Gamestar.de interviews Pete Hines

[Kyuu]

I don't think I'll be able to agree with you but I re-read the rules and I won't post anymore inflammatory comments.

Might want to start by re-reading the part about not double posting.

Also, "keeping an open mind" is not synonymous with what you're actually advocating, which is "keep an unabashedly optimistic viewpoint no matter how much evidence is provided to contradict said viewpoint." This whole mentality that everyone should sit-down and shut-up and never voice criticisms or concerns because everyone should be head-up-the-ass optimists all the time is ridiculous.

You're entitled to your opinion, and no one claimed otherwise. But that doesn't mean the rest of us aren't allowed to have ours, even if their negativity somehow offends you.

 

[Sander]

I don't have preconcieved notions of this place. I've been reading here off and on for several years. I've only begun posting recently because I was never able to activate an account. I'm a hotmail user but that was taken care of. So if you were wondering, no I'm not a bethesda fan boy here to stir up trouble. However your no assumption policy appears to have now become defunct.

No it hasn't. We're basing all our judgements off of information that has already been released by Bethesda, not off of baseless assumptions. I'd say that when Bethesda releases information, it's fair to criticise that information.

I'm not here to tell you how to behave, I'm saying try and have an open mind. I'd rather look for things in life that I enjoy as compared to finding nothing but what I find to be wrong.

That's not the same as 'have an open mind'. That's 'look at everything positively until proven wrong'.
Most of us feel that Bethesda has already proven the positive as wrong.


Also, don't double post.

 

[Brother None]

I don't think I'll be able to agree with you but I re-read the rules and I won't post anymore inflammatory comments.

Points have already been made about the difference about keeping an open mind and defaulting to being positive. You can ask people to do the former quite reasonably, but what you're asking if people to do the latter, and that's simply not fair.

As long as you follow the rules you can do and say whatever you want, though.

 

[Morbus]

Sorry to interrupt:

I've been reading here off and on for several years.

Let us assume you are speaking the truth. So...

However your no assumption policy appears to have now become defunct.

By saying this you appear to know and agree that that "no assumption policy" did exist for a time. I am a somewhat frequent NMA reader and poster and I can confirm it did exist. As of now, and you are right in that, that policy is dead. Let us look at the reasons for its passing, shall we?

You previously stated that NMA posters used to frequent this place out of love for Fallout. Now they seem, in your words, to come here just for bethesda bashing. While I have no doubt you are not actually generalizing and you have in mind there's no rule without an exception, I still think this is a dire accusation, specially considering you are apposing to different things that, in my opinion, are not directly contradictory. This means, of course, that someone may love fallout and hate bethesda at the same time.

In my eyes, NMA posters (just like what happened, and you should now that very well, with FOPOS, some years ago) are bashing bethesda because they love and care about Fallout, because they are fans and they have minds of their own (well, most of them...) that make them dislike or don't agree with what bethesda is doing to the franchise. Also, Bethesda's past is SURELY not very bright for a company who is developing a Fallout title, and that is the reason why so many (including me) thought the world would end when bethesda aquired the license. However, just like me, and as Brother None said, most of those people gave the game a chance, most of them kept browsing for news, for interviews, previews and things like that, because they thought there was still hope for Fallout 3. Remember, this is not the codex, this is NMA, and posters here are (or were) still a bit affected by their love for fallout: that's what kept their hope, and that's what still keeps some of them's hope going, still expecting Fallout 3 to be a good Fallout game.

Now, I cannot, by any means, agree with you when you say there is a "get along or get out" policy here. As Brother None said, you are entitled to your own opinions and ideals as long as you present them in a decent fashion. There are a lot of posters, as he said, that don't agree with the mythical mainstream NMA ideology (mythical because it doesn't actually exist, as you should know) and that express their opinions, sometimes (not many times, but sometimes) breeding interesting discussions that surely makes NMA a better place.

As for better places, NMA suffers from posters that don't respect other's opinions. And don't think those kind of posters only come from the "bethesda's side", I've seen some "bethesda bashers" get warned for being asses, and I've seen flames from both sides getting quenched with bans and warnings. It is unfair to say that anyone who likes Fallout 3 or Bethesda gets immediately banned or attacked because that's not the truth. Truth is, however, that most of Bethesda/Fallout 3 fans that come in here are arrogant and self righteous. In my opinion, at least.

If you don't believe, compare the quality of the discussions from NMA and the official Fallout 3 forums, and tell me what are the best ones. I don't want you to tell me your opinion about it, I'd just like that you (and other Fallout 3 fans) would be a little bit more honest with yourselves... Well, at least in my way of seeing it.

Thanks for reading.

 

[Seeks]

I seem to see this "we censor you if you don't bring anything new to the table" argument a lot. Which is why I wonder if any of those "I'm never going to buy this game" or "Fuck Bethesda!" folks have ever been censored at all. Oh well, I guess those are intelligent statements.

And by the by, pretending to be even-handed while having a rule that basically says "Don't piss us off" is pretty fucking stupid.

Of course, if those aforementioned posters have been censored, then my apologies.

 

[Sander]

I seem to see this "we censor you if you don't bring anything new to the table" argument a lot.

That's not the reason for vatting your post. The reason for vatting your post was you coming here, and re-hashing old, false arguments in a trolling manner.

Which is why I wonder if any of those "I'm never going to buy this game" or "Fuck Bethesda!" folks have ever been censored at all.

Yes they have, which makes the rest of your new whine completely irrelevant.

Oh well, I guess those are intelligent statements.

And by the by, pretending to be even-handed while having a rule that basically says "Don't piss us off" is pretty fucking stupid.

Have any more trolls you want to fling our way?

 

[SuAside]

not 'censored' as much as Vatted. so they're still around to be read, just not cluttering up threads.

 

[Seeks]

Huh. That Vatted system's kinda cool actually.

Have any more trolls you want to fling our way?

Listen, it's real cute that you've learned to hide behind words like "Troll" when you can't come up with any genuine rebuttals or defeat legitimate arguments, but you're not doing yourself any favors by keeping your head in the sand like that.

And it's not even like you can't, either. Perfect example is that, evidently, you do censor anti-beth cheerleaders (though I'm pretty much just going to have to take you at your word, since I've never seen it happen). I'll admit (and did, at the time) to being ignorant of such things.

It's mostly just the favoritism. I've never seen so much use of the word "troll." Not only that, more often that not it's applied incorrectly. If you don't like someone else's take on a situation, tough shit. They aren't a "troll" because they disagree with you and the majority of other posters (or at least, "regulars").

And no, redefining what a "troll" is doesn't make it any less true.

 

[Sander]

Listen, it's real cute that you've learned to hide behind words like "Troll" when you can't come up with any genuine rebuttals or defeat legitimate arguments, but you're not doing yourself any favors by keeping your head in the sand like that.

And it's not even like you can't, either. Perfect example is that, evidently, you do censor anti-beth cheerleaders (though I'm pretty much just going to have to take you at your word, since I've never seen it happen). I'll admit (and did, at the time) to being ignorant of such things.

It's mostly just the favoritism. I've never seen so much use of the word "troll." Not only that, more often that not it's applied incorrectly. If you don't like someone else's take on a situation, tough shit. They aren't a "troll" because they disagree with you and the majority of other posters (or at least, "regulars").

And no, redefining what a "troll" is doesn't make it any less true.

*sigh*
Not this horseshit again.
A troll is any post that is meant to elicit a reaction, and only that. Now I'm sorry, but what the hell do you think to accomplish with 'You're not even-handed! You censor everybody who pisses you off!'
That's right, you're trying to get a reaction from mods or admins. You're not trying to seriously debate anything, because if you were, you would've actually gotten examples or those actual rules. You didn't. You were trolling. Get over it.

By the way, a troll is a troll, we treat all of them the same way. If someone comes in here just to say 'Beth is a whore! Fuck her!' without any content, it usually gets vatted. The same goes for anyone who goes 'You're all just losers, the game's not even out yet, look at all the shiny shiny previews'.