Gun Control

Discussion in 'General Discussion Forum' started by Throatpunch, Jul 25, 2016.

  1. Crni Vuk

    Crni Vuk M4A3 Oldfag oTO Orderite

    Nov 25, 2008
    No I am not.

    *Edit, Also yeah I am sorry, yes I am, genuely worried as the child of migrants about the curret political events, the conversations I sometimes have with people, the rhetoric I see in TV, by some politicans - particularly mainstream politicans like Maaßen, Dobrindt, Seehover, parts of the CDU and of course the AfD, an extrem right wing party that's a member of our parliament.

    Dude I love you, really I do, but you're living in a fucking bubble when it comes to this. I never felt as a migrant in Germany. Never. Ever. But the more of this stuff is happening, the more I feel alinated, less of a German and in some cases as a group unwated. And there are thousands of people that feel similar. People with German education, speaking the German language and German papers. I see my self as German. But the voices that tell me, no you're not! Are getting louder and more agressive. Not everywhere, not at the same time, sometimes it's geting worse, sometimes it's less. Depending on what discussion we have in the public currently. But the narrative, is getting worse.

    I have recently seen a jewish news paper from the early 1930s in Germany, der Israelit, that said something very similar about the Nazi party and Hitler. No reason to worry. All just fear mongering. No one's going to kill the Jews, because we have a constitutions that won't allow them etc.

    I didn't say that he's a fascist. He's clearly authoritarian though. His actions could lead to fascism though. But who knows what will happen in a couple of years from now.
     
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  2. DarkCorp

    DarkCorp Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!

    Oct 27, 2003
    Crni

    The problem with the Nazi comparison is the fact you gloss over the MANY things that made their rise possible.

    You had the Weimar government, which was weak and pretty much broke due to the war reparations and the credit situation was out of control. You had daily battles on the streets (and PLEASE do not try to equate protest clashes which happened rarely, on par, which would be intellectually dishonest), a world population that still adhered to retarded shit like phrenology and eugenics, etc. People were still stupid as hell back then, we are talking the early 20th century here. Another thing is the Reichstag fire could have been proven a false flag operation, especially with todays technology. I mean we couldn't stop Snowden, and Manning FFS, how the hell do we keep a closed lid on even bigger false flag operations?

    In your U.S. analogy, you purposefully twist things towards your own meanings. While there is lobbyism, I would have thought our discussions would have shown you that the people are well in control of their government. Remember how I said people could vote out their senators and congressman? Remember when I talked about how the shift of power changes when one side in power fucks shit up and another gets in (the recent blue wave in the house, being a prime example)? You take a few opinions by Trump extremists and try to say their will be some kind of civil war due to his impeachment.

    And yeah, people do not trust government but that has ALWAYS been the case. Go anywhere, to any country, and you will have people who say they do not trust their country. I mean FFS, Alex Jones definitely doesn't trust his country but he shouldn't be a paragon example of possible fascist resurgence. Using 'isms', to stoke your PoV, is the very definition of fear mongering.

    If one were to be honest, AGAIN, in the Trump thread and before, , recent events were a result of the OPPOSITE. Trump WAS elected because people were tired of the political correctness bullshit. People were tired of being called a Nazi or homophone, blah fucking blah, simply because the disagreed with some dumb fucking progressive or liberal. They were tired of Bernies' socialist pandering, of stupid ass buzzwords like class warfare and his support for BLM. The people here were tired of Clintons arrogance, her virtue signaling, her general ineptness at governance. I mean seriously, she lost to FUCKING TRUMP. The chance to be the first female president, lost because of TRUMP.

    Folks like Ivan and Jair are a direct result of shitty socialist government management (We are looking at you Venezuela) and the so called 'pink tide', of Latin America.
     
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  3. TheGM

    TheGM The voice of reason

    Aug 19, 2008
    I'm going to disagree with that and say Clinton lost the chance to be the first female president was because she was Hilary Clinton.
     
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  4. KingArthur

    KingArthur My Name Is Actually Arthur

    Jun 25, 2018
    I’m in Ireland right now, and the other night I was watching the news and heard about multiple drug-related shootings. Could it be that violence is a result of deeper issues?

    ....naaaah that’s outside the realm of reality.
     
  5. Crni Vuk

    Crni Vuk M4A3 Oldfag oTO Orderite

    Nov 25, 2008
    You would have a point if I made a DIRECT comparision, saying Trump is Hitler, which he isn't. I am not even saying the same thing that happend in the Weimar Republic must necessarily happen in the United States nor do I say it has to become a fascist regime.

    But is it so unthinkable that a society like the United States might one day be similar in terms of it's democracy like say, Turkey or Russia? The US is very polarized right now, and Trump like it or not, does qualify as Oligarch. Not to mention the role money plays in US politics right now.

    The example with the Newspaper was simply to illustrate that many people, even in such a dire situation simply didn't expect or saw the potential dangers. Just as you do now, with rationalising the current development. This is the real danger and problem of such events, they seem normal to us, up till it's to late.

    Yeah, maybe. You should eventually ask the people of Flint Michigan that question.

    Yes of course, but the trust has droped substantially in the last 50 years. Besides, Government =/= Democratic institutions. For example, if a large part of the population, for what ever reasons starts to distrust the media, the jurisdiction etc. then you clearly run in to a severe issue.
     
  6. DarkCorp

    DarkCorp Sonny, I Watched the Vault Bein' Built!

    Oct 27, 2003
    Crni

    The thing with Flint is, that was a direct result of people as well. The city voted for a cheaper water alternative, which is what led to the situation in the first place. It wasn't just republicans but democrats who pushed for the change.

    A lot of the government distrust also happened because of a freer press and a lot more access to information, almost an inevitability. In some ways, government distrust is a good thing and kind of the point. Fascism/dictatorships need blind adherence and unquestioning loyalty. The primary reason why the U.S. would never go this route is because we are a nation of untrusting assholes who cannot stand authority. We love our silly, cowboy yankee ways.
     
  7. MutantScalper

    MutantScalper Dogmeat

    Nov 22, 2009
    Crni Vuk ->

    Have fun. Take nice selfies on the coast overlooking the Atlantic with the wind tussling your hair like the sexy rascal you are etc.

    However, thing is though, Ireland is basically run by a mafia and it's pretty much a narco state. IRA had connections to Colombian terrorists like the FARC etc. so they have those connections in spades. So, yea. Stop giving them money and guns you yank.

    Btw, look who's active again. The New IRA bomb strike.

    https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news...and-police-condemn-reckless-derry-bomb-attack
     
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  8. Carib FMJ

    Carib FMJ Nuka-Cola Chaser

    Nov 8, 2003
    I enjoy my firearms... responsibly! But hey to each his own. Guns can be a pain, but I notice that it seems the government (legal crooks) and organized crime (the crooks) have guns no matter what. No matter where you go. But, that is the way. If it isn't guns, it would be whatever can do the most harm.
     
  9. R.Graves

    R.Graves Confirmed Retard

    Apr 21, 2016
    exactly. be it acid attacks or trucks of peace, people are gonna hurt each other because humans are gay.
     
  10. Crni Vuk

    Crni Vuk M4A3 Oldfag oTO Orderite

    Nov 25, 2008
    Yeah, we should really live like in the 16th century again, where you had no regulations at all.
     
  11. R.Graves

    R.Graves Confirmed Retard

    Apr 21, 2016
    no regulations are super important. but i don't see why it needs to go much further than going through a background check and a process to get a license.
     
  12. Crni Vuk

    Crni Vuk M4A3 Oldfag oTO Orderite

    Nov 25, 2008
    Well, because even a back ground check is to much for some.

    See, no one here, as far as I know, made any ridiculous claims, like that the Gestapo should run around and seize all guns from the law abiding citizens of the United States. Hell most of us here even know the difference between an assault rifle and the AR-15! And most of us are willing to actually D E F E N D your rights to bear arms.

    Everyone says, that something should be done, that this is a terrible situation. But when it actually comes to decisions, it's always the same fucked up ending.
     
  13. R.Graves

    R.Graves Confirmed Retard

    Apr 21, 2016
    if you're anti background checks you're either a retard or a felon.
     
  14. MutantScalper

    MutantScalper Dogmeat

    Nov 22, 2009
    Have you ever thought about moving to live in some other country? A more safer country, like, for example, Canada? Or some country in Europe maybe? Do you prefer to live in a safe environment or do you enjoy the danger?

    Here's just another shooting incident from the US of A.
    https://www.boxingscene.com/young-boxer-shot-killed-allegedly-by-12-year-old--135699
     
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  15. Carib FMJ

    Carib FMJ Nuka-Cola Chaser

    Nov 8, 2003
    I love my dangerous freedom. Yet, it depends on what stats you follow. I live between San Antonio and Austin Texas. I have had no issues with gun violence considering everyone is polite and armed. I lived in the Caribbean and it had minor gun violence, extremely minor but some parts were pretty violent, a good chance someone would cut you up with a machete, yet no control on sharp tools.

    I like where I am. I have the ability to defend myself and I have done so a few times. But pointing out shooting incidents about the US is a nice fun fact, but its not the whole picture and I notice the media and the politicians who cry for disarmament the loudest got guards with full auto submachine guns. In population of 400 plus million, you will have some who do stupid things. Funny how you don't hear about the guy who kills his family with a monkey wrench, or the stabbings. The UK has major issues of stabbings, as do most nations with hard gun access.
     
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  16. GonZo_626

    GonZo_626 Well Shit!

    521
    Jul 29, 2016
    Hmmm, Mutantscalper!

    Hey we have guns and love them in Canada as well. Maybe some people want to live in a country like that, and as it is the only country in the world like that maybe those who don't like it should move to a different country, why should it be only those who do not agree with you that have to move. Where do those who have a safe responsible enjoyment of guns have to live? It sure as hell is not Europe, land of the oppressed and happy to be oppressed, got some more free speech laws on the books yet? I am surprised that Europeans are still allowed by the EU to still come on NMA as you think the mostly uncensored discussion of many topics would have blocked this site for you. And I would have thought you brought up the guy who went and shot 4 people for no reason in a bank yesterday for your happy grave dancing.
     
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  17. Crni Vuk

    Crni Vuk M4A3 Oldfag oTO Orderite

    Nov 25, 2008
    Crazy finns on meds excluded of course!
     
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  18. Carib FMJ

    Carib FMJ Nuka-Cola Chaser

    Nov 8, 2003
    A lot of this stuff is cultural. Just remember long before us Yanks and Canadians had guns, the Europeans were shooting the ever living shit out of bare foot tribals, Saracens and their own countrymen. So its a little hypocritical of the Old Country to talk down to us in the New World and say the way we live is wrong. Gun problems have changed as society has changed. People say the wild west was wild, but it has been shown it was being armed that kept the peace.

    Should every Joe Six pack or Susie Kitchen have a firearm? Probably not. I was taught from young to respect and fear the fire arm. Had I ever handled any of my father's guns or knives wrong or like Hollywood and I would never see them again. Same with in the service. Also I will add their are people I served with I would not trust with a pop gun. I am a firm believer in training and education. Its a choice, I do not mandate every citizen mobilize and have a rifle in hand. Yet remember, those without a sword can still die upon them. Look at the Afghan hill people; kids wield full auto AK's like professionals and do not treat them as toys. Its a social thing.

    A gun is tool. To be used and discarded if necessary. Another key reason for me to respect guns is that at a time in American history, colored were highly discouraged to bare arms. Matter of fact many laws and loop holes made firearm ownership next to impossible. Now why is that? Right because its hard to lynch folks who can fire back. As much as Dr Martin Luther King JR was a preacher of the open hand, he believed in the right of self defense. So sorry the more the shady government tells me I should not have guns and they will protect me, the more I realize I do need a gun. I am not saying I could win in a gun fight if say the Old Men in high office decide to black bag me, but I sure as hell would like to make them work for it.

    And while many of you will dismiss this as paranoia or me being Alt-Right. I will say just because I am paranoid, does not mean someone isn't out to get me.
     
  19. valcik

    valcik So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs

    Dec 20, 2008
    Actually I find your post to be one of the most rational.
    Also don't mind the vocal group of lunatics in Europe criticising everything in U.S., the silent majority don't necessarily think the same. Fun fact - Germans started recruiting foreigners from other EU member states nowaday for German military, since there's not enough men left in Germany to protect these fragile big mouthed metrosexuals afraid of guns.
     
  20. MutantScalper

    MutantScalper Dogmeat

    Nov 22, 2009
    Ok then. Then again, if the only areas you've lived in are the US and the Caribbean, I'm not sure if you even have a proper knowledge base to make comparisons from. If you were to go live in, say, Germany, and went out and had some beers with Hass and Crni etc. I'm pretty sure your view of what a safe society is would change. Same with the Nordic countries, Norway, Sweden and yes, even my country Finland, are safe countries in many ways. Finland has an 'eastern drinking culture' but that's beside the point. :D

    Just sayin that if you want to get that proper experience of living in an actually safe country, I think it would be great if you live in Europe for a while. But obviously don't have to if you don't feel like it, just know that there is a world outside 'Gun Town, USA'.