That's not necessarily true. I believe that if B/Z already filed for an injunction, then the grounds for that injuction i.e. the original contract, would become a matter of public record along with any other documentation that supports their argument. If it does not, then GCG may include that as supporting documentation as part of their response. Also, GCG may counter-motion under rule 11 for dismissal and damages, and B/Z's injunction may never see the light of day. Either way, both sides are going to argue and the contract is going to be part of one side's documentation. So, we should get to see it after both sides arguments are heard. This is probably nothing more than legal maneuvering on B/Z's part to delay the release of GCG's product , which they think is going to suck and hurt their brand's image. I'd say it's more of a PR move than monetarily motivated for the moment. B/Z is more concerned with GCG putting out a crappy product which could tarnish their image and impact sales at this point. B/Z only stands to lose if their release is a big success, which would more than likely increase sales for GCG, of which B/Z wouldn't be getting a piece of. This could be a really shrewd move on B/Z's part too. If they keep GCG tied up in court and unable to release their product, they may want to offload it for cheap and B/Z could turn around and mod and release it as their own. It really all depends on how much GCG's operating budget is tied up in their release and who the original contract supports. Either way, I think B/Z is getting what they want by trying to delay the pnp release, so at the very least the two are more disassociated. I think it's a win/win for B/Z, and even more so if they ultimately want the rights to the pnp ip. I've said too much already. I may be giving B/Z way too much credit for a powerplay they might or might not be making. I'm sure they're just greedy bastards anyway, we know how they operate. Getting to read the contract though, we'll probably get to see it, we'll just have to wait.
Glutton Creeper's Fallout PnP shut down?
- Thread starter Tannhauser
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That's not necessarily true. I believe that if B/Z already filed for an injunction, then the grounds for that injuction i.e. the original contract, would become a matter of public record along with any other documentation that supports their argument. If it does not, then GCG may include that as supporting documentation as part of their response. Also, GCG may counter-motion under rule 11 for dismissal and damages, and B/Z's injunction may never see the light of day. Either way, both sides are going to argue and the contract is going to be part of one side's documentation. So, we should get to see it after both sides arguments are heard. This is probably nothing more than legal maneuvering on B/Z's part to delay the release of GCG's product , which they think is going to suck and hurt their brand's image. I'd say it's more of a PR move than monetarily motivated for the moment. B/Z is more concerned with GCG putting out a crappy product which could tarnish their image and impact sales at this point. B/Z only stands to lose if their release is a big success, which would more than likely increase sales for GCG, of which B/Z wouldn't be getting a piece of. This could be a really shrewd move on B/Z's part too. If they keep GCG tied up in court and unable to release their product, they may want to offload it for cheap and B/Z could turn around and mod and release it as their own. It really all depends on how much GCG's operating budget is tied up in their release and who the original contract supports. Either way, I think B/Z is getting what they want by trying to delay the pnp release, so at the very least the two are more disassociated. I think it's a win/win for B/Z, and even more so if they ultimately want the rights to the pnp ip. I've said too much already. I may be giving B/Z way too much credit for a powerplay they might or might not be making. I'm sure they're just greedy bastards anyway, we know how they operate. Getting to read the contract though, we'll probably get to see it, we'll just have to wait.
Sytxferryman
Still Mildly Glowing
alec said:
/agreed 500%
Glutton Creeper Games said:
If this is a sign of the road Bethesda is taking, not just making Fallout but also protecting it from others that damage its image, that is a good sign... but who's to say that if they don't portray the Fallout image their selves they will sue their selves?
Regardless, I will take this as a good sign at least for now... anything protection against anything negative about Fallout's image should be a good thing. I think that GCG will resolve the parts that don't fit into the Fallout universe though... probably redo some art, redo the game play, and other things. Who knows? If they force their hand enough it might be something worth buying a few copies of if in Fallout's real image.
A d20 PnP Fallout isn't part of the series. It's a spin-off at best case.
So I'm not worried about it's quality at all. Same at the handy version of Fallout 0.
Both are too far away from the series to bother me.
And I can't see Bethesda's point here.
How bad is Fallout 3, when they have to fear such games?
So I'm not worried about it's quality at all. Same at the handy version of Fallout 0.
Both are too far away from the series to bother me.
And I can't see Bethesda's point here.
How bad is Fallout 3, when they have to fear such games?
Havok, don't double post. If your brain is teeming with more comments press the conveniently placed 'Edit' button and then spew away.
Endless Void
It Wandered In From the Wastes
Am I the only one thinking Bethesda is trying to get in good terms with FO fans? 'Cause if they are watching us they already know how much hatred was spat on the GCG's Fallout PnP... So maybe they want us to think they *do* care about the precious license they hold...
P.S. : Bah! Nevermind... I'm just being paranoid again...
P.S. : Bah! Nevermind... I'm just being paranoid again...
Tannhauser said:
Now we discover that ZeniMax Media/Bethesda is stating that Interplay never had the rights to license a Pen and Paper to GCG under their license of Fallout.
Tannhauser said:
Yes indeed, suckered by the slick frog king. Even with with his reputation he still managed to swindle them out of money. I guess there will always be stupid, gullible people who utterly fail to comprehend Herve is a loser.
I wonder how much Herve got, and what he wasted it on. Perhaps he is wants to buy back is race car.
A minor update to the GCG website.
GCG said:
Vault 69er
Water Chip? Been There, Done That
Havok said:
Well they did recently acquire the full IP from Interplay except for the MMO rights (because Interplay is going to get right on making that, right Herve?).
I don't think EvilCorp.. er.. Zenimax's lawyers would go around throwing cease and desists without a solid legal basis.
Terrasque
First time out of the vault
I must say, this news both sucks and rocks at the same time.
On one hand, it sucks for the Glutton cause they have the potential for losing lots and lots of hard work. It's never a good thing to see an indy-rpg company get their product squashed by another company with lots of fundage.
On the other hand, I'm happy to hear this because the product that GCG was getting ready to release looked about as good as rat-on-a-stick. From what I read, they were really butchering the setting and history, and the gameplay was looking pretty abysmal. No offense to GCG, but I was pretty appalled at the idea this game was going to be the 'official' pen and paper RPG of Fallout. I mean, Interplay must have been really desperate to sell their best IP to (seemingly) some random D20-crap designer.
Kind of reminds me of the way Shadowrun is being handled. Have you seen the new Unreal Tourny rip-off they're making? They completely changed the setting and history of a great, established canon. I just wish Beth/Zeni would buy the rights for Shadowrun and pull the rug out from under that project...
On one hand, it sucks for the Glutton cause they have the potential for losing lots and lots of hard work. It's never a good thing to see an indy-rpg company get their product squashed by another company with lots of fundage.
On the other hand, I'm happy to hear this because the product that GCG was getting ready to release looked about as good as rat-on-a-stick. From what I read, they were really butchering the setting and history, and the gameplay was looking pretty abysmal. No offense to GCG, but I was pretty appalled at the idea this game was going to be the 'official' pen and paper RPG of Fallout. I mean, Interplay must have been really desperate to sell their best IP to (seemingly) some random D20-crap designer.
Kind of reminds me of the way Shadowrun is being handled. Have you seen the new Unreal Tourny rip-off they're making? They completely changed the setting and history of a great, established canon. I just wish Beth/Zeni would buy the rights for Shadowrun and pull the rug out from under that project...
Glutton Creeper Forum said:
Briosafreak
Lived Through the Heat Death
His English is actually worse than mine 
Terrasque
First time out of the vault
This was written by the dudes from GCG? Yikes...Score one for bethsoft in my eyes.
I'd hate to open the Fallout P&P book and read "War...war never change."