PaladinHeart
Mildly Dipped
At least the animations couldn't possibly be as bad as Morrowind, where everyone walks like a wooden toy and runs on their tip-toes.
Gamepro.fr plays Fallout 3
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Mildly Dipped
MrBumble said:
This is something they can learn from Blizzard. Although World Of Warcraft is not as graphically advanced, they have some of the best character animations around. Even with the technical limitations, they still manage to make the whole game look good with interesting textures and a unique graphical style. Style, I'm afraid, even Fallout 1 & 2 managed better.
The preview sure has a lot of 'deception'.
aenemic
Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!
I find it funny how people who claim that graphics aren't important and seem to prefer 2D over 3D can get so upset about the graphics in this game. clearly the graphics are good. sure, the animations seem a bit awkward at times, but seriously.... does it really matter?
whirlingdervish
Brahmin Cavalry Commander
yes it does. when the game is marketted as being next-gen and having amazing graphics, it better have something other than bloom to support that assertion.
the distinction you are missing here, is that the 2d animations of Fallout and Fallout 2 were very well made and looked great at the time compared to what others were doing, whereas the 3d animations of Fallout 3 are sub par for the genre and way below the line for an FPS game that is coming out in 2008.
the distinction you are missing here, is that the 2d animations of Fallout and Fallout 2 were very well made and looked great at the time compared to what others were doing, whereas the 3d animations of Fallout 3 are sub par for the genre and way below the line for an FPS game that is coming out in 2008.
anaemic said:
well, when they rub their graphics in everyones and their dogs faces given the opportunity, yes, i guess it matters. i think most people see a certain graphical standard as a given in an aaa title, so it would be nice to see some other USP than always the same yadda yadda about how great their graphics are, in bethesdas case, their chunksposions. and sad as it is, ragdolls have had their time in halflife 2's physics engine, thus raising the market standard. so, every game has its physics engine and their ragdolls. whats new?
alsoplustoo, if a market standard is poorly executed, what excuse do they offer for that? is it a downtrade because so much time was eaten up in the dialog system or the choice/consequence branches? hell ifi i know, all we know is they praise their fairly antiquated graphics engine.
aenemic said:
beth coulda avoid all the animationz/texture/graphic criticism, they choose to make a FPS game, next gen shit and all.... should i compare FO3 with Crysis, Stalker, Bioshock?... in this case yes.... when it comes to FO1&2 i dont care about graphics, btw i still play FO2 and i have a level 70 character
aenemic said:
When we've been told time and again that the perspective and presentation overhaul is because "it's more immersive", "it's what gamers have come to expect" and so on, and some people think it looks a bit junk after all, do you really think "does it really matter" is the most appropriate answer?
It may not matter at all when playing, but it could still be worth pointing out in a larger context.
aenemic
Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!
well, the thing is simply that by pointing out these flaws, you're just "lowering" yourself to the crowd you blame for things being this way to begin with. that sounded weird, I know. but I hope you get what I mean. you're promised good graphics and you expect good graphics because it's standard... well, same goes for everyone with an Xbox and everyone looking forward to the next Halo game.
personally, I love good graphics but it's not something I judge a game by. if the graphics aren't top-notch in a game like this I'd like to think it's because they've put more effort into other parts, such as game mechanics, story, etc.
I didn't say it like that, no need to take it as criticism. hell, one of the best looking games ever for me is the first Baldur's Gate.
it's just the general impression I got. sorry if I offended anyone.
and yes, I think Fallout 3 looks great graphically. the environments look really nice and the textures look fairly good. I can imagine the character animations being a bit awkward because that's simply not something Bethesda does well, but like I said it doesn't bother me.
personally, I love good graphics but it's not something I judge a game by. if the graphics aren't top-notch in a game like this I'd like to think it's because they've put more effort into other parts, such as game mechanics, story, etc.
Black said:
I didn't say it like that, no need to take it as criticism. hell, one of the best looking games ever for me is the first Baldur's Gate.
it's just the general impression I got. sorry if I offended anyone.
and yes, I think Fallout 3 looks great graphically. the environments look really nice and the textures look fairly good. I can imagine the character animations being a bit awkward because that's simply not something Bethesda does well, but like I said it doesn't bother me.
aenemic said:
Well, what do you suggest fans of a licence should do iif a company goes and buys that licence and totally modifies it without ever giving half a rat's ass about the fans just to "do what they do best" and in the end it appears that they are not even capable to do what they do best decently ? Should they just shut up ?
aenemic said:
Oh, it's hard to believe that this impression of yours is based on observations. Maybe because I don't see NMA'ers screaming "3D sucks, 2D forever!". Next time try to make your "observations" based on what's going on, not based on your wild imagintion.
I asked, compared to what? Crysis? New Stalker?
Is it just me or does the European game press seem to take their jobs a bit more seriously than their American and Australian counter parts?
The only previews I've read that weren't virtual blow jobs for Bethesda come from Europe.
Oh, and when you make a zillion statements about how 1st person perspective offers more IMMERSHION than those old 2d games, then you damn well better deliver on the graphics.
When you make a first person shooter, you're judged against the rest of the offerings in the genre.
The only previews I've read that weren't virtual blow jobs for Bethesda come from Europe.
Oh, and when you make a zillion statements about how 1st person perspective offers more IMMERSHION than those old 2d games, then you damn well better deliver on the graphics.
When you make a first person shooter, you're judged against the rest of the offerings in the genre.
Well I picked up the new PCGameplay Summer Special today (PCGameplay is a big magazine here).
There is absolutely nothing new in it and it feels like a promo piece to Fallout 3, I don't need to bother to scan or translate it.
There is absolutely nothing new in it and it feels like a promo piece to Fallout 3, I don't need to bother to scan or translate it.
That's because the media is very glossed over here in the west, a lot of publishers pay the journalists expenses, so a certain degree of brown nosing is required.
Hence the over amount of positive feedback the asshatery known as fallout 3 has recieved.
It's still humourous to think that this is paraded around as a "next gen game" yet there are games that are near two years old that look the same(oblivion) or worse than(Gears of war, although it's really only a year and a half old) You'd figure with the time frame that they've had that they would you know, actually have somewhat decent animation and graphics.
Hence the over amount of positive feedback the asshatery known as fallout 3 has recieved.
It's still humourous to think that this is paraded around as a "next gen game" yet there are games that are near two years old that look the same(oblivion) or worse than(Gears of war, although it's really only a year and a half old) You'd figure with the time frame that they've had that they would you know, actually have somewhat decent animation and graphics.
Polish that head
I REALLY (for Beth's sake if nothing else, although I would hate for F3 too suck - we have more or less been crapped on since 1998 if you ask me. We 'deserve' a good game by now...) hope that Beth will 'polish' their game of these...mishaps.
Or that the French overstated what was wrong in the preview.
If they do release F3 with the following 'premiums':
* characters walk with more silliness than in Oblivion
* braindead AI like what was released like four years ago
* boring animations (maybe I'm morbid, but anyway)
* not so awesomnish grauphixz as toted and whooped over
* Dull storyline
* everybody has that 'special' face that makes you want to cry. For them.
- They really will have taken a shit in their own lap. And after that, nobody should ever respect them as a game-producing company.
When we get our hands on this game, I hope we don't have to cut them off afterwards...
I REALLY (for Beth's sake if nothing else, although I would hate for F3 too suck - we have more or less been crapped on since 1998 if you ask me. We 'deserve' a good game by now...) hope that Beth will 'polish' their game of these...mishaps.
Or that the French overstated what was wrong in the preview.
If they do release F3 with the following 'premiums':
* characters walk with more silliness than in Oblivion
* braindead AI like what was released like four years ago
* boring animations (maybe I'm morbid, but anyway)
* not so awesomnish grauphixz as toted and whooped over
* Dull storyline
* everybody has that 'special' face that makes you want to cry. For them.
- They really will have taken a shit in their own lap. And after that, nobody should ever respect them as a game-producing company.
When we get our hands on this game, I hope we don't have to cut them off afterwards...
entropyjesus
First time out of the vault
Re: Polish that head
Well according to Gamebryo's physics, after you cut them off they will bounce around on the ground 3 or 4 times then cause a mini nuclear explosion when they bump into a 200 year old vehicle.
Boosta said:
Well according to Gamebryo's physics, after you cut them off they will bounce around on the ground 3 or 4 times then cause a mini nuclear explosion when they bump into a 200 year old vehicle.
FeelTheRads
Vault Senior Citizen
Let's not confuse things here. Oblivion and I assume Fallout 3 also, use the Havok physics engine which is otherwise an excellent engine, except Bethesda managed to make even that look bad. The level of incompetency there is impressive.
entropyjesus
First time out of the vault
Then I'll further amend it and say "...according to Bethesda's brilliant coding and flawless design..."
The Dutch Ghost said:
Nooooo you must!