claim that is in Bethesda's DNA or something to handle the Fallout franchise themselves, but they don't have the time for it and since Bethesda has taken over the franchise FNV is still the title that has been best received by the majority of fans.
In this case I think Microsoft should get involved as this is an IP now (unfortunately) that helps sell Xbox consoles.

Of course I am not looking forwards to another Fallout game with 'Bethesda's DNA' as we have already seen what that has led to. Even FNV had to include some of it.

I am still struggling with letting Fallout go but I also have that problem with Star Trek. Both have been big sources of influence in my life. Through Star Trek (and Star Wars to a lesser degree) I discovered my love for science fiction, and with Fallout my interest in post-apocalypse and Western RPGs.
I really became invested in these IP's and their setting & lore, wanting to make stories set in these universe and come up with ideas I feel are as good as these two as I want to be a creator of worlds and stories myself.
Having to watch both go into decline because new people got to work with these IPs but want to reimagine it in their own vision, in both cases believing that these IPs rely on recurring parts and elements as well as tropes, was very difficult.
Then also finding out that a lot of people like these changes and think it makes these IPs better is even more frustrating as this audience previously did not care about these IP's at all.

I know companies are only about making profit but I feel that by mangling a creative IP with bad sequels or reboots that they are killing it's spirit.
I am definitelly a proponent that there should be a limit on how long something can be trademarked. F'you Disney for wanting to extend copyrights indefinitely.



I am not going to judge you on that, nor am I going to say that you finally 'saw the light' when you started to experience that the Bethesda games were not as good as you initially thought them to be.
My main frustration with Bethesda fans has been that some of them can be incredible a-holes to people who do not share their opinion, like it is some kind of religion.
I also feel that they are part of a group that thinks that all change in franchises are good, yet they could never bother with playing the original games because they found these boring looking and slow. So how is change in this case good. Because it finally appeals to 'your taste'?
We old Fallout fans are considered arrogant for wanting Fallout to be the way we like it. Well, the new audience is not any better.



I noticed the changes that happened to both games and series/movies around the mid 2000s. There was this weird period in which I went from in general being enthusiastic for new entries in favorite IPs to becoming very cautious and skeptical when a new entry was announced, especially when it was handled by a new producer or director. Addition; even producers and directors who did work on these IPs for years could screw up because they felt that big changes were needed.
Because at some point I realized these newcomers were not all fans of these IPs, or felt that these IPs needed to be 'fixed', or that they depended on several recurring elements and ideas that need to return in every new entry, there being little room for new ideas and concept that could take away from this well established/fan favorite parts.
And often like with Bethesda and Fallout the people working on these IPs did not understand the lore or really reduced parts such as people, groups to a set stereotype. (BOS are heroric defenders of the wasteland, Super Mutants are human eating orcs, Ghouls are zombies)

And this was before we reached the current period we are in that popular IPs are platforms for 'the message', being handled by people who often dislike everything the IP was about or think that they should 'fix' it so it fits their ideology.


Bethesda makes games for a certain audience and they will not stray from the design philosophy they are handling until it becomes unprofitable.
That they still can get away with game breaking bugs that could be a financial disaster for any other publisher and studio shows the contradictic mindset of the audience.
Or expecting fans to fix the flaws Bethesda could not be bothered with because these people now claim that these bugs are 'features'.
Bethesda has basically taught these people to eat shit and smile about it, and defend Bethesda from anyone who calls the company on the half finished products it publishes.

I think winning a lottery, doing well at stocks all of a sudden, or Bethesda making a Fallout game I think is good both gameplay and content wise are now all impossibilities.
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I've only gotten into this franchise about 9 months ago and wasn't a direct victim of all Bethesda's Fallout related missteps over the years, so you may see me as some naive optimist. But I believe that Bethesda certainly can't ignore the massive flop that was Fallout 76, all of the warm nostalgia towards FNV, how Fallout 4 is becoming more scrutinized as the years pass and the growing, (but nowhere comparable to the newer games) amount of people trying and becoming fans of 1&2. Anyway, not saying that Bethesda will make anything good for Fallout 5, but it will be definitely be interesting seeing how they will respond to the current state of the franchise.
 
NotZak said:
But I believe that Bethesda certainly can't ignore the massive flop that was Fallout 76
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They can and they have. They knew they could just milk whatever playerbase they would end up having even if the game sold like crap.

NotZak said:
all of the warm nostalgia towards FNV
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Bethesda doesn't care for that except when it's a game made by them.

NotZak said:
how Fallout 4 is becoming more scrutinized as the years pass and the growing
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Bethesda doesn't really care if their games get shat on unless it hurts their bottom line (the only exception being 76 because they could just milk the whales in that game due to its online nature).
 
Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if Fallout 5 gets a release date in the late 20's.
Considering they've already officially announced Elder Scrolls 6, I'm half expecting them to release that in 2-3 years with Fallout 5 getting a further 2-3 years.
Yeah, their development cycle is far longer than most companies, but I think most of us can agree that even a 8 year cycle between F4 and Starfield is a bit excesses.

On the subject of Fallout 5, I've gotten over my hate boner for F4, I'd probably play it, bitch about it for a few weeks then enjoy it.
I can't really hate on Bethesda anymore, I don't think their games are great, but they scratch an itch.
I still have New Vegas, and I'm glad to have that, but for me, it's time to move on from Fallout and just start enjoying things.
Life's too short my dudes and no hooker wants to hear you cry about a game.
 
Norzan said:
Bethesda doesn't care for that except when it's a game made by them
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CD Projekt Red produced their own game. So why was Cyberpunk such a fuckup ? Baldur's gate 3 has been put back till next year so if that full release goes well, Larian will get kudos. Vampire the Masquerade Bloodlines 2 seems another fuckup. The original was buggy but playable but Troika had no blame for that. As always I blame the money men. What games in the last few say 10 years been perfect at release. I'm not saying non were, I just mean most need the usual updates to iron out problems. ZeniMax owned Bethesda, Microsoft ate them up yum yum. Its all a case of dog eat dog. Everything just bloats up from un optimised games to the fat cats at the top of the pile.
 
2026 for Fallout 5. It just came to me. Probably wrong. But who cares? I don't. This has been a post. BEEEEEEPPPPP.
 
The Doom series has flourished under Bethesda precisely because they acquired Id Software and then largely let them do their own thing. Sure wish they did that with Black Isle instead of having a legal fight over the Fallout IP just to turn it into what it is now.

I don't expect Fallout 5 to be much different from 76 and 4. Starfield had some cool looking stuff in the trailer and I'm happy it's going to dunk on the scam that is Star Citizen by actually doing what Star Citizen set out to do...but I don't have faith that the story will be any good since Emil P is apparently lead designer and lead writer. I could cross my fingers and hope that "lead writer" basically means "rubber stamp what all the other writers do and make sure it conforms with the general story direction" but I don't know shit about Bethesda's internal structure so I don't know for sure.

You guys want to check out a classic Fallout-style RPG, try Death Trash:
 
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