Gun Control

I do actually. I've just never had the need to fire one.

And saying that people who aren't very knowledgeable about guns have no say in gun laws is simply not fair.
 
I do actually. I've just never had the need to fire one.

And saying that people who aren't very knowledgeable about guns have no say in gun laws is simply not fair.
(That’s what I’m saying, you probably ‘know’ more than me)
 
Assault weapons are banned in Spain, right? Also, you can't just openly carry guns of any kind on the street over there? Am curious about this.
Might as well be an excuse for a bit of an expository rant:

You can get licenses for everything from sword canes to firearms just under mounted and automatics (which only specific security firms and border patrol and customs get a license for), but I think it's descriptive enough that the law doesn't contemplate any use of weapons that isn't for sports or hunting, as the (latest) constitution reads, "The Spanish State has exclusive competence over production, acquisition, selling, possession and usage of weapons explosive or otherwise" (roughish translation), of course, with exceptions by judgement of entitled entities when it comes to harm to the parties involved and severe future risk.

Of course it changes all the time because people don't jerk themselves off to Constitution, but the general lines stay the same. You need a personality/physical condition test, criminal record and a stated case to why you'll need it for one of the tiers of license and then go buy to the actually pretty hard to come by gun stores.

There are monthly inventory checks for the status of each weapon and its owner’s location, which is doable because there are like way less than a hundred thousand normal license owners, most being business owners like jewelers, judges, ex-military, sports players, and politicians. Most gun owners are in fact hunters, on around the million or so. If anything, the lowest tier is a bit too hard to get and for situations like domestic abuse it's hard and rare to actually be granted it, and thus some loopholes have been exploited by people who felt distressed, like keeping target training guns. Also no, no open carry whatsoever. You won't be shot if you're a dumbass and wave around airsoft replicas, but you'll certainly get some REALLY pissed off cops.

Funnily enough, a common motto of ANA (our NRA equivalent) is that security isn't a pretext to override any rules, even if the right to self defense should be upheld, of course. They're a lot more rigorous, if also less prominent in politics. Of course they are trying to budge for some leniency and raise awareness for the black market, which is fair enough. It's a notable problem as despite the almost draconian regulations we're the world's 7th top gun exporter.

Personally, I don't even know any gun owners that aren't hunters and since my grandfather died not, and not even that as he barely even used them. Only time I got to shoot a live weapon was shortly before he passed and I blatantly missed the ducks I was pointed towards. Where I live about 1 in a 500 people own one, and as I implied earlier gun stores are hard to come by and the couple I know are really sporting and hunting goods shops. Nationally there's about 80-100 gun related homicides total a year, and when it comes to terrorism half the deaths in contemporary history coming from a single attack on 2004, which was sparsely followed by radical extreme nationalist Basque organization ETA, which finally disbanded and stopped fire on 2016, to be followed by the latest yihadist attack since the 2004 one as of 2017, and mass shootings are very rare and situations that could make them end up with 1-3 dead tops, in their rarity.

Overall, it's even stiffer than the usual European standard preconception. But really, besides relaxing some other terms, it's generally fine in its current state. And no TLDR no open carry, no
 
Wow, @Arnust, I appreciate the response, but I wasn't expecting what must have taken you half an hour to type out, ha ha.

Your country has some sensible laws, at least. People here just don't want to listen to me when I try to show them statistics of mass shootings in this country vs other countries. I might as well shout into the wind.
 
Wow, @Arnust, I appreciate the response, but I wasn't expecting what must have taken you half an hour to type out, ha ha.

Your country has some sensible laws, at least. People here just don't want to listen to me when I try to show them statistics of mass shootings in this country vs other countries. I might as well shout into the wind.
It's fine, should've done that for the sake of my stance and viewpoint in this thread quite a long time ago.

All in all you can't really argue with people's sense of defenseless and fear. It was quite a lot less "relaxed" at the heights of ETA activity or the period after the 2004 train station bombing here, that's for sure. But deep down, IMO, the way to go about this is to defuse the most violence possible instead of merely throwing fuel to the fire, so people feel less and less afraid of others, foreign and neighbor. Indeed sometimes that may not even have to do with weapons (but let's be honest most of the time it does and no doubt in the US' case). And eventually you'll reach a state where people hardly even care, arguably maybe even a bit too much.

It's about to not have political agendas being fueled by the alleged menace of an arbitrary group of people, or to have law enforcement be at such a regular risk that it clouds their course of action. To be defeatist and start making people LIVE with that threat in mind. Of course there's a bajillion ways to go about "simply" improving a country's state and it's easy to say, be it legally mandating that buildings have to be painted with the face of Jeff Goldblum or helping the impoverished and improving egality.
 
There will always be violence in the world, as much as I wish it wasn't so, and having more and more guns just won't help the situation. I understand wanting a gun for protection. As I said before, I'm alone most of the time so I've been looking into buying one, but guns such as AR-15's? What is the purpose of owning one? Do they just look cool or something? I asked this question just yesterday to someone I know IRL and his response was "It's my constitutional right." I get that a lot. Then it was followed with, "Every time you turn around, liberals are trying to take guns away." They literally said that to me. "My constitutional right" is what you say when you have no other defense.

Joke's on them. I'm not a liberal.
 
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The question I bring up in weapon control debates is "where is the line?" Assault rifles, grenades, missiles, nukes. How dangerous a weapon does something have to be until you think "maybe it's not a good idea for people to have this"?

IMO, the line is, these mass shooting situations are a relatively recent situation. America has always had guns and the fact we aren't living a daily Tarantino speaks volumes about how safe this country is. Think about it, 40 percent gun ownership in this country and you have only a few mass shootings. 40 percent of 320 MILLION.

Black

When one advocates taking away gun rights from others, it is simply common sense and just courtesy to be informed. And yes, federal laws still hold weight regardless of what state laws say. This is the primary reason why marijuana hasn't been mass adopted. Currently, unlike firearms, the feds aren't going to care if you use marijuana, if you have a card. They are more concerned about distribution and who marijuana is sold to (for instance kids).

And again, if you haven't done so, please go through the entire thread before commenting on the whole assault rifle issue. It is ILLEGAL to own an ASSAULT rifle (as in a weapon that includes burst fire and full auto. If anything, we have military STYLE rifles.

And the reason for banning assault rifles easily applies to every other rifle. As I have pointed out earlier in this thread, 5.56 is very similar to the .223. If your going to complain about damage, all rifle bullets tend to be much more powerful. Most of these rifle rounds are used in hunting as well so to ban rifle ammunition as a whole is ludicrous. Military style rifles have more muzzle velocity? Well so does your standard hunting rifle. Now add in the FACT that most mass shootings are done with handguns (which are much easier to conceal, use, and even dual wield). If anything, handguns are exponentially more dangerous than military style rifles.

I own a military style rifle because I want to fire something that is a close proximity of what an actual assault rifle is. And TBH, it IS fun and cool.

Most of the weapons you mentioned are illegal and the ones that are legal (cannons) in this instance, must remain UNLOADED. Like cannibalism, it is not TECHNICALLY illegal but the method of obtaining the meat IS often illegal.
 
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There have been over 300 mass shooting in the US just this year alone. I wouldn't exactly call that very few.
 
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Mass shootings have been happening since the late 20th century. That isn't recent in the slightest.
 
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https://abcnews.go.com/US/2018-mass-shooting-month-us/story?id=59418185

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_shootings_in_the_United_States

While 1 in every 1 or 2 month isn't good, it is hardly 300 in this year alone.

yfk

For some time in the past, mass shootings happened roughly 1 in every 200 days. The uptick in mass shootings, has indeed only increased RECENTLY.

While we have had mass shootings in the past (funny how people didn't go bat shit about banning guns back then), the current mass shootings are the ones the media and average folks are talking about. It is the RECENT shootings that people are trying to use as a club to enact vast, over reaching, nonsense gun laws in this country.

And yes, I am for common sense gun laws but banning rifles because they look scurry is asinine to the extreme. Banning different types of grips and barrel lengths is also equally asinine. The problem with the gun banners is that they are simply not satisfied with common sense gun regulations but often opt for the heavy handed, over arching approach.
 
Black

https://abcnews.go.com/US/2018-mass-shooting-month-us/story?id=59418185

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_shootings_in_the_United_States

While 1 in every 1 or 2 month isn't good, it is hardly 300 in this year alone.

yfk

For some time in the past, mass shootings happened roughly 1 in every 200 days. The uptick in mass shootings, has indeed only increased RECENTLY.

While we have had mass shootings in the past (funny how people didn't go bat shit about banning guns back then), the current mass shootings are the ones the media and average folks are talking about. It is the RECENT shootings that people are trying to use as a club to enact vast, over reaching, nonsense gun laws in this country.

And yes, I am for common sense gun laws but banning rifles because they look scurry is asinine to the extreme. Banning different types of grips and barrel lengths is also equally asinine. The problem with the gun banners is that they are simply not satisfied with common sense gun regulations but often opt for the heavy handed, over arching approach.

I was going by these two articles: https://www.businessinsider.com/how-many-mass-shootings-in-america-this-year-2018-2 and https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/reports/mass-shooting

I honestly don't think guns should be outright banned, I just want some sensible gun laws. I think most of us can agree that some people just should not own a gun.

What is your stance on background checks?
 
background checks are already a thing and gun laws are already sensible. if you've ever gone through the process of getting a gun y'all'd know that. people act like anybody can just walk into a wal mart and pick up gun along with their tator tots is a bad thing. fucks sakes. people are allowed to own what they want and people need to get over it.
 
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I know background checks already exist, I was just curious about other's opinions on it. And yes, literally anyone in Kentucky can walk into a gun store or a Wal-Mart and buy a gun, as long as they meet the age requirements and are not convicted felons. So I guess that's not literally everyone, lol.
 
And yes, literally anyone in Kentucky can walk into a gun store or a Wal-Mart and buy a gun, as long as they meet the age requirements and are not convicted felons.
i don't like being proven wrong. you have made an enemy this day. also we have no waiting period. YEET

i feel the same way about background checks as i do stop and frisk. yeah it sucks and its an invasion of privacy but hey if you aint doing anything wrong then ya got nothign to worry about.
 
i don't like being proven wrong. you have made an enemy this day. also we have no waiting period. YEET

i feel the same way about background checks as i do stop and frisk. yeah it sucks and its an invasion of privacy but hey if you aint doing anything wrong then ya got nothign to worry about.

Oh! You're from KY too!

Exactly. I've never been frisked, and hope I never am, lol. Ugh. I don't like being touched.
 
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Oh! You're from KY too!
Yepper
I don't like being touched.
me niether. i also hate when people talk to me. then i wonder why no one talks to me and i have no friends. ha ha thats sad.

so anyways gun control is dumb. what we trucks of peace and acid bombs existing too whats the point? if someone wants to hurt a lot of people enough to actually do it then they're gonna do it. unless they're a completely worthless fuckup like Elliot Rodger.
 
Assault weapons
Those aren't a thing.
The uptick in mass shootings, has indeed only increased RECENTLY.
I might be treading on conspritard territory, but am I the only one to notice how it is usual some fucking sped hopped up on anti-psychotics because they have ADD? I know a lot of people blame "gun culture" but I think it is fuckwit culture. Look at Tranny Phantom, that fuck was pissed nobody watched his youtube channel and thought if he killed himself, he'd get a ghost vagina in the after life so he shoots up his work place.
 
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i don't like being proven wrong. you have made an enemy this day. also we have no waiting period. YEET

i feel the same way about background checks as i do stop and frisk. yeah it sucks and its an invasion of privacy but hey if you aint doing anything wrong then ya got nothign to worry about.
Not a fan of stop and frisk. Doesn't do much to solve the issue since you can't exactly stop and frisk everyone, and racial profiling comes into play far too often.
As for invasions of privacy, there's a quote from Edward Snowden that I like: "Arguing that you don't care about the right to privacy because you have nothing to hide is no different than saying you don't care about free speech because you have nothing to say." But that's another argument altogether.
Personally, I think that if you need to spend months before you can learn to drive, then it's not unreasonable for one to spend as long to get a license for a death-machine that was literally designed to kill people, and to learn how to use it responsibly.
 
Not a fan of stop and frisk. Doesn't do much to solve the issue since you can't exactly stop and frisk everyone, and racial profiling comes into play far too often.
As for invasions of privacy, there's a quote from Edward Snowden that I like: "Arguing that you don't care about the right to privacy because you have nothing to hide is no different than saying you don't care about free speech because you have nothing to say." But that's another argument altogether.
Personally, I think that if you need to spend months before you can learn to drive, then it's not unreasonable for one to spend as long to get a license for a death-machine that was literally designed to kill people, and to learn how to use it responsibly.
There's a shooting range/gun store not far from me that teaches basic gun safety for free. They will even let you learn with one of their guns if you don't have your own. This seems reasonable. I'm not afraid of guns, I'm afraid of irresponsible people with guns.
 
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