Jiggly McNerdington
Look, Ma! Two Heads!
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Fallout's 10th anniversary: 4 Leonard Boyarsky concept arts
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Look, Ma! Two Heads!
maximaz
Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!
Do you, Brother None, know Leonard or were those descriptions written somewhere? If you do know him, what is he up to?
I don't know what their story is but lobotomy is when you have a part of your brain damaged on purpose as an anti-depression treatment.
I don't know what their story is but lobotomy is when you have a part of your brain damaged on purpose as an anti-depression treatment.
No. Lobotomy is a destructive and stupid medical procedure used as a panacea for a number of ailments because the doctors couldn't be arsed to actually make effort and find a proper cure.
zioburosky13
Vault Senior Citizen
Good old memory... 
radnan said:awesome
i demands a fan made mod with lobotomites !
You're gonna get all the lobotomites you need... One Fallout MMO ships
Bernard Bumner
Still Mildly Glowing
Mikael Grizzly said:
An often very effective treatment for drug-resistant temporal lobe epilepsy, though.
http://kotaku.com/gaming/fallout/original-fallout-concept-art-302783.php
NMA's 10 year anniversary has been posted in Kotaku news ! !
NMA's 10 year anniversary has been posted in Kotaku news ! !
maximaz said:
Those description were written by Leonard when he sent me the images.
He's at Blizzard, I suspect he's part of the 3rd team working on the unannounced project, but that's just a hunch.
Not a bad idea 'tall.
maximaz
Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!
Mikael Grizzly said:
Well, basically what I said. Except it would be more correct to say that it's a treatment for mental disorders rather than depression, that's limiting it. It's stupid to us now of course but there were a lot of things doctors did in the past that seem stupid now, and a lot of things that they do now that will seem stupid in the future. Lobotomy is dangerous because you basically damage a part of the brain and outcome is not always the desired one but it often worked.
I wonder what their story would be in Fallout though. Maybe Brother None could ask Leonard for more info about them?
I hope it's the Diablo 3 team ))
I actually hope Blizzard is making something new for a change.
iridium_ionizer
Mildly Dipped
Lombotomy
Lobotomy literally means the cutting (and subsequently removing) of part of the brain lobe (like an appendectomy means the cutting of the appendix). While the procedure probably did give positive results on some of the most severe disorders, the majority of patients who received the procedure likely had a worsening of symptoms or a complete erasing of competent human thought and personality. It was an accepted (although probably never popular) procedure in the first half of the 1950's.
If you want to see similar things in cinema then watch the original Planet of the Apes or One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest. To use a computer analogy, performing a partial lobotomy on someone with a mental disorder is like having your graphics cards malfunctioning due to a driver issue (let's say the textures are all muddied) and trying to fix it by taking a hammer and breaking off part of the graphics card. Sure, your computer might even still function, but that's is no real solution.
The likely idea behind the lobotomites is that some mastermind has been performing the lobotomies upon hapless victims in the wasteland, thus they lose their higher brain functions, and then the mastermind implants an electronic control device in the the place of the removed brain lobe. And presto! Instant army with undying allegiance.
Lobotomy literally means the cutting (and subsequently removing) of part of the brain lobe (like an appendectomy means the cutting of the appendix). While the procedure probably did give positive results on some of the most severe disorders, the majority of patients who received the procedure likely had a worsening of symptoms or a complete erasing of competent human thought and personality. It was an accepted (although probably never popular) procedure in the first half of the 1950's.
If you want to see similar things in cinema then watch the original Planet of the Apes or One Flew Over the Cuckoo's Nest. To use a computer analogy, performing a partial lobotomy on someone with a mental disorder is like having your graphics cards malfunctioning due to a driver issue (let's say the textures are all muddied) and trying to fix it by taking a hammer and breaking off part of the graphics card. Sure, your computer might even still function, but that's is no real solution.
The likely idea behind the lobotomites is that some mastermind has been performing the lobotomies upon hapless victims in the wasteland, thus they lose their higher brain functions, and then the mastermind implants an electronic control device in the the place of the removed brain lobe. And presto! Instant army with undying allegiance.
Awesome explanation.
Sorrow
So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs
Re: Lombotomy
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Enclave could do such thingiridium_ionizer said:
.urikireOCS
First time out of the vault
Re: Lombotomy
Sounds like a 'biohazard' of sorts
10yrs and counting...
Sorrow said:Enclave could do such thingiridium_ionizer said:
Sounds like a 'biohazard' of sorts
10yrs and counting...
Bernard Bumner
Still Mildly Glowing
Re: Lombotomy
I just want to clear this up, because the real world lobotomy is not necessary like those procedures you see in movies.
Firstly, lobotomy and lobectomy are terms which encompass various different operations. Lobotomies can still be important neurosurgical interventions; it was their use as psychosurgical treatments which was - and remains - controversial.
Lobotomies and even hemispherectomies (where an entire half of the brain is removed or disabled) can still be life-saving operations for patients suffering from certain types of neurological disorders, not least of all epilepsy. They are effectively used in cases where drug-resistant simple or complex partial seizures cause frequent tonic-clonic seizures (Grand mal seizures, sometimes also called brain storms, because they affect the entire brain). These seizures are the classic kind, which lead to unconsciousness, and then whole body fitting; they are very disabling, and often life-threatening.
These kinds of seizures are often associated with partial or complete atrophy of the brain tissue, so removing it may well have little major affect on neurological functioning, beyond improving seizures. Many people who've had lobotomies (who were actually known as lobotomites) would be indistinguishable from the general population, or else show little cognitive impairment compared to their preoperative state.
Even in the case of hemispherectomies, the other half of the patients' brain is often able to adapt to perform the lost functions, and the may be little effect beyond hemiplegia (a weakening of one side of the body). This is especially true if the operation is performed on a child, where neurological structural-functional relationships are more plastic.
Basically, the bottom line is that lobotomisation doesn't necessarily create pliant zombie slaves. (Although, that is fine for sci-fi, and I suppose that it is possible in theory to do it.)
The computer analogy is completely flawed, because the situation is sometimes more like having two SLI graphics cards which are in conflict because one of them isn't working properly; removing (carefully, and not using a hammer) the faulty one allows the remaining card to function.
Still, brains aren't computers, and neurosurgeons aren't hammer-wielding idiots.
iridium_ionizer said:
I just want to clear this up, because the real world lobotomy is not necessary like those procedures you see in movies.
Firstly, lobotomy and lobectomy are terms which encompass various different operations. Lobotomies can still be important neurosurgical interventions; it was their use as psychosurgical treatments which was - and remains - controversial.
Lobotomies and even hemispherectomies (where an entire half of the brain is removed or disabled) can still be life-saving operations for patients suffering from certain types of neurological disorders, not least of all epilepsy. They are effectively used in cases where drug-resistant simple or complex partial seizures cause frequent tonic-clonic seizures (Grand mal seizures, sometimes also called brain storms, because they affect the entire brain). These seizures are the classic kind, which lead to unconsciousness, and then whole body fitting; they are very disabling, and often life-threatening.
These kinds of seizures are often associated with partial or complete atrophy of the brain tissue, so removing it may well have little major affect on neurological functioning, beyond improving seizures. Many people who've had lobotomies (who were actually known as lobotomites) would be indistinguishable from the general population, or else show little cognitive impairment compared to their preoperative state.
Even in the case of hemispherectomies, the other half of the patients' brain is often able to adapt to perform the lost functions, and the may be little effect beyond hemiplegia (a weakening of one side of the body). This is especially true if the operation is performed on a child, where neurological structural-functional relationships are more plastic.
Basically, the bottom line is that lobotomisation doesn't necessarily create pliant zombie slaves. (Although, that is fine for sci-fi, and I suppose that it is possible in theory to do it.)
The computer analogy is completely flawed, because the situation is sometimes more like having two SLI graphics cards which are in conflict because one of them isn't working properly; removing (carefully, and not using a hammer) the faulty one allows the remaining card to function.
Still, brains aren't computers, and neurosurgeons aren't hammer-wielding idiots.
Endless Void
It Wandered In From the Wastes
pexxx said:
Making it a real time FPS with cars that explode in "NUKULAR KLOUDZORZ". But they couldn't ninja the technology from the other developers of their time.
iridium_ionizer
Mildly Dipped
Re: Lombotomy
Bernard Bumner said:
I agree with pretty much everything he said. But most neurosurgery and psychiatry done in pre-1950's (hence why the idea was toyed with in creating Fallout) would be veiwed as barbarism by today's doctors (who still sometimes get things wrong).Bernard Bumner said: