That was either a somewhat clever joke or you're really so American that you mistook the IRS for the IRA...
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- Thread starter Throatpunch
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Oh yes, very dangerous terrorist organisation!
I swear, a recruiting video from ISIS is a joke compared the them.
yfk12
Degenerate who belongs on a cross
GonZo_626
Well Shit!
Dude, blackface is racist...….
yfk12
Degenerate who belongs on a cross
Not blackface. It's an IRS balaclava and beret.
GonZo_626
Well Shit!
And the joke goes missing
And an edit an hour later:
Alright lets get the gun control topic back on the topic of gun control (just to watch it derail again)
Brazil relaxes Gun Laws
https://nationalpost.com/news/brazils-bolsonaro-loosens-gun-laws-first-of-expected-moves
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MutantScalper
Dogmeat
He's one of those yanks who identifies as an Irish person.
Btw, the yanks provided weapons, explosives, etc. to the IRA who, among other things, came very close to assassinating Thatcher and John Major. They did assassinate a whole bunch of other folks, and killed civilians with car bombs etc. If I was British I wouldn't trust the yanks.
GonZo_626
Well Shit!
Hahhaha, pot calling kettle black, I mean we already covered how your country allied with the Nazis, so not much else to say but maybe nobody should trust the finns then EH?
MutantScalper
Dogmeat
Hitting me with the capital "eh", that's prime Canadian aggression.
Anyway, if you read up on the IRA, they were pretty ruthless and operating very freely and in very accurate and deadly way. Some Muslim terrorist might be happy to blow up a bomb in a square somewhere but the IRA went after the very top leaders. They, among other things, shot at 10 Downing street with a mortar that was inside a van and almost hit John Major.
But mortars are nice eh? IRA is a "well regulated militia", right? EH?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Downing_Street_mortar_attack
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I'd have thought you'd like the IRA since they fought for independence from an oppressive monarchy. You seem to be quite ok with political violence when it's against proper targets, I surely wouldn't have expected you to side with the English on this one.
MutantScalper
Dogmeat
Well, I don't think there necessarily are any 'good guys' in the UK vs. Ireland/IRA -conflict, a.k.a. "The Troubles". On the one hand you have UK trying to hold on to it's colonial past and the closest part of it's crumbling empire which is the Northern Ireland. Given how hard UK fought for the Falklands, the Irish were kind of underestimating the Limeys a bit maybe.
On the other hand, the Irish Catholic nationalists aren't necessarily nice folks either. They were against abortion, "every sperm is sacred" etc. And the yanks were providing them with money and hardware (guns, explosives, etc.). A case could be made that the help that yanks provided to the IRA ended up aiding the other terrorist groups such as RAF in Germany and also the pro-Muslim/Palestine terrorist organisations culminating with Al Queda and Isis and the present day mess. IRA communicated and cooperated with the forementioned groups.
You're more the RAF guy I guess.
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I'm sure they'll resist the fuck out of tyranny.
No one will rise up and take his fire arms to fight tyranny, not in Brazil and not in the US.
On the contrary, there is a chance where we actually might see some trying to defend this administration when it's actually removed, particularly in the US. I mean some Trump supporters say they will start viollent protests if Trump gets impeached for example and some Republicans are in favour for postponing the 2020 ellection, if Trump calls for it. According to a survey by two accademics where they asked more than 1300 people, about 50% of the aprox. 600 which identified themself as supporters of the GOP agreed. Many often say, a tyrannical government is seeking to disarm the population, that's even correct. But it usually happens after they assume power, not during the transition where they might actually relay on armed resitstance and where armed supporters benefits them. There is always a period of transition when you see a shift from one system to another. A situation where the old system is weakend but the new eventually autocratic rule is not yet so strong to completely take over. A kind of chaos that benefits those, that seek to change everything in their favour. And you do not see liberals arming themself to the teeth currently. I am not saying every gun owner will take up arms, probably the majority won't. But we do have a situation currently where extremist movements on the right and the left seeks to arm themselfs.
What we experience right now, is a new form of fascism though. Part of the problem is, people have this image of fascism and authoriatrianism in their head, that looks like the Nazi Regime or Stalinism and North Korea and the like, maybe with a coup or a forcefull change, the Gestapo and camps and all that. But what about a decline of democracy? Strange enough, many americans, be it more on the conservative or liberal/progressive side of the political spectrum actually often agree on this perception that their vote matters less and less, which in tourn favours the fringe movements, the extremists. With the US more on the extreme right than the left which has also historical reasons (see Red Scare), but who knows, this might change in the near future and we might see more extreme leftist movements gaining traction, a situation like the 1920s in Germany.
What we see right now happening, seems simply to be normal. It has been a slowly progressing decline mostly build on legal laws. So I am not talking about Trump, the errosion of demcracy started a long time ago, trough money, lobbysm and corruption in politics and laws like the Patriot Act I and II. When you look at it, even Obama was a part of it. His administration detained and deported people, they drone striked civilians in foreign countries, they deregulated financial institutions and accepted money by lobbyists.
On the contrary, there is a chance where we actually might see some trying to defend this administration when it's actually removed, particularly in the US. I mean some Trump supporters say they will start viollent protests if Trump gets impeached for example and some Republicans are in favour for postponing the 2020 ellection, if Trump calls for it. According to a survey by two accademics where they asked more than 1300 people, about 50% of the aprox. 600 which identified themself as supporters of the GOP agreed. Many often say, a tyrannical government is seeking to disarm the population, that's even correct. But it usually happens after they assume power, not during the transition where they might actually relay on armed resitstance and where armed supporters benefits them. There is always a period of transition when you see a shift from one system to another. A situation where the old system is weakend but the new eventually autocratic rule is not yet so strong to completely take over. A kind of chaos that benefits those, that seek to change everything in their favour. And you do not see liberals arming themself to the teeth currently. I am not saying every gun owner will take up arms, probably the majority won't. But we do have a situation currently where extremist movements on the right and the left seeks to arm themselfs.
What we experience right now, is a new form of fascism though. Part of the problem is, people have this image of fascism and authoriatrianism in their head, that looks like the Nazi Regime or Stalinism and North Korea and the like, maybe with a coup or a forcefull change, the Gestapo and camps and all that. But what about a decline of democracy? Strange enough, many americans, be it more on the conservative or liberal/progressive side of the political spectrum actually often agree on this perception that their vote matters less and less, which in tourn favours the fringe movements, the extremists. With the US more on the extreme right than the left which has also historical reasons (see Red Scare), but who knows, this might change in the near future and we might see more extreme leftist movements gaining traction, a situation like the 1920s in Germany.
What we see right now happening, seems simply to be normal. It has been a slowly progressing decline mostly build on legal laws. So I am not talking about Trump, the errosion of demcracy started a long time ago, trough money, lobbysm and corruption in politics and laws like the Patriot Act I and II. When you look at it, even Obama was a part of it. His administration detained and deported people, they drone striked civilians in foreign countries, they deregulated financial institutions and accepted money by lobbyists.
We have an image of fascism in our heads because words used to mean something.
Trying to redefine "fascism" to mean "any form of deviation from democracy that is not communist" is just fearmongering, because we HAVE a particular image of fascism in our head already.
Trying to redefine "fascism" to mean "any form of deviation from democracy that is not communist" is just fearmongering, because we HAVE a particular image of fascism in our head already.
Uhm, I think you're missunderstanding my intention here I think. What I am talking about is transition, the decline of democratic institutions. Take Turkey as example. Is it a dictatorship? No. Is it a liberal Democracy? No. Or Russia for that matter. There are also paralles between Venezuale how things started there and the current development in the United States. Those kind of things don't happen to fall from the sky, neither did Nationalsocialism by the way, which formed during the early 1920s in Germany. The democracy in the United States has been erroding for quite some time and we currently see several effects amplyfing each other. A general distrust of the public in their own democratic institutions - trust in the Government is at an all time low, while at the same time lobbyism and money is gaining more and more influence and then you have Trump with his government shut down, muslim bann etc. The question is what ever if Trump will turn the US in to a fascist regime or not, but what will come after him.
History isn't something that's constantly repeating it self here and we have to make a difference between some bumbling idiots runing around and saying THEY ARE FASCISTS! Or if we're talking about how fascism becomes a possibility.
History isn't something that's constantly repeating it self here and we have to make a difference between some bumbling idiots runing around and saying THEY ARE FASCISTS! Or if we're talking about how fascism becomes a possibility.
Yet nothing you said has anything to do with actual fascism, besides "I don't like it because it's not communism". You're trying to turn "fascism" into a catch-all term for "society that I don't want". That's fearmongering, nothing else.
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"Man them librdools detroying the meaning of words"
"Also, things clearly fascist aren't fascist"
Do tell though, what is it (Bolsonaro's funtimes hoedown) exactly if it isn't that?
"Also, things clearly fascist aren't fascist"
Do tell though, what is it (Bolsonaro's funtimes hoedown) exactly if it isn't that?
Ah, the grandmaster of "everything is fascist" graced us with his presence.
By muddying up the language you achieve nothing but a deeper segregation.
You know, in the past I would have been offended if someone called me fascist. Because fascism is something I abhor, and that I am deeply against. These days? It's just a word people throw around to make clear that something is evil in their eyes. Similar to the overuse of all sorts of *isms.
You know why people on the Alt-Right don't give a shit being lumped in with actual, honest-to-god white supremacists anymore? Because the word has been so softened up that it doesn't matter to them.
/edit: Also, wasn't really talking about Bolsonaro, more about the general current zeitgeist. So what is fascist about Bolsonaro?
By muddying up the language you achieve nothing but a deeper segregation.
You know, in the past I would have been offended if someone called me fascist. Because fascism is something I abhor, and that I am deeply against. These days? It's just a word people throw around to make clear that something is evil in their eyes. Similar to the overuse of all sorts of *isms.
You know why people on the Alt-Right don't give a shit being lumped in with actual, honest-to-god white supremacists anymore? Because the word has been so softened up that it doesn't matter to them.
/edit: Also, wasn't really talking about Bolsonaro, more about the general current zeitgeist. So what is fascist about Bolsonaro?
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Nothing, apparently.