I remember that one Fallout mod had what appeared to be a Christian group who were of the opinion that technology was the tool of the Devil and that they were out to destroy it all.
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Vault 69er
Water Chip? Been There, Done That
The Dutch Ghost said:
Suddenly I see an image of a crazed Amish-man hitting a guy in Power Armour with a twig.
Nope they weren't above using some of the 'Devil's tools' to make their work easy such as guns, armour, and walkie talkies.
Sorrow
So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs
Yes. Also Zimmerman refers to God, so I think he is a Christian (Which I find ironic, taking in account that his town is a slave camp and he is a delusional psycho.). On the other hand, there are no priests, no community churches, etc. - IMO it would be interesting to see a conflict between CotC and organised Christianity.Ziltoid said:
The Followers seems to be more of a philosophic group than a religious one - they don't seem to worship anything. On the other hand there's a cross behind the Nicole's talking head - also their philosophy of peace and avoiding hatred and revenge makes them seem to be an offshot of Christianity - a group of "saints without God" (Which I find pretty ironic too, especially in contrast with the stance of Zimmerman.).
Dracon M'Alkir
Vault Senior Citizen
The Dutch Ghost said:
That would be quite an interesting twist.
Make our situation worse in the after-fall, rather than improving it.
Hey guys! Let's destroy our farming equipment because it's against the 'proper way' and all starve to death when the snow falls! Yeah!
Although, it does seem logical for some folks to follow this path, and would probably make a really good questline in Fallout.
DarkLegacy said:
I think they would make an interesting counterpart to the Brotherhood of Steel, they would probably see the Brotherhood as servants of evil/devil who try to preserve technology.
As for farming, I don't think these people would make others starve to death but simply use techniques not involving complex machinery and more manpower.
Dracon M'Alkir
Vault Senior Citizen
The Dutch Ghost said:
Yes, this would be really interesting..
A small secluded village that outlaws the use of machinery and advanced technology as they claim that it was the use of said machinery that caused humanity to wage war and kill themselves, thus banning all moving parts; and kill any outsiders that try to infiltrate their village. That would make a REALLY good plotline, I think. They could sabotage the BoS from the inside out, not by means of weapons, but by guile and subterfuge. They could cause chaos within the upper ranks and disorder within the lower ranks; eventually civil war within the BoS and dissolution.
That's right Bethesda, remember to include - Dark Legacy from NMA in the 'special thanks' at the end.
Hmm, I was more thinking about this wacked out army of fanatics, out to save the 'souls' of people and destroy all evil technology. 
Vault 69er
Water Chip? Been There, Done That
You're essentially proposing space age nuclear powered soldiers vs. cave men.
I'll keep my bets on the guys with the big armour and miniguns, thanks.
Besides, if you want technophobic people roughing it, there's Arroyo and the rest of them Tribals.
Sure, they aren't militant. Just stupid. Now a group of people who are stupid and militant? Their type probably died off 8 years after the war, let alone 80.
I'll keep my bets on the guys with the big armour and miniguns, thanks.
Besides, if you want technophobic people roughing it, there's Arroyo and the rest of them Tribals.
Sure, they aren't militant. Just stupid. Now a group of people who are stupid and militant? Their type probably died off 8 years after the war, let alone 80.
Bernard Bumner
Still Mildly Glowing
The Gamer's Quarter said:
Is it? I'm not sure that the lack of overt religiocity is in any way a bad thing in Fallout.
The first problem with including religion in games arises from the real world implications. I cannot see much function for recognisable religion in RPGs, other than to provide a lazy hook on which to hang hackneyed stereotypes (the nuts; the power-crazed; the sympathetic, but ineffectual), or to - intentionally or not - court controversy. It is very much becoming a boring cliche that computer games provoke cries of persecution from some religious group or another, and I can see nothing wrong in avoiding such things by simply ignoring real-world religions.
Fallout is an intelligent fiction, not a direct social and philosophical commentary, and is none the worse for it. Historical and socio-political parallels inform the design, but the universe is also clearly divergent from our own, rather than a direct mirror of it. The real world is a reference point for Fallout, rather than dictating its limits and makeup. As I've said elsewhere: I only consider satire and allegory to have a place in generally imbuing credibility on RPG worlds, because to go any further would be to let reality intrude on that personal fiction. Real-world elements necessarily carry the baggage of our real-world preconceptions, and my attitude towards those elements will be dictated by my own opinions, rather than roleplay. As such, the fictional world doesn't need to be a facsimile of this one. There is no reason why religion should be a part of Fallout, and I'm not sure that many people consider it to be a noteworthy omission; how many people were stopped in their tracks by the sudden realisation that there weren't any bible sects attempting to redeem the world?
Fallout directly addresses the complexities of conscience and consequence, and this would very much be compromised by attributing motives and actions to extant groups. (Whilst also risking alienating members of those groups for no good reason.) It would be a perverse inconsistency in the way that the designers dealt with the whole issue of morality, since the moral tone of the piece is very much dictated by the player, rather than some external agent. The inclusion of any group would necessitate that their actions be consistent with their real-world counterpart (or else, why include them at all). This would require the imposition of somebody else's value judgements on the fiction, one way or another - an intrusion of that group's moral values, or else, the designer's own reaction to that group.
An RPG universe should be familiar, but it should also facilitate roleplaying, and the inclusion of obvious real-world politics is not necessarily conducive to that end.
Vault 69er said:You're essentially proposing space age nuclear powered soldiers vs. cave men.
I'll keep my bets on the guys with the big armour and miniguns, thanks.
Besides, if you want technophobic people roughing it, there's Arroyo and the rest of them Tribals.
Sure, they aren't militant. Just stupid. Now a group of people who are stupid and militant? Their type probably died off 8 years after the war, let alone 80.
People keep thinking that I mean some kind of tribal fanatics, running around with sticks and stones.
I think these people would be sophisticated on some level, they do understand things like reading, writing and such, and believe that it was high tech science, not common craftmanship, that destroyed the world.
They probably would use weapons like guns and armour, justifying its use as 'necessary evil' to carry out their holy mission.
Vault 69er
Water Chip? Been There, Done That
The Dutch Ghost said:
Ah, I see. Hypocrites then.
The BoS would still flatten them in a straight out fight, and they'd not do much damage from the inside given the Brotherhood's xenophobia.