Game Revolution previews Fallout 3

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  1. Brother None

    Brother None This ghoul has seen it all
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    Apr 3, 2003
    Game Revolution has previewed Fallout 3, using the same standard screenshots as GI did, but noting a few bits of information GI didn't provide:<blockquote>In all that time, there was one vault in particular, vault number 101, which after bolting its door, kept it shut. No one from the outside ever entered. And no one within the vault ever left. Including you, a child born to Vault 101's head scientist, voiced by Liam Neeson.
    (...)
    At about 20 years old, you discover that your father has either been taken from or escaped Vault 101.
    (...)
    The frequency of combat is tuned down far below a typical First Person Shooter's fragfest to let the game's pacing introduce a unique sense of desolation set right into the pit of your psyche as you roam through the rubble
    (...)
    During any encounter you can toggle to this Vault-tec Assisted Targeting System with the push of a button, which will freeze time and let you switch between multiple enemies and their body parts, helping you plan out your attack. Any piece of anatomy, such as a mutant's arms, legs, torso, head, or weapon can be targeted, each displaying a hit percentage dependent upon the enemy's distance, position, and stats. If you target his leg and get a critical hit, it'll blow off in gory Fallout glory, and the mutant will fall to the ground, painfully crawling in pursuit if it's still alive. If you didn't blow his weapon out of his hand, you can pick it up and use it yourself. Or if you already have a weapon of the same type, you can bust out some engineering skills, break it down into parts, and use them to beef up the strength, precision, and firing rate of your own weapon. As weapons get worn with use, this is smart option if you're skilled at it.

    The same combat engine (minus the stopping time) is available to enemies too, for they can also target your body parts to hinder your aim or movement. It is both eye and brain-catching, for while being treated to the graphically impressive Robocop-ian target scan, you'll have to decide which is the way to eliminate the biggest threats fast, because the V.A.T.S. runs out of action points. Once they're gone, you'll be fighting in real time and without assistance while your action points regenerate.</blockquote>Still unclear on how VATS works, but "plan out your attacks" sounds like it cues actions, like traditional RTwP.<blockquote>You'll also be struggling with moral dilemmas through voiced NPC dialogue choices. The number of NPCs in Fallout 3 is about 300 (as opposed to Oblivion's 1000), so Bethesda has put alot more alcohol and devtime into making their individual A.I. more realistic and natural. Instead of NPCs walking around doing very simple tasks talking basic gibberish, they will roam with more personalized agendas and socialize with other people about topics that interest them.
    (...)
    As your choices change and quests are knocked out, news of your fame (or infamy) will spread to. NPC reactions to you will also change as your title shifts from "Noob Vault Dweller" to "HaXXor - Nuker of Cities".

    With these lasting consequences, Fallout 3 is still designed to have a definite ending -- anywhere from nine to a dozen different ones are planned to net all your possible decision paths and personal insecurities. Although it is running off a shiny Oblivion engine with a few more notches on its armor, Fallout 3 is definitely its own game, so don't be confused by some of the screenshots. The camera defaults as first person view so you can be swallowed by all the little details of the blasted world, but it can be toggled with a flick of a switch to a Resident Evil 4 over-the-shoulder cam. Then you can zoom out even further to get to the franchise-beloved 3rd person perspective.

    After the hour long gameplay presentation, we were all equally surprised how far in development Fallout 3 was, even with more than a year left to finish it. It has all the makings of being the first solid bridge between the rapidly growing RPG genre and the immensely pop FPS category, with play options, paths, and ironic wit galore.</blockquote>Again, blowing up Megaton meaning there are no more quests in it stand as the only solid example of choice and consequence in the article. The "pulling back camera far enough for 3rd person perspective" is new.

    Link: Game Revolution Fallout 3 preview.

    Thanks sjvan0.
     
  2. MapMan

    MapMan It Wandered In From the Wastes

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    Feb 23, 2007
    Well I dont believe anymore that this will be a game that deserves fallout name, it MAY be a quite good post apocalyptic game though. Bethseda ruined the trilogy...
     
  3. Sander

    Sander This ghoul has seen it all
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    Jul 5, 2003
    Aha. So instead of actions depleting your action points, *time* now depletes your action points?
    Okay, then. No one can now seriously contending that this is 'strategic' and not twitch-based.
     
  4. Brother None

    Brother None This ghoul has seen it all
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    Apr 3, 2003
    I'm not reading what you're reading, Sander, that's not a definitive description that reads "VATS depletes action points with time," especially not since GI was so specific on shooting stopping regeneration of action points.

    The real news here is;
    Bird's eye view/isometric-esque is available.

    VATS can only be interpreted as cuing actions, which is standard RTwP. Innovative my ass.
     
  5. radnan

    radnan A Smooth-Skin

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    Dec 1, 2006
    I like Game Revolution but sadly this thing reads like a press release rather then a preview. :(
     
  6. Sander

    Sander This ghoul has seen it all
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    Jul 5, 2003
    "you'll have to decide which is the way to eliminate the biggest threats fast, because the V.A.T.S. runs out of action points."
    Seems pretty clear to me. Or it is yet again a journalist who doesn't understand the actual system.

    But in what way? Considering the fact that there's no mention of anything else, it's probably just a farther-away version of the over-the-shoulder cam, without mouse-controls a la KOTOR.

    But hey, we can't know for certain because no-one at Bethesda will actually clarify anything. *sigh*

    Yer.
     
  7. Brother None

    Brother None This ghoul has seen it all
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    Apr 3, 2003
    Clear that action points run out, unclear on what makes them run out.

    Yes, perhaps/probably.
     
  8. Tannhauser

    Tannhauser Venerable Relic of the Wastes
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    Mar 18, 2004
  9. Sander

    Sander This ghoul has seen it all
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    Jul 5, 2003
    Considering the 'decide fast', I can think of nothing other than time, really.
     
  10. Starwars

    Starwars Mildly Dipped

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    Sep 17, 2006
    Blergh, I wonder how much they're gonna push the whole "avoid radiation" and eat/drink thing. These things have potential of being good survival elements, but if done wrong (which I feel is what happens in most games) then it could become outrageously annoying.

    And I think what he means by the AP thing is that you best choose wisely when it comes to choosing your targets (using the VATS targeting system), because if you choose badly you'll run out of your superpow... APs fast (meaning that you perhaps wasted them on bad targeting), and be at the mercy of your own sucky FPS skills.
    Then again, it wouldn't surprise me if they do a system like what Sander says, and further suckify the combat system.
    I mean blargh... RTwP is pretty crappy generally, but this is like... An even suckier version somehow. If VATS is indeed only used to target, then I think combat will become a real snore after a while regardless of combat preferences.

    And I also doubt that the camera will be "like it was in Fallout", but I guess we could always hope it will be somehow similar. Still, it seems like the game is designed with FP/Shoulder cam in mind, so I suspect a birds eye view will work pretty crappily in that case.

    The positive thing is that they're pushing for the "choices/consequences" in the PR, but will it prove to be true? At least there is an example there (which seems to be rather extreme to), but I still remain very skeptical of how this will be implemented all in all.

    The whole "living in the Vault" and creating the character could go both ways for me.
     
  11. Per

    Per Vault Consort Staff Member Admin

    Apr 1, 2004
    I'm seriously waiting for an explanation of how these "action points" inherit the concept of AP from the original ruleset. If you can play without ever touching them, if only certain actions require you to spend them, if anything but your stats defines them, if anything except taking actions depletes them, if once you have them you can't plan how to use them at your leisure - why even call them "Action Points"? Why tag the old name to something conceptually different if not just to have something to point at and say, "look, remember those, you're happy now, right"?
     
  12. Smoke_Jaguar

    Smoke_Jaguar Look, Ma! Two Heads!

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    Mar 23, 2006
    What worries me the most is the feel of this game, and the world that you're thrown in.

    Every rpg I played had a very unique world, a world you just love for all the characters and situations they put you through, the architecture of the buildings, the spiritual movements and the implications of moral choices, not only good/bad, but most of all the "grey choices".

    Probably, there are just 3 rpgs like this for me, Fallout, of course, Planescape and Arcanum.

    But as a general rule, if a game fails to get you involved, if you don't care about the world or the characters, their actions don't move you or the story is bland, that game is just a shallow screen with pixels that talk.

    Also...Day/Night ? No mention. Night is very important in rpgs to me, but not just as a light/visual thing, but for all the quests and actions only available this time of the day.

    I also don't think Bethesda devs experianced Fallout like any of us did. I mean from all the damn interviews they claim to be Wasteland fans and RPG makers though they haven't played Fallout until Bethesda bought the license. They view it as homework and research.

    EDIT : Did anybody see the screenshot with the pip-boy up close? Those stats are really low. They want to "innovate" the stat points number too?
     
  13. draeke

    draeke It Wandered In From the Wastes

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    Dec 2, 2005

    I'm thinking that reads using VATS to make targeted shots costs ap. Not merely accessing VATS, although it could be similar to accessing inventory during combat. I don't think that's going to be it though. I think it'll just be similar to the difference in making a targeted shot and normal shot, with the reversion into realtime after expending too many APs to make any more targeted shots, wash rinse repeat, et al. I think this was compared to red dead revolver. It could also be just like tictacs.

    But in what way? Considering the fact that there's no mention of anything else, it's probably just a farther-away version of the over-the-shoulder cam, without mouse-controls a la KOTOR. [/quote]

    Indeed, that is the best news I've heard yet.
     
  14. Brother None

    Brother None This ghoul has seen it all
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    Apr 3, 2003
    So taking actions inside paused mode? No, the article doesn't read like that, it says you *plan* your attacks, not take them in paused mode.
     
  15. DirtyDreamDesigner

    DirtyDreamDesigner Venerable Relic of the Wastes
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    Apr 15, 2005
    No, not really. Essentially, this game is an FPS, it has real time combat (leaving the questions about the pause for the moment), that means that you have to be able to see your enemies to react to them accordingly. In iso you cannot see the same things your character can see and therefore can't react. Over the shoulder works in this case, but changing the angle of view to anything that limits seeing what the character sees doesn't.
     
  16. Silencer

    Silencer Night Watchman Staff Member Admin

    Nov 7, 2003
    Wow, now that's an accomplishment. On the other hand, it might get boring. Ow wait, FPS? :roll:


    OK, so it's real time with pause. Bye-bye turns!

    And what will be the number of voice actors, as opposed to Oblivion's dozen?


    I'll believe it when I see it ;)



    I want to believe.

    That this nomenclature is a joke.


    Not said if it's izo or just a long-distance back view.

    NOW I am scared.
     
  17. VDweller

    VDweller Look, Ma! Two Heads!

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    Oct 31, 2005
    Are you sure that "3rd person perspective" means isometric, Brother None? I mean, look at the screens, especially the one with the broken house. There is no fucking way you can move the camera to get the isometric view.
     
  18. Brother None

    Brother None This ghoul has seen it all
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    Apr 3, 2003
    I was, but no, not anymore. It sounds more like it's extremely far-away over-the-shoulder view, and that the Game Revolution people somehow think that's isometric.
     
  19. requiem_for_a_starfury

    requiem_for_a_starfury So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs

    Apr 3, 2003
    7 points short. Either a demo 'mock up' or SPECIAL is totally gutted.

    Even in 'extremely far-away over-the-shoulder view' you'd have difficulty selecting a target with cross hairs. Unless that view has limited availablity. Or you don't have traditional FPS control.
     
  20. Stag

    Stag Guest

    Every time I hear something new about Fallout 3, it makes me want to believe. This news is promising, provided Sander isn't right.