Fuck Notre Dame. Seriously.

That's perfectly okay. Billion spend at reconstruction won't end in some economical vacuum anyway, it will provide jobs for hundreds of qualified specialists, thousands small services including food chains or material providers, everything properly taxed and filling state coffers in the end. Anybody thinking the same amount of money being spend directly in form of taxes would magically support social system instead most of it ending in overpaid scam projects filling private pockets in form of dividends is a dreamer.
 
Yeah, I'm not against spending tons of money rebuilding it. It just feels like "damn, we could get a lot of shit done if the retardedly rich just got off their arses". That's sad, because I'm also firmly against taking away their money. I want those people to use their money wisely instead of hoarding it or using it to get richer.
 
Yeah, I'm not against spending tons of money rebuilding it. It just feels like "damn, we could get a lot of shit done if the retardedly rich just got off their arses". That's sad, because I'm also firmly against taking away their money. I want those people to use their money wisely instead of hoarding it or using it to get richer.

This is the reason why our constitution on state and federal level, like here in Bavaria, have a lot of entries relating to the distribution of wealth. It would be nice if the rich did it on their own, but they usually don't, so after a long learning process, most societies at some point came together and decided you have to well, force the rich in to paying.

Constitution of the Free State of Bavaria

Art. 123

(1) Everyone shall be required to bear the burden of public charges in proportion to his/her income and property and taking into account his/her maintenance duties

(2) Consumption taxes and taxes based on possession must be in an appropriate relation to each other

(3) 1 The inheritance tax shall also serve the purpose of preventing the amassing of huge fortunes by individuals 2 It shall be staged according to the degree of kinship

https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Constitution_of_the_Free_State_of_Bavaria


Basic Law for the Federal Republic of Germany

Article 14
[Property – Inheritance – Expropriation]

(1) Property and the right of inheritance shall be guaranteed. Their content and limits shall be defined by the laws.

(2) Property entails obligations. Its use shall also serve the public good.

(3) Expropriation shall only be permissible for the public good. It may only be ordered by or pursuant to a law that determines the nature and extent of compensation. Such compensation shall be determined by establishing an equitable balance between the public interest and the interests of those affected. In case of dispute concerning the amount of compensation, recourse may be had to the ordinary courts.

Article 15
[Socialisation]

Land, natural resources and means of production may for the purpose of socialisation be transferred to public ownership or other forms of public enterprise by a law that determines the nature and extent of compensation. With respect to such compensation the third and fourth sentences of paragraph (3) of Article 14 shall apply mutatis mutandis.

https://www.gesetze-im-internet.de/englisch_gg/
 
Yeah, I'm not against spending tons of money rebuilding it. It just feels like "damn, we could get a lot of shit done if the retardedly rich just got off their arses". That's sad, because I'm also firmly against taking away their money. I want those people to use their money wisely instead of hoarding it or using it to get richer.
I see what your getting at. But you can't market it as some pussy ass shit like the advancement and betterment of humanity, no, You got to play at their ego. We need to return to old ways of rich people trying to out rich other rich people by doing awesome shit. like the Romans "Hey this months Colosseum games, I got this" which would lead to "A month? bitch please, this years bread for all of you. On me". Hell look at the US, some wealthy guy loses a hand of cards to another wealthy guy and decides to one up him by building a railroad network 3 times as big just as a fuck you.
 
I wouldn't blame Billionaires with not trying to help society by wasting money completely.

A few billion is not that much money when you are talking about large scale infrastructure and research. That is why the Soviet and American militaries were the first ones to develop all of the technology we use today.

These people are in the business of making money and floating international corporations.


However, that's not to say that you're all wrong on investment. People invest into things that show quick returns on investment and not research and development.


These so called Billionaires are a drop in the bucket compared to the financial industry. Hedge funds like BlackRock https://www.blackrock.com/corporate control in excess of Trillions of USD in public assets under management, and that is only what is publicly counted. You're not seeing secret accounts that are held in areas outside of government jurisdictions, and government black-funds.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BlackRock


These hedge-funds have been making 3-20% interest every year for over 30 years now, and get bought and resold as debt by different companies every decade or so.

So one hedge-fund and its board of directors make more money per year than what the media likes to portray it's "richest people" make all together in their entire lives. These assets are not counted the same way "Profit and Income" are measured.

These financial institutions make the rules of what governments can and can't do, and if they don't, hope you like inflation and sanctions.

And like I said, one big fat turd in Switzerland collects all of the interest and loans all the money, sitting there in his chair with one big red fucking button on it.

People like The Koch Brothers, George Soros, Jeff Besos and Bill Gates ain't got shit on the financial sector. They wear their little suits and are still pawns to an even bigger elite that sits above them.

All this shit is a drop in the bucket and no amount of reform is going to change the way things are because our system is completely reliant on how all of this functions.

Let them eat cake, or they can eat shit, is the way of the game.
 
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Notre Dame is a building and repairs are a pretty no bullshit affair.

Social Justice, on the other hand, is fucking VAGUE as fuck, and is much more difficult to address. Like in a previous post about curing world hunger, I brought up the ridiculous issues of a rich person fighting through reams of red tape, with various governments, all while being called a an imperialist because said rich person wants to make sure the money he gives to said government actually goes to feeding people instead of being embezzled by corrupt officials.

Quite simply put, repairing a building has is a much more simple affair compared to something like the yellow vests, where you deal with tax rates, fixing loopholes, which are both bound to be red tape issues.
 
Notre Dame is a building and repairs are a pretty no bullshit affair.

Social Justice, on the other hand, is fucking VAGUE as fuck, and is much more difficult to address. Like in a previous post about curing world hunger, I brought up the ridiculous issues of a rich person fighting through reams of red tape, with various governments, all while being called a an imperialist because said rich person wants to make sure the money he gives to said government actually goes to feeding people instead of being embezzled by corrupt officials.

Quite simply put, repairing a building has is a much more simple affair compared to something like the yellow vests, where you deal with tax rates, fixing loopholes, which are both bound to be red tape issues.


The governments are nothing but the custodians of the truly rich who make money on both sides. In the US, both political parties have vested interest in certain corporations. Be it Silicon Valley businesses for the far left, and Petro-Chemical companies on the far right. All of this is a sham when these companies are public and rely on investors to earn profit, or private and use loans from financial institutions to expand or are setup to be self-reliant in whatever sector they are.

All of these companies pay interest in the form of either taxes, investment portfolios, or trading fees to the banking system, whether that bank is a public or a shadow institution. As well, each bank must pay back the money it borrows from the larger bank above it. The Federal Reserve pays it's debt to LIBOR BBA, and LIBOR BBA pays it's interest to Switzerland. All of your common banks you see on the street, are owned by the same system of loans.

And all of your "Governments" owe debt to these institutions.

At the round table, you can find all of your Religious institutions, like the Catholic Church, Zionists, Communists, and the like. Spinning their web of magick to make the hamster wheel go round and round.

Your ideologies are a sham, used to move you from one place to another, to slave away for the financial hierarchy. All because you believe in the power, the illusion, of debt.

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Dopamine

I'm not exactly sure what kind of point you are trying to make with your post about governments.

All I am trying to say is, while I agree with Crni that lives are more important than a building, fixing a building is a hell of a lot easier than trying to enact policy changes. Fixing a building, is going to happen a lot quick than trying to transition to a 100 percent, renewable only energy situation.
 
Dopamine

I'm not exactly sure what kind of point you are trying to make with your post about governments.

All I am trying to say is, while I agree with Crni that lives are more important than a building, fixing a building is a hell of a lot easier than trying to enact policy changes. Fixing a building, is going to happen a lot quick than trying to transition to a 100 percent, renewable only energy situation.


 
Dopamine

I'm not exactly sure what kind of point you are trying to make with your post about governments.
If you manage to figure out Dopa, then you'll be holding the key to the Universe in your hands.



Or you're just drunk and masturbating.

What ever suits you more.
 
At the round table, you can find all of your Religious institutions, like the Catholic Church, Zionists, Communists, and the like. Spinning their web of magick to make the hamster wheel go round and round.

uh wut

commies iirc are supposed to be against the way the systems works in specific, so why would they try to control/fuel it?

@Walpknut you're the most leftist person on the board explain it.
 
Parisian dropping in here just to affirm that I too give very little shit for Notre-Dame and find it relatively ridiculous that so much moolah is being poured into its reconstruction when so many other issues need to be addressed.
 
I got this one off of FunnyJunk just now. (I really don't care either way about this thing, which is why I never responded, I just found the pic funny.)


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And then people act all surprised, when riots happen because society becomes instable and people frustrated. Ah! What ever you do, never ever question the status quo and the current system! That's dangerous. Best leave things as they are. What's the worst that could happen?

Who knows, maybe Zegh is right after all (I hope not). Nothing will change unless some heads roll trough the streets.
 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victor_Hugo said:
Hugo's novel Notre-Dame de Paris (The Hunchback of Notre-Dame) was published in 1831 and quickly translated into other languages across Europe. One of the effects of the novel was to shame the City of Paris into restoring the much-neglected Cathedral of Notre Dame, which was attracting thousands of tourists who had read the popular novel. The book also inspired a renewed appreciation for pre-Renaissance buildings, which thereafter began to be actively preserved.

Another funny aspect of Notre Dame is that it's not only a Christian church but also covered in alchemy symbols. And Victor Hugo (just as most European artists, authors and philosophers) was very aware of it. The hunchback of Notre Dame has an entire chapter talking about alchemy, as well as several concepts that remind very much of alchemy teachings and symbolism (for example, Quasimodo dying on the skeleton of Esmeralda which may be the concept that men & women are two halves of a perfect being.)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Notre-Dame_de_Paris#Iconography_—_the_"poor_people's_book" said:
Amid all the religious figures, some of the sculptural decoration was devoted to illustrating medieval science and philosophy. The central portal of the west façade is decorated with carved figures holding circular plaques with symbols of transformation taken from alchemy. The central pillar of the central door of Notre-Dame features a statue of a woman on a throne holding a scepter in her left hand, and in her right hand, two books, one open (symbol of public knowledge), and the other closed (esoteric knowledge), along with a ladder with seven steps, symbolizing the seven steps alchemists followed in their scientific quest of trying to transform ordinary metals into gold.[67]

And if you study alchemy you'll also learn that the symbol for gold is also the symbol for God, so the old concept of creating gold, is actually the idea of having human beings transcendent to a divine status. Which is a form of humanism represented by Sturm and Drang and Rationalism (Prometheus, for example, the rebellion against the Gods/Powers to promote mankind).

Freemasonry is also inspired/based on alchemy.

I'm not an expert, though, I just read a book about it once. And it's fascinating. Mostly as alchemy is from a time when people believed that God exists and that God created this world. The fascination of this particular view is that an alchemist can study God by studying the world, and by understanding the world, one understands God. Which is simply amazing if you think about it.
It was a time when everything was intriguing and significant.

I believe basically every author (classical literature) dabbled in alchemy and mystic at one point as the fascination lies in its esoteric aspect (religion) combined with science & philosophy. (Hugo, Blake, Joyce, Goethe, Hegel, Rimbaud, Dürer, Bosch etc. were all involved in alchemy or freemasonry and it all dates back to Paracelsus, Platon, Brahe, Copernicus and what not.)

It also needs to be said that one thing doesn't have to exclude another. I don't see why poverty should prevent from restoring Notre Dame. And many people who give for Notre Dame, may also give for other projects. It doesn't have to be exclusive of each other.

Personally, I find Notre Dame very important. It's not just Christianity but a symbol of the very heart of European culture & literature (i.e. people like Victor Hugo who wrote Les Misèrables branding the abuse of people, the cruelty of poverty and the violence of arbitrary rulers.) That's not the same as giving people bread, but from some angles it's more than that, it creates vision, gives people a moral compass, it creates what we are.

I don't like the concept that the material world is the only thing that matters. Art is important, too. In fact, it's extremely important. The moral status and future of a nation is always in accordance to how that nation treats its poets. (I think Walt Whitman said that, more or less).


Anyway, I thought it may be interesting to point this out, as this “cultural past” of Europe is mostly obscured and forgotten nowadays.
 
People who ask for handouts are ticking timebombs? :thinking:
The problem of the homeless, and begging is a ticking time bomb.

*That aside and apart from the segment of humanity that intentionally chooses the life of a homeless beggar; (as opposed to being down on one's luck, and looking to recover). These people do exist, There are people who will nurture an infected wound as a meal ticket because it brings them sympathy/charity... and that's their year-round job.

These and many others cannot be helped with charity because they don't give a damn about recovering, they want free food , free money, and free services. Enabling them is like teaching a man to fish, and STILL finding him begging the boats at the dock—because he doesn't want to fish, he wants to be given a dinner.

Where I live there are effectively permanent tent cities full of homeless in the middle of the central business district, and on the grass in front of City Hall; it's been like that for fifteen years! They don't want to leave or make a better place for themselves, they want to sit at the traffic lights and be given to; all day; all year...

...And this is a city where if you want a job, you can make a job.
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A significant chunk of the population has decided that they don't need a home when they can sleep in the streets for free, and be fed for free by the sympathetic or the uncomfortable. This city has shelters, has charities who distribute meals, medical aid, job training... But it doesn't improve anything when the people they wish to help simply memorize where to go for free vittles each day.

The sad fact is that the more money a society spends on helping the homeless... the more they incentivise the choice to become homeless; by making it a viable lifestyle.

And they are teaching their kids to do it too. Every day I see kids aged 4 to 14 on the corners fleecing the commuters, buckets in hand—occasionally chaperoned; "donate to our school", "donate to our band practice", "donate to our birthday party".

I have seen grown adults go trick-or-treat-ing to collect —their kid's candy— without the kids.
 
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