Fallout: New Vegas previews

Porn was, at best, questionable in the setting. On the other hand, having strip bars and prostitutes makes sense for the setting and makes the setting more believable (explicit sex isn't needed for this). As for the killable children, the point isn't wanting to be able to kill children, the point is that unkillable NPCs are garbage and have a detrimental effect to the believability of the game or, as Bethesda likes to say, it kills immersion. If you're going to throw in kids then they should be killable and if you want to dissuade the player from killing them then having bounties put on your head and being hated is fine (the former is good whereas the latter is more metagamey). In a Fallout-like setting, children are going to be mistreated and abused as much as any other weaker person and if you want to send a message about brutality, it's a strong messenger.
 
I'm glad there are previews coming so you guys can finally do something, I mean geez you've been slacking off and getting all fat and stuff these last few months. :P

On the note of news posts, I wonder if Per will be reprising his role as "newsposting reviews until the community members throw up" guy.
 
The problem is, is that not everyone is as fine with being able to act in pornography or kill kids in a video game as some of you are. Why would you add in something that, frankly, isn't too necessary to the game, just to please a small minority of the game audience, while it may alienate thousands of potential buyers? This isn't including some government restrictions on these sorts of things. Australia, much?
 
The problem is, is that not everyone is as fine with being able to blow up towns or kill people for no reason. Why would you add in something that, frankly, isn't too necessary to the game, just to please a small minority of the game audience, while it may alienate thousands of potential buyers?
 
Starwars said:
On the note of news posts, I wonder if Per will be reprising his role as "newsposting reviews until the community members throw up" guy.
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I hope not. 100+ threads of news roundups are just too much, if 90% of 'em are like a plain copy from each other anyway.
 
Brother None said:
The problem is, is that not everyone is as fine with being able to blow up towns or kill people for no reason. Why would you add in something that, frankly, isn't too necessary to the game, just to please a small minority of the game audience, while it may alienate thousands of potential buyers?
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You guys on NMA really knows how to zing people.

Well, didn't Japan remove the possibility of blowing up the town, though? And killing people for no reason isn't even taboo any more. It's a great world we live in.
 
Brother None said:
The problem is, is that not everyone is as fine with being able to blow up towns or kill people for no reason. Why would you add in something that, frankly, isn't too necessary to the game, just to please a small minority of the game audience, while it may alienate thousands of potential buyers?
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Yeah, they should totally go BioWare and make it impossible to attack non-hostile NPCs.
 
KristofferAG said:
You guys on NMA really knows how to zing people.
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Lots of practice.

But I don't even disagree in principle and really don't see why some of these things keep coming up in debates. No modern-day AAA game or even smaller game will have child-killing, it's ratings and thus commercial suicide.

Porn is more of a debate but also a nice hot-button topic for the press. If Mass Effect's tame softcore scenes can raise a fuzz, what do you think working as a fluffer will do? Meh. Not worth it.
 
The problem with child killing is twofold: immershun-breaking (immortal characters [that forget about your trying to kill them] FTW!) on the one hand and destroys the myriad of possibilities that could open/close for killing children in general or specific kids in particular on the other hand. I would rather there be no kids at all.

I don't know for "porn" but hookers, pimps, "bathhouses", whorehouses, and selling-yourself-for-whatever should be running rampant in such a world. Not in EVERY town of course, you must check what kind of establishment (if any) would appear in such and such part of the gameworld. Prostitution has been running around since the start of times, was there in earnest in the wild west (what NV seems to be aiming for), is certainly all around today, and would be certainly rampant in a post-apoc world, specially once settlements reach small town-size and beyond.

As for sex as a whole it can affect your experience, from the basic "get a discount" all the way to screwing the wife of local Joe and igniting a bloodshed/trial/whatever, skimming through unwanted pregnancies (do you kill her and 'solve' the 'problem'? abortion? go on with it? ha, maybe too much for a simple game, but it may be a useful sexual education campaign) and through being too dull and ruining quest possibilities with that bar owner that's been trying to seduce you.

I think FO3 had barely a few hookers here, that's stupid, and then the unkillable characters and all the gameworld changes that are not there as a consequence... I mean it is SO STUPID, it's a "M for mature" game, so what the fuck are we talking about? What's wrong with those peoples? Hello! It's computer character! Are you ther McFly?? It the same as killing that old lady witha baseball bat!! Just a computer character!! Is it less wicked to machine-gun that woman in the throat?? Computer-created and animated graphic assets! blowing an entire town with a nuke! (And all the kids that live therin!) That's ok, then? Hello, are you there??!!!
 
I'd really prefer it if they removed kids altogether instead of making them invincible. Though I guess it's fine because there will be a mod making you able to kill them in a matter of days after release, if it's not too different to mod than Fallout 3.

If you can use Fallout 3 mods in New Vegas then the problem is instantly solved.
 
The problem is, is that you don't seem to realize what you are talking about. Killing and explosions are part of the Fallout franchise, and part of most video game targeted to mainstream audience. I was pointing out that the developer has to balance the things that make the game better (or more immersive, whatever is being said), and the things that are controversial. Unfortunately, when games put to much focus into what the developers think goes good with the game, mistakes get made, and the mainstream gets pissed off. No developer wants their game to get panned by critics and the commercial audience, just because they want a few extras in the game. I am saying that for Fallout, sex and kid killing aren't necessary. Sure, they might add on to the series, but unlike violence and explosions, they just aren't necessary.

Oh, one more thing. There is a difference between watching a nuclear explosion from a while away, and watching a child's head blow away from a combat shotgun. The latter will never happen, EVER, in a mainstream game. That is just the way it is, and unfortunately damn near every single good game released nowadays is mainstream.
 
The gaming industry is so wildly different from the days of FO1 and FO2. watching a few pixels show a kid dying is different than seeing somewhat (I know....) realistic depictions. As video games become more and more mainstream and popular, the changing audience has to be accounted for. Violence is so deeply ingrained in video games, it will probably stay forever. But a video game like Fallout does not require sex and violence to excel. That just pisses off more people than it pleases.

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And indeed, now I remember.
 
Technically, you could have sex with Nova in Megaton. By sex, I refer to stuff that can be offensive to a large group of people. Like GTA, with strip clubs and hookers. Not something telling you you had sex, or some suggestive wording.
 
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