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yfk12, No it's not. Physics and Math is getting in your way. Right now our energy consuption is growing by 4% each year. Let us assume for am moment we would cover the whole planet with solar panels. In aprox 250 years you would reach the limit of what they can offer in energy.

I am all for renewable energy and geting rid of fossil fuels, but we should not bullshit our selfs. There is no 'green' capitalism. The United States has currently 268.8 million vehicles registered (stand 2016). Do you seriously see a possibility that all of those will go electric, when you consider how the resources for the batteries are mined? Let us not fool our selfs here. The issue we're dealing with, is exponetial growth and we will always hit physical bareers here, it doesn't matter if we use fossil fuels, or if all the sources are renewable. They have clear limitations and our current economic model is build around unlimited growth.
 
@Crni Vuk I get what you’re saying, but couldn’t it be argued that the whole “building for unlimited growth” is ingrained into our cultural mindset? I’d argue (very pessimistically) that we’ve dug our graves, and it’s too late to fix it. Might as well just strap in and try to do some good and live it up while we’re here.
 
Crni Vuk said:
yfk12, No it's not. Physics and Math is getting in your way. Right now our energy consuption is growing by 4% each year. Let us assume for am moment we would cover the whole planet with solar panels. In aprox 250 years you would reach the limit of what they can offer in energy.

I am all for renewable energy and geting rid of fossil fuels, but we should not bullshit our selfs. There is no 'green' capitalism. The United States has currently 268.8 million vehicles registered (stand 2016). Do you seriously see a possibility that all of those will go electric, when you consider how the resources for the batteries are mined? Let us not fool our selfs here. The issue we're dealing with, is exponetial growth and we will always hit physical bareers here, it doesn't matter if we use fossil fuels, or if all the sources are renewable. They have clear limitations and our current economic model is build around unlimited growth.
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I mean, we could always strip-mine Mars.
 
MutantScalper said:
USA is like a cancer of the planet Earth which is destroying the natural world.
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MutantScalper said:
@AureliusofPhoenix

How about you give me a short synopsis of how environmentalism is winning the fight with the corporate/consumerist entities and ideology in USA. I'll get a cup of coffee while you write.
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Oh, the USA shares a lot of the responsibility for the state of our environment. However, suggesting that it's entirely our fault and not the combined fault of the entire world is completely absurd.
 
yfk12 said:
Oh, the USA shares a lot of the responsibility for the state of our environment. However, suggesting that it's entirely our fault and not the combined fault of the entire world is completely absurd.
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^^ this. Is your coffee made yet?
 
yfk12 said:
Oh, the USA shares a lot of the responsibility for the state of our environment. However, suggesting that it's entirely our fault and not the combined fault of the entire world is completely absurd.
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Hear, hear! Everything is not the USA's fault. To think so just shows how misinformed you are.
 
MutantScalper said:
Not yet. Keep writing.
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So, in conclusion, to blame one nation for the troubles of the entire world is extremely prejudiced and close-minded, and I would like to psychoanalyze you at some point to get to the root of your hatred for America.
 
yfk12 said:
Oh, the USA shares a lot of the responsibility for the state of our environment. However, suggesting that it's entirely our fault and not the combined fault of the entire world is completely absurd.
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AureliusofPhoenix said:
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So, in conclusion, to blame one nation for the troubles of the entire world is extremely prejudiced and close-minded, and I would like to psychoanalyze you at some point to get to the root of your hatred for America.
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Ok so I'm going to 'combine' these two since you two seem to share the same hive mind or something.

Anyhoo, yfk12's point is that USA can't be blamed because it's just 'one of many' who destroy nature, destroy native folks, enslave people, nuke folks, are the no. 1 weapons producers and sellers of the world and no. 1 promoters of the fossil fuel economy and biggest destroyers by far of the nature of planet Earth. I mean, there's a bunch of nations like that, right? I mean, how about that Denmark with their nuking ways...oh wait.

And on an ideological level, USA is based on greed, on thinking that genocide is ok, etc.
 
Well then explain to me in detail what are the core values USA is based on, I'd really like to know. And how destroying native populations, nuking civilians and destroying the nature of planet Earth are somehow not in line with it.

Because as we already know from participating in this thread, your constitution makes, for example, school shooting basically something which is pretty much ok.
 
MutantScalper said:
Ok so I'm going to 'combine' these two since you two seem to share the same hive mind or something.

Anyhoo, yfk12's point is that USA can't be blamed because it's just 'one of many' who destroy nature, destroy native folks, enslave people, nuke folks, are the no. 1 weapons producers and sellers of the world and no. 1 promoters of the fossil fuel economy and biggest destroyers by far of the nature of planet Earth. I mean, there's a bunch of nations like that, right? I mean, how about that Denmark with their nuking ways...oh wait.

And on an ideological level, USA is based on greed, on thinking that genocide is ok, etc.
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At no point did I say that the USA could not be blamed; I think it can and should be blamed. I clearly said that saying that it, and it alone, are responsible for the world's problems is complete bullshit.
 
yfk12 said:
At no point did I say that the USA could not be blamed; I think it can and should be blamed. I clearly said that saying that it, and it alone, are responsible for the world's problems is complete bullshit.
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So you're saying it's innocent. Of course. You're not the first yank I've met who thinks like that.
 
MutantScalper said:
Because as we already know from participating in this thread, your constitution makes, for example, school shooting basically something which is pretty much ok.
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This is a lie. For nearly 200 years, the 2nd amendment has been interpreted as being the right to forming a militia in case the gov got too tyrannical. It's only recently that the courts suddenly decided it had anything to do with individual liberty.
 
yfk12 said:
This is a lie. For nearly 200 years, the 2nd amendment has been interpreted as being the right to forming a militia in case the gov got too tyrannical. It's only recently that the courts suddenly decided it had anything to do with individual liberty.
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When you were in elementary school, did anyone, student or other, ever bring firearms into the school?
 
Mutie, as I’ve said, I like you man. I like everyone on this site. But while the ideals of America may not be flawless, we’re the farthest thing from the Hellhole you make us out to be. I lived in Boston most of my life. To hear you tell it, it’s fucking Detroit. It’s not.

The point of my psychoanalysis comment stands; you seem... angry. Irrationally so. You seem to truly believe that America is the cause of all of the world’s problems. And as much as I’d like to calmly explain to you how inaccurate and hateful that is, something tells me that we both know it wouldn’t change a goddamn thing.
 
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