Gamespot doesn't get it!

Thorsen, surely you realize one of the contributing factors to the demise of the Fallout series is because of BOS in the first place? Interplay came to the conclusion that the franchise was best suited to a run and gun action shooter for consoles -- hence BOS, and most likely BOS 2. Despite the fact that the franchise became popular because the original Fallouts were such deep and memorable RPG's.

We're probably over reacting, but the comments suggesting people can take comfort in the fact that BOS is still being made are painfully ironic, if not completely naive.

It's good you guys got the word out about FO3 in the first place though. A lot of people probably wouldn't even know it was being made or subsequently cancelled if it wasn't for the info on Gamespot. :ok:
 
erm..Gamespot didn't inform us, we knew before they knew..

I've got no problem with Gamespot, BUT statements like this only shows us the true face of their "journalist" and Gamespots true spirit...


Its this reply in reference to my recent post! I guess either you didnt read through all the post or you didnt catch the satire behind it!
 
By the way where's the CreATOR of this site? I know he's called Miroslav and i dont think he will agree with what his members have posted on this forum. Dont worry Thorsten we are all just naive gamers with rigid views. Its a very frustrating moment after all. I am sure Miroslav will agree if he is around and Kasavin will understand.
 
Thorsen, surely you realize one of the contributing factors to the demise of the Fallout series is because of BOS in the first place? Interplay came to the conclusion that the franchise was best suited to a run and gun action shooter for consoles -- hence BOS, and most likely BOS 2. Despite the fact that the franchise became popular because the original Fallouts were such deep and memorable RPG's.
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I totally agree, but that doesn't change the fact it looks like a good action RPG like BG: Dark Allaince. Unfortunately, any pleasure I derive from it will be marred by guilt about its origins. I'm deffly not going buy it--will either borrow the review copy or gamefly it.

I think what Greg was trying to say was that FO fans can take some comfort in knowing the franchise isn't totally dead. Granted, at this stage, that's some pretty cold comfort....

Profressionally, the FO/BIS fiasco is a really compelling news story. Personally, it's just depressing.

Here's the piece, btw.
http://www.gamespot.com/pc/rpg/fallout3/news_6085620.html
 
thorsen-ink said:
are as heartbroken as anyone about BIS getting whacked and FO3 getting cancelled.
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Sure you are, yet you still can seem to grasp the simple fact that it was Fbos that have contributed to the fact that several people got the sack and our beloved Fallout 3 got canned, If you knew what we knew then you probably would have understood. But I also know that because you guys rely on good relationships with gaming companies, you can't tell the truth.

Face it, when you've first gone down that road then you've turned your head to the first principle of journalism.. Be honest and state your opinion!

Sure I can understand Gamespot wanting to milk money from people because they need to cover expenses etc..etc.. BUT going back on your principles just to please the gaming company, well then...the shit will hit the fan..

Look around and see what the fans of Fallout say about Fbos, print that and also print many of the things we write, because we actually do investigate these stuff.. If you got the balls to stand up for Fallout, then I will applaud you Tor..

If not, get the fack out of my house with your mumbo jumbo bullshit, it's all smoke and mirrors and you know it..
 
spadger said:
By the way where's the CreATOR of this site? I know he's called Miroslav and i dont think he will agree with what his members have posted on this forum. Dont worry Thorsten we are all just naive gamers with rigid views. Its a very frustrating moment after all. I am sure Miroslav will agree if he is around and Kasavin will understand.
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Wioooh, hey, horsey, take a step back here

You don't know Miroslav, at all. He appointed people like me, Odin and Rosh to this site personally and we've worked alongside him for years.

Fair judgement has it he generally holds the same views as, say, Odin. Capiche? Please be silent on subjects you know nothing of.
 
spadger said:
By the way where's the CreATOR of this site? I know he's called Miroslav and i dont think he will agree with what his members have posted on this forum. Dont worry Thorsten we are all just naive gamers with rigid views. Its a very frustrating moment after all. I am sure Miroslav will agree if he is around and Kasavin will understand.
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You know what, listen carefully I'll only say this once...ssshh..
 
SO STFU cos I know Miroslav through what he post and he wont agree with the flaming u guys are doing especially at another respectable webpage. Thx God for getting me clear on this as i almost thought the great creator is a flamming *** like Odin. I want Miroslav back on the board and putting some integrety back into it by posting his on oppinion, right now its run by goons that are too conceited by their own oppinions without even thinking outside the box. I would like to apologize on behalf of Miroslav because i know hes a rational person, as i have known he since i been to this site like 4 years ago. IF YOU ARE WONDERING HOW I EVEN KNOW THE CREATor. And to the administrator trusted with your power by Miroslav pls do your best to uphold the integrity of this site! Odin Ur flaming is getting worst and more irrational, and i have 100s of ideas to retort you but i wont because its aparent that your pride is probably too thick to swallow them. I would again like to apologize on behalf of Miroslav for this and even if you guys dont think i have the rights.
 
ANd its hard to believe all this bickering started from a simple post about Kasavin's preview on BOS. People just let their imagination runs wild and started up ideas like conspiracy and all that which doesnt exist in the first place. I understand if their dissent is legit but this one was simply uncalled for. I guess we must all find a scape goat to dish our pain on in this time but taking on someone like Kasavin(and unfairly so) is just unacceptable. As administrator you should know better. Had you been a normal member, i guess this sort of blatant accussing is acceptable. This is a huge fan site, and insulting another website for such trivial staements as administrator is just unacceptable.
 
Now where have I flamed anyone ? Do tell me..

Oh and I know Miroslav's opinion about this, hell he was one of the first to say his opinion about Tactics..oh no, he also posted some negative opinions..OMG..I guess your whole world just crumbled..

Guess what spadger, I've been running this site for more than two years now. With Miroslav's full confidence, so that makes me a co-owner of NMA..geeh...
 
If you got the balls to stand up for Fallout, then I will applaud you Tor..
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Uh, have you read anything I've written?

http://www.gamespot.com/pc/rpg/fallout3/news_6085620.html
http://www.gamespot.com/pc/rpg/fallout3/news_6085243.html
http://www.gamespot.com/pc/rpg/fallout3/news_6081708.html

If you had, it would be pretty obvious that I have been doing my damndest to bring this story tp the public's attention. I even dropped the objective guise journalists are supposed to have and did a GameSpotting on how it would be a tragedy if it FO3 cancelled.

http://www.gamespot.com/features/6084158/p-2.html

If that's not standing up for FO3, I'm not sure what is....

Face it, when you've first gone down that road then you've turned your head to the first principle of journalism.. Be honest and state your opinion!
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I'm just saying that BOS looked like a pretty enjoyable consoler were it not for the role it played in FO3 getting axed. That's not going back on principles. That IS my opinion. I'm not a reviewer and I'm not telling anyone else to go buy it. By all means, don't!

If not, get the fack out of my house with your mumbo jumbo bullshit, it's all smoke and mirrors and you know it.
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Mumbo jumbo? What are you talking about? All I've said is that I think BOS doesn't look bad for a console RPG,. Does it suck that Iinterplay decided to s-can Fo3 in favor of it? Of course it does! Is it a sad day for RPG fans everywhere? Hell yes. Do I personally feel depressed about it? I do. I'm not sure what "smoke and mirrors" you're talking about. I was just trying to help get the word out about this tragic turn of events and I don't appreciate the insults.
 
seriously? Than i want to see him post personally and listen to his oppinion, oh by the way, i hate it when people look at one tiny mistake made by a reviewer and hammer him away for it. Even though i dont see it as a mistake as a die hard fallout fan i still see him as a reviewer doing what he needs to do. Why dont you look at the 100 good things they bring to fallout gamers and they mentioned about fallout games instead. Why dont you heap praise on them for their efforts especially torsten recent effort to help inform gamers and participate in a petition? So you want to fight this battle on your own and think you are tough enough to handle it alone? I seriously dont think miroslav will condone to this!
 
thorsen-ink said:
Uh, have you read anything I've written?

If you had, it would be pretty obvious that I have been doing my damndest to bring this story tp the public's attention. I even dropped the objective guise journalists are supposed to have and did a GameSpotting on how it would be a tragedy if it FO3 cancelled.
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Yup I have and kudos on that..

Does it suck that Iinterplay decided to s-can Fo3 in favor of it? Of course it does!
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Then write about that!

I was just trying to help get the word out about this tragic turn of events and I don't appreciate the insults.
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Actually it wasn't an insult, my point is simple. You have never written anything about the fact that IPLY have switched it's focus on consoles rather than PC titles, now why you might ask.. Take a look at the last weeks posts, especially read the one about the fine look at the financial of IPLY..and if you're good enough you'll spot the little white rabbit...

Now go write about that story for a change, got the balls to do that ?
 
The Fallout fanbase has a reputation for being notoriously difficult to please, Thorsen. I appreciate you bringing these news stories to the front, hopefully you'll continue to do so.
Something like FO:POS though, does not even qualify as being in the 'fallout universe', though, apart from in name. It is sticking two fingers up at all the fans that the fallout series has accumlated, and then doing it again when they CANCEL fallout 3 for this trash.
 
spadger said:
seriously? Than i want to see him post personally and listen to his oppinion, oh by the way, i hate it when people look at one tiny mistake made by a reviewer and hammer him away for it. Even though i dont see it as a mistake as a die hard fallout fan i still see him as a reviewer doing what he needs to do. Why dont you look at the 100 good things they bring to fallout gamers and they mentioned about fallout games instead. Why dont you heap praise on them for their efforts especially torsten recent effort to help inform gamers and participate in a petition? So you want to fight this battle on your own and think you are tough enough to handle it alone? I seriously dont think miroslav will condone to this!
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You know what spadger, I've been around this site since it started. First as a lurker, then I got involved around the time Tactics started. Miroslav have demonstrated that he's not interested in NMA anymore and since I've run it, at time alone, from his military times it was obvious that I had to run this or let it die.. Now I'm not about to do that, because I love Fallout and I've loved NMA from the start..

If you want to debate this, by all means do.. But do it on PMs, you've got a problem with me, do email/pm me about it.

I applaud Gamespots coverage on Fallout and of course I don't mind the fact that they post about my site, YET I do demand the right to say what I will on my site. And guess what, I'm not the only one who have the opinion that I have..

I'm guessing that if a former Bis developer came into this thread and said "right on Odin!", then there would be another tune coming out of your whistle..
 
spadger said:
seriously? Than i want to see him post personally and listen to his oppinion, oh by the way, i hate it when people look at one tiny mistake made by a reviewer and hammer him away for it. Even though i dont see it as a mistake as a die hard fallout fan i still see him as a reviewer doing what he needs to do. Why dont you look at the 100 good things they bring to fallout gamers and they mentioned about fallout games instead. Why dont you heap praise on them for their efforts especially torsten recent effort to help inform gamers and participate in a petition? So you want to fight this battle on your own and think you are tough enough to handle it alone? I seriously dont think miroslav will condone to this!
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Are you joking around or what? Read through the forum archives, this place has been the same way for a long time, even when Miroslav was pretty active.

I think you're blowing the Gamespot thing out of proportion as well at this point. A few people have stated negative opinions, a few positive, a few neutral - what's the big deal? Unless you're Greg Kasavin you're taking these comments way too seriously.
 
@thorsen

A lot of the anger has to do with implying that existing Fallout fans will be glad to have the Fallout world continue with games like FO:BOS and FO:BOS 2.

It seems to me that Fallout fans are the last people on earth that these games are being made to appeal to. You point out that BG: DA as a good game that made an rpg to action conversion. But the makers of that game didn't sell out that universe by having all the females wear chain bikinis and giving dwarves flamethrowers while playing heavy metal music in the background.

Why don't you write an article about why existing Fallout fans are mad about BOS, and reference the FAQ which explains many of these things in detail?

EDIT:
Link to FAQ I was talking about- thanks to Dan for posting it on this thread (looked forever for it but couldn't find it)

http://fmf.knightcommand.net/index.php?chapter=27_things_about_fobos
 
Miroslav have demonstrated that he's not interested in NMA anymore and since I've run it, at time alone, from his military times it was obvious that I had to run this or let it die.. Now I'm not about to do that, because I love Fallout and I've loved NMA from the start..

You know what now that you say it i actually respect you, but know that somethings you said might be particularly offensive to someone in particular me, thats because i have grew up reading Kasavins article and my love for Rpgs tied to that. I see this only as a blessing in disguise because we even get the attention of a gamespot member now. Its not my business to do so but get as much support as you can especially now that gamespot is seriously lending out a hand. Then again now that Miroslav is gone i must thank you for maintaining the site and not letting it rot. This is my first time back on NMA in over a year and i am glad to see that it hasn't deteriorated. All thx to your dedication Odin, i give credit where its due.
 
spadger said:
erm..Gamespot didn't inform us, we knew before they knew..
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A bit slow aren't you? I said a lot of people. As in people that don't visit the fansites and were hearing the news for the first time. :wink:

Thorsen wrote: I totally agree, but that doesn't change the fact it looks like a good action RPG like BG: Dark Allaince. Unfortunately, any pleasure I derive from it will be marred by guilt about its origins. I'm deffly not going buy it--will either borrow the review copy or gamefly it.

I think what Greg was trying to say was that FO fans can take some comfort in knowing the franchise isn't totally dead. Granted, at this stage, that's some pretty cold comfort....

Profressionally, the FO/BIS fiasco is a really compelling news story. Personally, it's just depressing.

Here's the piece, btw.
http://www.gamespot.com/pc/rpg/fallout3/news_6085620.html
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I understand you and the reviewers at Gamespot have to remain as objective as possible when dealing with the products you review. That is journalistic integrity after all. Good to hear you do aknowledge the correlation between the death of FO3, and BOS on a personal level though.

Odin, I understand you're pissed off about this whole situation like the rest of us, but having Gamespot at least aknowledge what happened with FO3 is a good thing for Fallout and us either way, even if it isn't as blunt as we'd like.
 
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