Fuck Notre Dame. Seriously.

[Risewild]

Well, we need to take a look at what other stuff these rich people do with their money.
It's easy to point when they donate to rebuild a historical building, but what if they finance or regularly contribute to other causes?

For example, Francois-Henri Pinault openly supports other causes. Like women's rights and environmental issues:

In 2008, François-Henri Pinault created the Kering Foundation to defend and promote women’s rights.[14] In 2015, Kering launched the Women in Motion program with the Cannes Film Festival to raise gender issues within the film industry.[15]

François-Henri Pinault is a member of The B Team, a pro-environment not-for-profit organization founded by Richard Branson.[16] In 2009, he financed the documentary Home by Yann Arthus-Bertrand, which shows aerial shots of various places on Earth and discusses how humanity is threatening the ecological balance of the planet.[17] In January 2018, Kering was named top sustainable textile, apparel and luxury goods corporation in the Corporate Knights Global 100 index.

He's also a board member of a charity for sufferers of leukodystrophy:

One might not expect to find him on a rainy evening in the basement of a Fnac record store for a low-key cocktail party. But Pinault was there as a supporter and a board member of ELA, a French charity for sufferers of the rare brain disorder leukodystrophy, which strikes mostly children. As it is rare, there isn'€t a lot of research or much particular aid,€ he says with a shrug.

And Gucci also donates part of their profits and organizes charity events that raise millions for UNICEF and other charities:

There have been a few initiatives of the headline-making ilk, including a Madonna-hosted Gucci bash during New York Fashion Week this past February that attracted stars such as Demi Moore and Tom Cruise and raised $5.5 million to be split between UNICEF and Madonna's Malawi charity. Gucci has also tapped Rihanna for an ad campaign this winter promoting special-edition products for UNICEF. €œIt makes all the difference, the singer insists. When [customers] see that they'€™re taking a chunk of their profits and giving it to UNICEF and the kids, it's really deep. I give them so much more respect.

Also this:

The lion'€™s share of Pinault'€™s CSR efforts function below the radar, including antidiscrimination initiatives under a nonprofit organization called SolidarCité, which PPR established in 2001. People who buy couches at Conforama are not likely to be aware that the furniture, arriving at the Marseille port from Asia, is now shipped by river barge instead of trucks to a distribution center in Lyon, cutting carbon dioxide emissions by 800 tons €”and shipping costs by 20 percent. All stones used by Boucheron must have a certificate guaranteeing their adherence to the Kimberley process, assuring no €œblood diamonds. And astute shoppers will notice that the facades of Gucci stores in China go dark shortly after closing and remain so all night, even as those of many of its competitors are lit up like a switchboard at all hours. What'€™s more, last year Gucci received SA 8000 certification from Social Accountability International, €”the highest standard applied for its leather goods and jewelry business, meaning that its supply chains comply with standards for decent working conditions based on UN conventions and the Universal Declaration of Human Rights.

And who knows what other charities/causes he donates/finances/supports to.

I don't have time to take a look at what causes other people who donated to the rebuilding of Notre Dame support, but it shouldn't be that difficult to find with simple google searches.

 

[Gizmojunk]

How many of us here have set foot in Notre Dame?
(Just curious)

 

[Walpknut]

It turned out to be a big nothing, most of the important stuff got saved and everybody and their money is pouring enough money to end world hunger into rebuilding a Cathedral.

 

[valcik]

The sad fact is that the more money a society spends on helping the homeless... the more they incentivise the choice to become homeless; by making it a viable lifestyle.

Leftist extremists know how to solve this problem - they'll grab sacred cleaver +1 against rich, chop some educated heads off, fill gorebags, and split up the fat loot! That would totally change the mindset of homeless, with big fat loot they'll magically turn into self-disciplined, methodical, selfless model citizens according to Vuk. Sweet, sweet naivety!

 

[TheHouseAlwaysWins]

I got this one off of FunnyJunk just now. (I really don't care either way about this thing, which is why I never responded, I just found the pic funny.)


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So can you explain why you shill for billlionaires?

Lhat would totally change the mindset of homeless, with big fat loot they'll magically turn into self-disciplined, methodical, selfless model citizens!

You saying that poor people deserve what they get and that billionaries do nothing wrong is poison towards a nation.

 

[valcik]

You saying that poor people deserve what they get

That's what you wrote, not me. Cut the crap please.
Where I live there's national-wide social program helping homeless people, providing free food, basic health care, requalification, shelter with showers, and also easy manual jobs such as helping older passengers at train stations with their luggage including payment and social insurance for anybody willing to cooperate. The truth is only a small fragment of homeless people comes by, the majority refuse to wake up every day in the same time and do their part in order to deserve their social benefits. Most of them deliberately choose poor life without any duties or responsibilities. Denying this means you're denying human nature.

 

[TheHouseAlwaysWins]

That's what you wrote, not me. Cut the crap please.
Where I live there's national-wide social program helping homeless people, providing free food, basic health care, requalification, shelter with showers, and also easy manual jobs such as helping older passengers at train stations with their luggage including payment and social insurance for anybody willing to cooperate. The truth is only a small fragment of homeless people comes by, the majority refuse to wake up every day in the same time and do their part in order to deserve their social benefits. Most of them deliberately choose poor life without any duties or responsibilities. Denying this means you're denying human nature.

I was less thinking about the homeless in specific and more about the lower class generally.

In America, across the midwest and south, everyone is poor and there's not really any way to advance past it. Trade school courses cost like $15,000. So no matter how much you try you're kinda fucked depending on circumstances outside of your control. The richest people are about equal to the upper middle class in California. There is a real brain drain going on with no jobs where I live because of it.

There's going to be a lot of crises in the future and these people giving their money to some cathedrial. I realize it is an important building, and it has a lot of historical baggage, but that money could be used across the world not just for the homeless or feeding hunger, but for helping to developing infrastructure and self sufficient communities in places that are going to need it. Parts of it is wasteful to me honestly.

 

[Mr Fish]

So can you explain why you shill for billlionaires?

Trying to get a sugardaddy.

 

[Crni Vuk]

The problem of the homeless, and begging is a ticking time bomb.

*That aside and apart from the segment of humanity that intentionally chooses the life of a homeless beggar; (as opposed to being down on one's luck, and looking to recover). These people do exist, There are people who will nurture an infected wound as a meal ticket because it brings them sympathy/charity... and that's their year-round job.

Just for curiosity, have you talked to them and this is what they told you? Or do you just assume this?

There are some people that chose a live as homeless - but I would still assume that it's a minority. And it seems that homeless people have a very high number of psycholocial issues, it's difficult to make a living and steady income when you're suffering from severe depressions or some other severe mental condition, like PTDS or anxiety dissorder etc. Now try finding support for such conditions in the current US health care system.

The sad fact is that the more money a society spends on helping the homeless... the more they incentivise the choice to become homeless; by making it a viable lifestyle.

Yeah. Imagine a society where people simply had the right to exist and not just that, but to exist in dignity. What an evil society that would be.

Again. And then people wonder why at some point riots and even (violent) revolutions happen.


If am a naive dreaming leftist, then some here are utopian (classic) liberals which believe no regulations and leaving everything to the individual and/or free market will fix all issues. - Which is something even Adam Smith wouldn't agree with.

I won't denny that I am an extrimist when it comes to social issues. But I am not sure a return to the 17th or 18th century, where you have literaly no rights and no regulations, is creating a paradise for all where success is possible for everyone if all they do is simply to seize the opportunity.

You're even right in my opinion, there will always be people that you can't force into makinga living. But I do not see those people as parasites - which is actually a view that socialists share with some here. If I can't force people into working then I can at least provide them with a live in dignity. Not because we have to, but because we can. We're talking after all about a society that has probably spend more billions in to wars and failed military projects than most nations combined and then it's an issue to feed the homeless because it is a drain on society? No way Gizmo. No way.

 

[valcik]

In America, across the midwest and south, everyone is poor and there's not really any way to advance past it. Trade school courses cost like $15,000. So no matter how much you try you're kinda fucked depending on circumstances outside of your control. The richest people are about equal to the upper middle class in California. There is a real brain drain going on with no jobs where I live because of it.

Sounds pretty much as Slovakia in Yurop, more or less, so I know what you mean. There's literally less than a dozen top class billionaires in Slovakia, huge chunk of population belong to lower class with low income jobs, brain drain goes on, and even the most enlightened virtue signalling German kanake such as Vuk keep calling our country a shithole unironically which is really telling.

The only difference is that low class parents in Slovakia could provide decent education including academic degree for their kids, granted they are not junkies, drunkards, or gamblers. Our education system is much cheaper than yours, which is also reason why I don't think chopping heads of rich people is the right thing to do. Miro Trnka, one of Slovakia's millionaires and founder of successful ESET company, keeps actively supporting various IT courses and educational programs on schools all across the country, allowing even the poorest kids access to world class technology and startups. Chopping his head off would have been extremely countreproductive for us, since we can read articles as this one thanks to such great people as him:
https://www.pentalog.com/blog/IT-ranking-world-top-developers/

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

This kind of stuff, really gets the cynic out of me.

I love history, I love old structures and it's terrible when they are destroyed regardless why. But how long has it been now? 2 Days? And there have been 1 Billion Euros donated to restore it and If I understood this correctly most of the money was donated by a handfull of people. I swear this kind of stuff grinds my gears.

There is for sure no country, that has no issues. Be it with poverty, low wages, issues with the infrastructure, education, you name it. And often when I talk about those issues, it usually comes down to, It needs more money! And Who's going to pay for it?! I mean, there are people literaly dieing, because certain issues aren't fixed. And they could be fixed. Tomorrow. If simply the right people cared enough about it.

But, people are not 800 year old churches I am afraid. I guess I have to understand this. That's how it works. And I am the idiot.


Anyway, just had to get this off my chest.

Yeah where’s your god now, huh? Fuck that old pile of rubble. Let god fix it and give that money to the poor.

 

[MutantScalper]

Notre Dame is like a huge monument to the millenia of Catholic kiddie rape. So yea, of course the billions will show up from shady characters.

@Gizmojunk
I visited there. I remember especially the beggars just outside the church.

 

[Gizmojunk]

I visited there; and thankfully at the time there were no beggars—that I saw.

 

[valcik]

I won't denny that I am an extrimist

How you see yourself: Che Guevara
How anybody see you: groundskeeper Willie from The Simpsons

 

[Gizmojunk]

How anybody see you: groundskeeper Willie from The Simpsons

That might be more apt than we know...

 

[Crni Vuk]

What a coincidence, I love kilts and bag pipes too

I visited there; and thankfully at the time there were no beggars—that I saw.

PARIS (AP) — Dozens of public housing advocates protested outside the gutted Notre Dame in Paris Monday to demand that France’s poorest be remembered after donors pledged $1 billion to rebuild the cathedral and its destroyed roof.

https://www.apnews.com/b21e9857500b4f7f91c3bb1793c55847

Evil evil beggars! How could they ruin your travel experience.

 

[Octavian]

Aw yeah fuk history n shieet. We need mo money fo dem programs n shieeet...

Jk in all seriousness below post makes a lot of sense. As someone who is Vice President PF a small aid organization there are a lot of things in place that make actually helping people stupidly difficult even domestically.

Notre Dame is a building and repairs are a pretty no bullshit affair.

Social Justice, on the other hand, is fucking VAGUE as fuck, and is much more difficult to address. Like in a previous post about curing world hunger, I brought up the ridiculous issues of a rich person fighting through reams of red tape, with various governments, all while being called a an imperialist because said rich person wants to make sure the money he gives to said government actually goes to feeding people instead of being embezzled by corrupt officials.

Quite simply put, repairing a building has is a much more simple affair compared to something like the yellow vests, where you deal with tax rates, fixing loopholes, which are both bound to be red tape issues.

 

[Gizmojunk]

Evil evil beggars! How could they ruin your travel experience.

—Thankfully— means that there weren't that many people there that needed to beg; or that felt no inhibition to do so...
like we ubiquitously have now.

The only broke & homeless person I saw there—was me; (and I wasn't begging, I was touring the church; walking up that cramped spiral staircase they have on the left side, that goes to the roof).

 

[Crni Vuk]

I wouldn't be surprised if the city had a law against begging and homeless people sticking around, at least at places like Notre Dame. It's rather common in many large European cities.

It's kinda schocking how homelessness is becoming more and more criminalized in some parts of Europe recently.

 

[MutantScalper]

I wouldn't be surprised if the city had a law against begging and homeless people sticking around, at least at places like Notre Dame. It's rather common in many large European cities.

It's kinda schocking how homelessness is becoming more and more criminalized in some parts of Europe recently.

Btw I wasn't blaming the beggars/homeless/poor/etc. To me those are societal problems, so I guess I blame France for that. Plenty of beggars etc. in London too. Not so many in Nordic countries, maybe they are doing something right. Or maybe the cold winters just kill off all the beggars etc.

Living cost is pretty gd high in Nordic countries too btw partly due to high cost of electricity and shit like that.