Fallout: The Frontier - Released!

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  1. Señor Wally

    Señor Wally Mildly Dipped

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    I don't recall Fallout 3 sucking your dick much at all, compared to most other Bethesda games. It mostly just kinda sucks your dad's dick??
     
  2. megamike15

    megamike15 It Wandered In From the Wastes

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    atlest when someguy did it in bounties 3 it was more believable as it's implied alot of time had past between nvb 2 and 3.
     
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  3. DerDoctorSchnabelVonRom

    DerDoctorSchnabelVonRom First time out of the vault

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    Surprised you didn't mention Fallout 4, which is perhaps the most egregious example. Sure Preston Gravy, I'm literally a crazed psychopath who wandered in from the wastes, and I just tried to murder all of you before I found out you were unkillable, but if you want to make me supreme leader of the minutemen after knowing me for ten minutes who am I to say no?

    Y'know if Bethesda had been in charge of writing Fallout 1 I'm pretty sure the entirety of Vault 13 would have jerked you off and crowned you the new overseer after finding the water chip.
     
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  4. megamike15

    megamike15 It Wandered In From the Wastes

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    someone at Bethesda must have taken the chosen one at face value in fallout 2. failing to see it was a joke on the concept.
     
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  5. RangerBoo

    RangerBoo Resident Schizo Poster

    Jun 15, 2015
    This is a problem with many people today. A lot of people today want to be seen as special and to be treated as special. They want Mary-Sue power fantasies where everyone tells them that they are amazing or falls in love with them. This is my personal opinion but I think the reason why is because, deep down, these people know that they aren't special or unique. They are the same decaying mass of flesh and bone like everyone else on this Earth. To ward off that realization and the depression that comes with it they indulge in fantasy because in their fantasy they are someone special, who the fate of the world rests on, who is powerful and not powerless. They are also idealized versions of themselves with no flaws and who everyone praises and falls in love with.
    I personally find such stories and characters to be garbage for the mind and utter tripe. The Fallout series was always about ordinary people who either got dealt a bad hand or were thrown into a situation beyond their control. The characters were never treated as special or unique but rather as a person that is a part of the world who could be anybody. That is what made the OG Fallout's and New Vegas so compelling.
     
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  6. megamike15

    megamike15 It Wandered In From the Wastes

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    the best chosen one stories are the ones that twist it.

    like arcanum and baldurs gate.

    in the former one of the twists involves it. while in the latter most of the good path is you not wanting the power that makes you special in the first place as it's pretty much ruining your life.
     
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  7. Señor Wally

    Señor Wally Mildly Dipped

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    Imagine making your courier a whiskey obsessed alcoholic with low luck and who's only real strength is their sharp tongue and bartering skills. Imagine you're also an asshole who robbed the Atomic Wrangler safe to sell shit to support your degenerate lifestyle and to get some fresh ammo, jet and booze. You murder an Atomic Wrangler guard while trying to escape and you don't engage with the kings outside because you remember that you're also low Endurance and low gun skill. You flee like cowardly rat.

    Then you decide to enlist for some quick dough and all of a sudden "OML IT'S THE COURIER. SUCH LEGEND. I MASTERBATE TO YOU, COURIER. PROVE THAT YOU'RE THE COURIER WITH YOUR GUNSLINGING WAYS"

    I have to scratch my head and wonder if all the debauchery and desperate murder was a dream.
     
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  8. megamike15

    megamike15 It Wandered In From the Wastes

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    there is a really bad new vegas critique where the video maker actually claims the courier is a chosen one.




    he starts going into this dumb argument at 26:03
     
  9. DerDoctorSchnabelVonRom

    DerDoctorSchnabelVonRom First time out of the vault

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    Mar 6, 2021
    This made me laugh. My courier is a cretin with ST9 and INT2 who is addicted to jet, uses no projectile weapons of any kind, and hits people who use big words with a super sledge, regardless of faction. The hero of the Mojave, everyone.

    There are exactly two people in New Vegas who treat you with some special significance regardless of player action. Mr. House and Ulysses. In both cases they have a pre-existing relationship with the courier, which does not impinge on the role-playing potential or lack logic.

    The more backstory you're given, the less you can roleplay. Fallout 4 suffered greatly for this. You can't be a non-lawyer or non-soldier. You can't be gay. You can't be someone who doesn't give a shit about his son. You can't have some kind of wacky, unconventional motivation. The Frontier takes it a step further by insinuating backstory that never even happened, which doesn't just curtail future roleplaying potential, but actively contradicts past roleplaying.
     
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  10. Señor Wally

    Señor Wally Mildly Dipped

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    The thing about Mr. House is that it's also him sweet talking to the courier to win them to his side. In any case where the Courier does or says something House doesn't like, House will condescend and make the player feel veeeeery tiny. With Mr. House, you're special until you aren't anymore and then he lets you know how stupid he thinks you are.
     
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  11. DerDoctorSchnabelVonRom

    DerDoctorSchnabelVonRom First time out of the vault

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    Mar 6, 2021
    Y'know, it's weird, I'm currently on a House playthrough and it's the option that I least pick. Not because I think he's the worst for the Mojave, but because of the ego on the guy. Him viewing you as special is contingent entirely on you being an extension of his will. Even Caesar isn't as manipulative.

    Sums it up perfectly. That's what made the ending of Fallout 1 hit so hard, the fact that you're no longer just like everyone else in the vault, that your uniqueness is dangerous, that the wasteland has changed you forever and you can never go back. That's all based your accomplishments in-game, it's not told to you by others. When you start out as a wasteland hero from square one, it's not very compelling to watch your character develop.
     
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  12. Señor Wally

    Señor Wally Mildly Dipped

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    I think Caesar is just as manipulative. House might even be more truthful in the things he tells you, but he's also more disingenuous in his attitude. He's a salesman and innovator first, politician second and it shows.
    Caesar does share similarities. If you fail at something, Caesar will diminish the player: "Up until now, your work has been exceptional. Why are you a failure now?"
     
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  13. megamike15

    megamike15 It Wandered In From the Wastes

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    your at best a mercenary before the path splits.

    and besides mabey yesman your not joining a faction.

    the ncr hires you as a mercenary they never make you one of them

    same with the legion.

    house hires you to be his personal agent so again mercenary.
     
  14. Norzan

    Norzan Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!

    Apr 7, 2017
    I try to supress Fallout 4's dogshit writing from my memory. But not surprised that your character's dick is also sucked in that game.

    Lol he gets destroyed in the comments for a lot of his bullshit arguments. He also (according to the comments, i ain't watching a critique with poorly constructed arguments) claims that Ulysses is from the Enclave when the game clearly states he was in the Legion as a frumentarii.

    This man probably barely played the game.

    I like Fallout 2's take on it because you basically get mocked everytime you bring up you are a chosen one.
     
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  15. 0wing

    0wing Все умрут, а я волномут

    Mar 23, 2015
    It's the best chosen one story ever written because of it. Your character looks like a village idiot to others when he brags about being the chosen one (by who, other village idiots?), which later will contrast with people reaction after the endgame when Enclave is defeated and how everyone suddenly recognize him as one, which is all purely an accident since the original quest is to save the village only.
     
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  16. megamike15

    megamike15 It Wandered In From the Wastes

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    he thinks ulysses is part of the enclave due to the prewar flag on his back. but he played 4 first so he really knows nothing about the lore in the first place.
     
  17. Norzan

    Norzan Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!

    Apr 7, 2017
    Fucking lol, the flag he has on his back and the Enclave flag are different.



    Another one of these that barely plays any of the games outside of the Bethesda ones and thinks they can do a retrospective on the series.

    I mean, they are similar if i'm gonna be fair, what with the stars surrounding something. But if you're gonna do a retrospective, at least fact check what you say.
     
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  18. 1Punman

    1Punman It Wandered In From the Wastes

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    It's not showing what you uploaded, Norzan, at least on my end.

    Edit: Now it's showing up correctly.
     
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  19. megamike15

    megamike15 It Wandered In From the Wastes

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    yeah and someone pointed that out to him. and all he did was call the guy correcting him wrong. he starts fights with people that disagree with him.
     
  20. megamike15

    megamike15 It Wandered In From the Wastes

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    here is the train wrack from that video if you are interested



    Aviator Ranger1 year ago
    But Ulysses isn't part of the enclave.


    Acerthorn

    1 year ago
    Then what's he doing brandishing the enclave flag at the battery where the DLC's climax takes place?


    Aviator Ranger
    1 year ago (edited)
    @Acerthorn The enclave flag has an "E" on it. Are u sure that's what u saw? Edit1: I went back an earlier save and checked, that's not the enclave flag, like i said, the enclave flag has a capital 'E' on it. The many flags in Ulysses's Temple didn't.
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    Acerthorn

    1 year ago
    @Aviator Ranger I put that flag in the thumbnail for that episode, so you can see fro yourself. It was episode 52 of the LP.


    Aviator Ranger
    1 year ago
    @Acerthorn There is a big star in the centre instead of a capital 'E'. That is not the enclave flag. Also why are they unlisted? hahahahahaha


    Acerthorn

    1 year ago (edited)
    @Aviator Ranger "There is a big star in the centre instead of a capital 'E'." it is clearly mean to be the "stars and bars" of the modern USA flag. As such, it is clearly meant to represent the "legitimate descendants" of the US government. That means it's the enclave. You can argue all you want about the tiniest of inconsistencies. If I paint the US flag, but I accidentally paint the stars so that they are arranged in a 5x10 grid instead of interlaced, it is still the American flag. The slightest nit-pick doesn't change that. "Also why are they unlisted?" This is why:
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    Aviator Ranger
    1 year ago
    @Acerthorn It is a real flag used in the years 1777-1795. In the fallout universe it is used by pre-war america before the enclave even existed. Ulysses claims that the divide was like pre-war america more than anything else. It's just what he thinks so he uses the flag.


    Acerthorn

    1 year ago
    @Aviator Ranger "It is a real flag used in the years 1777-1795" Then what the fuck is it doing in a nuclear battery? Did nukes exist in the 18th century? "In the fallout universe it is used by pre-war america before the enclave even existed" Well, of course they did. Since world history in the Fallout universe is the same as our real-life world history up until the 1950s, then yes, the USA used the same flag from 1777-1795 in both Fallout and real worlds.
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    Acerthorn

    1 year ago (edited)
    @Aviator Ranger Look, bro: You're nitpicking over the stupidest of details. Would you care to comment on the actual major criticisms I made about this game? Like how linear Lonesome Road is? Or how much it resembles FO76? Do you think I'm being unfair by holding DLC to a higher standard than the vanilla game since I'm paying extra for them? If so, why do you think that's an unfair treatment? And what about the vanilla game? Do you have any rebuttals to my arguments that the player character is "The Chosen One" in everything but name? How about how boring or unimmersive the side quests are? The dull, colorless graphics? The lack of moral ambiguity with the Legion? The cop-out at the end when you don't even get to fight Ceasar in the flesh as the final boss? Can you provide any rebuttal arguments on anything I say in this video that actually changes the overall assessment of the game? Or are you just going to linger on whether Ulyssus is a member of the Enclave or not? Because if that's the only part of this video that you can actually refute, then I'll go ahead and say that I am still 99.999% justified in my opinion of this game as a whole.
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    Aviator Ranger
    1 year ago
    @Acerthorn It's just that Ulysses being part of the enclave sounded like a big deal to u. Sorry, my bad.


    Acerthorn

    1 year ago
    @Aviator Ranger It's like I said using a text overlay when I was discussing the NCR side quest "Can You Find it in Your Heart." I posted a text overlay correcting myself, stating that I was killing giant ants, not radscorpions. The important thing was that the quest was a boring "go here kill this" quest that was simply not interesting. But as I said during a text overlay, if I didn't correct myself, super pedantic New Vegas fanboy assholes would act like that one error completely and singlehandedly invalidates my entire retrospective, even if it's the most nit-picky of details. By focusing so heavily on just the fact that Ulysses wasn't actually an Enclave affiliate, you are NOT doing much to convince me that my cynicism in that section of the video was misplaced!
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    Aviator Ranger
    1 year ago
    @Acerthorn Ulysses being part of the enclave means to you that the dlc uses fallout 3 as a crutch. That's actually a pretty big criticism of the dlc but perhaps i misunderstood.


    Acerthorn

    1 year ago
    @Aviator Ranger Even if I were to concede that he wasn't a member of the Enclave (and I'm still not 100% convinced of such; the flag is just too similar), I had decided that this DLC sucked donkey dick long before I reached that battery. If you were to actually go and watch the let's play (the Lonesome Road section is Episodes 46 thru 52), you can see that I am complaining about the DLC's linearity and monotony about three episodes in. Hell, even on the first episode of the Lonesome Road section, I was complaining about how this DLC built up the Courier profession to godlike proportions, which undermined what the character creation had seemingly achieved, a point which I made sure to include in this retrospective video. So there was already plenty for me to hate about this DLC long before I even realized that there was anything remotely resembling the Enclave in it.
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    Aviator Ranger
    1 year ago
    @Acerthorn Those were more valid criticisms though. You can see why the Ulysses one caught my eye.


    Acerthorn

    1 year ago
    @Aviator Ranger "You can see why the Ulysses one caught my eye." No, actually, I can't. I spent about thirty seconds in the retrospective talking about the Enclave. Thirty seconds, in a video that is 92 minutes long. I probably would have forgiven the re-use of the Enclave, were it not for the fact that, by the time I saw the Enclave flag, I had already reached the end of my tether with this damn game. Perhaps my poor experiences with the game up to that point caused me to suffer from critical hyperalgesia when I saw the flag. I'm aware of that, and when I was writing the script for this video, I made sure to reduce my discussion of the Enclave re-use to a proportionate level.
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    Aviator Ranger
    1 year ago
    @Acerthorn Because other criticisms were more valid, that's what i meant.


    Acerthorn

    1 year ago
    @Aviator Ranger Well, I appreciate you staying civil with me throughout this discussion despite disagreeing with me. I've already had to delete a couple of comments on this video and block them because they likened their disagreeing with me to me simply being a dumb shit, and I do not tolerate that. Might I persuade you to subscribe? I've got a whole backlog of other analysis & discussion videos you might find interesting. On my channel's home page, you'll find several playlists full of videos where I talk about practically anything video game related, including lore, story analysis, character analysis, plot holes, and the video game industry in real life! So you've got plenty of content on this channel to keep you busy for the next couple of days. I do my best to provide new content once a week!
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    Dirty Blue
    1 year ago
    @Acerthorn I mean, you liken people disagreeing with you to them being dumb shits all the time in your videos.


    James
    1 year ago
    @Acerthorn jeez all the guy tried to do was correct you no need to take it so personally


    tyler Stringer
    1 year ago
    I would like to point out that in the comment section acerthorn responded to kyle anjuna . Saying ( thank you for maintaining civility despite disagreeing with me ) aviator ranger who obviously is more in to the lore was just letting you know that is not an enclave flag.


    Vegan Hero
    1 year ago
    @Acerthorn You argue like a complete moron. He corrects you on one thing and your response is "but how about this other thing that is completely irrelevant to the argument"


    N-Crash56
    1 year ago (edited)
    @Acerthorn the player isn't the chosen one, the NCR wants you because you can kill Mr.House. And also, Ulysses isn't a member of the Enclave, I don't know where you got that idea from! It's never said, he never even talks about the Enclave! And also you "argument" with Obsidian using an already existing faction: Only because this faction already exists doesn't make it bad. Edit: Also you missed a lot of missions and stories and assumed that there is only one way to do many missions, the quest where you have to fix the solar panels? Guess what! You can go to Helios One and pick up stuff to repair them! You also didn't read anything, because if you did you would have noticed that in the slave document of this lady who sold Boones wife it's said that his wife was carrying a child and that the woman who sold her would get more money if the child turns out fine and If she keeps the document. I understand your problems with the Legion though, but Obsidian had 18 months to make the game, they didn't have enough time to make them more deep, actually Ulysses was ment to be the Legion companion but, like I said they didn't have enough time. Edit 2: In my opinion the DLCs are amazing. I think your problem is that you didn't want to like the game. If you'd pay a little more attention to the writting you would get why so many people love this game. But, I get your problem with Lonesome Road, it destroyed role playing and making couriers look like gods was silly, but it doesn't change the fact that it's well written. Edit 3: The argument that the DLCs have to be good because you payed for them isn't very good either because I just looked it up and you get the whole game with all DLCs for about $5.
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    big boss bob ross
    11 months ago
    @Acerthorn 1. It's not the Enclave flag it's just the American flag in the fallout universe. 2. Just because someone owns a flag does not mean they are allied with the state/government that it represents. I own a soviet union flag, does that mean I work for the soviet union? Plenty of conservatives in America who absolutely hate the federal government also have flag decals on their truck because their patriotic. Does that mean they work for the federal government? Ulysses' character is aligned to the Divide which he believes is representative of the spirit and ideals of the old world, i.e. pre war america. It would make since if he uses the pre-war american flag in that context. It does not mean that he is associated with the Enclave, especially since the Enclave has virtually no presence in the Mojave and since he used to be a frumentarius for the Legion.
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    Tyler
    11 months ago
    @Acerthorn You just can’t help looking like an ass huh?


    EFFECT CSX
    7 months ago
    @Acerthorn God damm you are such a hardass lol


    Shushkin
    6 months ago
    @Acerthorn You did not pay attention to the dialogue. Ulysses is a legion soldier sent west posing as a courier to gather information on the ncr. Ulysses found a home in hopeville which you had a hand in destroying by delivering a package at some point prior the game starts. Reason why Ulysses has the stars and stripes on his back isn't because he is enclave, it isn't the enclave flag. He read some history books and was inspired by them. He took the name Ulysses from history. The flag on his back isn't enclave, it is the old American flag of the fallout universe. You bitch a lot about things in your video that you somehow missed. Then you say the game is crap because of it. I don't care personally, I do like the game, but I'm not a fanboy. Though, you come across very unprofessional when you don't even play the whole game to be thorough or even pay attention to dialogue.
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    Andrew Langhout
    5 months ago
    Acerthorn heads up, the US flag is “the Stars and Stripes.” “The Star and Bars” is the flag of the confederate flag.


    patrick thomson
    5 months ago
    @Acerthorn i was going to sub, but you're a toxic asshole, the enclave flag is a bastardized version of the prewar flag which instead of 50 states had 13 commonwealths such as nevada. When you're misinformed don't be an asshole.


    Hamsters Plural
    5 months ago
    Acerthorn Bruh. In the Fallout universe the US split into 13 commonwealths. That’s why they used the old colonial flag.


    Hugh Shaftner
    4 months ago
    @Acerthorn just accept you made a mistake instead of getting so buttblasted LOL


    Acerthorn

    4 months ago
    @Hugh Shaftner
     
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