Gun Control

Yeah ... but try explaining something like that to the average joe.
The problem is that America doesn't even try to hide their double standards, and it's open for all the world to see, yet barely anyone notices the irony of accusing Russia as a dictatorship while allowing them to succeed and dominate in other parts of the world.
 
Funny, the founding fathers in private and public correspondence again and again disparage these kind of militias as unruly, expensive and unreliable.
The national guard is nothing like what they envisioned...

Yeah, but I feel they wouldn't agree with a lot of things if they would be around today. For example the extreme and vast militarisation which the US has seen since WW2. This so called military industrial complex.
Military industrial complex.
"Federal" reserve bank.
Mentions of God on legal tender.
Pledging allegiance to the flag as we know it.
 
It's so funny how my country Finland is able to function even though we've made lots of changes to the constitution. Constitution is just some laws, and laws can be changed.

What did they envision? Let me tell you. Hundreds of years ago some dude with wooden false teeth and a wig was running around in the bushes with a musket and that dude had a vision. He wanted some future cletus in Alabama to get an AR from a grocery store in under 30 minutes waiting time. And that's what you have in America.

It reminds me of Mormonism. Joseph Smith, George Washington, it's the same crap in a different package. Actually Mormons are better since they only molest some members of their cult, they are not the cause of a huge weaponized mass slaughter of humans in a big nation.
 
It's so funny how my country Finland is able to function even though we've made lots of changes to the constitution. Constitution is just some laws, and laws can be changed.

What did they envision? Let me tell you. Hundreds of years ago some dude with wooden false teeth and a wig was running around in the bushes with a musket and that dude had a vision. He wanted some future cletus in Alabama to get an AR from a grocery store in under 30 minutes waiting time. And that's what you have in America.

It reminds me of Mormonism. Joseph Smith, George Washington, it's the same crap in a different package. Actually Mormons are better since they only molest some members of their cult, they are not the cause of a huge weaponized mass slaughter of humans in a big nation.

A constitution is supposed to be more than some superficial laws cooked up by some bureaucrats, which can be switched around to match whatever the political flavor of the week is. It's meant to be something more permanent, more solid. But currently, it is just some meaningless rulebook. May as well wipe your ass with it.

Anyways, you can come take my devices of mass slaughter from my cold dead hands you dirty commie.
 
It's so funny how my country Finland is able to function even though we've made lots of changes to the constitution. Constitution is just some laws, and laws can be changed.

What did they envision? Let me tell you. Hundreds of years ago some dude with wooden false teeth and a wig was running around in the bushes with a musket and that dude had a vision. He wanted some future cletus in Alabama to get an AR from a grocery store in under 30 minutes waiting time. And that's what you have in America.

It reminds me of Mormonism. Joseph Smith, George Washington, it's the same crap in a different package. Actually Mormons are better since they only molest some members of their cult, they are not the cause of a huge weaponized mass slaughter of humans in a big nation.

As I understand it, through most of the US it takes 3 days as there is a waiting period for record checks. So I don't think somebody would get an AR in 30 minutes. Also would you be fine if it wasn't an AR, as I have said there is no real difference beyond the ergonomics of the rifle from any other semi-auto rifle. The action is relatively the same, and without a machine shop or the correct parts they are not easy to make full-auto.

Is it cause the AR is black?

Black rifles matter!!!!!!!

Quit listening the to MSM about the US gun laws, and stats. Most media is heavily skewed not giving you the truth (as they have no understanding of the facts and just spout off drivel). If you want to find the real culprit of most US criminal gun shootings it's the.............. handgun. That's right small, shooting a relatively small round, and not much accurate beyond 50m.

Also a constitution should not be changed easily as this is the definition of your country and government, not just some laws. But hey Finland is a messed up place full og the dreaded socialism. That whole system does not seem to allow much free thought, and how are your taxes?
 
It's so funny how my country Finland is able to function even though we've made lots of changes to the constitution. Constitution is just some laws, and laws can be changed.
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Your post implies that you have no idea of the depth at play...
Laws are routinely proposed in passable form, so that once they are laws, they can be amended in ways that would never have passed into law.

(Including removal of the sections that allowed them to pass in the first place)

Finland seems well on its way to being a cashless society, and many there don't seem to perceive the dangers. Benjamin Franklin was quoted, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."; and while regardless of the original context, it's a quote that holds true centuries later, and should be an essential lesson to all.
 
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I'll ignore all the OT, BS and noob stuff. Oh and Gonzo,

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/ar-15-orlando_us_576059f3e4b0e4fe5143fd4d

http://www.vox.com/2016/6/14/11932492/orlando-how-to-buy-ar-15

Your post implies that you have no idea of the depth at play...
Laws are routinely proposed in passable form, so that once they are laws, they can be amended in ways that would never have passed into law.

(Including removal of the sections that allowed them to pass in the first place)

Finland seems well on its way to being a cashless society, and many there don't seem to perceive the dangers. Benjamin Franklin was quoted, "Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety."; and while regardless of the original context, it's a quote that holds true centuries later, and should be an essential lesson to all.

Well i was talking about the US constitution.

Cashless society? What does that have to do with the price of cheese? Btw Finland is one of the on average wealthiest countries in the world, with high average wealth of citizens and with UHC, free education, etc. stuff for everyone. What's not to like.
 
I'll ignore all the OT, BS and noob stuff. Oh and Gonzo,

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/ar-15-orlando_us_576059f3e4b0e4fe5143fd4d

http://www.vox.com/2016/6/14/11932492/orlando-how-to-buy-ar-15



Well i was talking about the US constitution.

Cashless society? What does that have to do with the price of cheese? Btw Finland is one of the on average wealthiest countries in the world, with high average wealth of citizens and with UHC, free education, etc. stuff for everyone. What's not to like.

Some people like the freedom to make more choices for themselves, while it is a system that some people want, I personally would like less government intervention in my life. And I work for the government with understanding of how it works. And while they may be wealthy, is this before or after taxes, as I believe that they have around a 50% tax rate.

Oh and mutant scalper

http://dailycaller.com/2016/06/21/reporter-tries-buying-assault-rifle-to-show-how-easy-it-is-fails/

I have also said that I think the US could use a licensing system for purchasing firearms, but there has always been little rules that do things like eliminate a parent letting their child shoot a gun (ex. hunting) that pisses the NRA off.

Also to destroy the ar death weapon train most people are on

https://welikeshooting.com/blog/is-an-ar-15-the-deadliest-firearm-can-you-handle-the-truth/

I own an AR and still think a shotgun is a more deadly firearm as you don't even need to really aim and you can hit multiple targets. My AR is like a bigger .22 to me.

Also I don't believe shit on a trash rag like huffpost. They probably made it up haha.
 
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Some people like the freedom to make more choices for themselves, while it is a system that some people want, I personally would like less government intervention in my life. And I work for the government with understanding of how it works. And while they may be wealthy, is this before or after taxes, as I believe that they have around a 50% tax rate.

Oh and mutant scalper

http://dailycaller.com/2016/06/21/reporter-tries-buying-assault-rifle-to-show-how-easy-it-is-fails/
Oh yeah, Finland also usually rates very high in all indices of freedom (mostly higher than the US, at least). Turns out all that evil northern european socialism/communism/whateverthefuckyouthinkitism doesn't really impede your freedom, it just keeps poor people from dying. Which, I guess, makes it worse on the murrcan freedom index.
Also, please don't double post, use the edit-button instead.
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Alsoplustoo: Hit multiple targets with a shotgun? At what ranges? Ultrashort barrel without choke and with birdshot? If you intentionally try to miss, maybe...
 
Some people like the freedom to make more choices for themselves, while it is a system that some people want, I personally would like less government intervention in my life. And I work for the government with understanding of how it works. And while they may be wealthy, is this before or after taxes, as I believe that they have around a 50% tax rate.

Going off topic here, and I really don't know why, but here you go. Finland in the top twenty in all the wealth categories. Plus UHC, free education, etc.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_wealth_per_adult
 
Oh yeah, Finland also usually rates very high in all indices of freedom (mostly higher than the US, at least). Turns out all that evil northern european socialism/communism/whateverthefuckyouthinkitism doesn't really impede your freedom, it just keeps poor people from dying. Which, I guess, makes it worse on the murrcan freedom index.
Also, please don't double post, use the edit-button instead.

Well like I said I am Canadian so not 'muricin, so not a problem with health care. But as a law abiding owner of a "mass shooting death machine" or as I prefer to call it " a non linear paper disruption device / bell ringer (for steel plates)" most of the calls for more gun control seems ridiculous.

Finland has a 24% government sales tax, 21.5% tax on wages over 40,000, and 18% unemployment insurance, does not seem like I would have much individual wealth after that. The Finnish sales tax is the sixth highest in the world.

On freedom it depends how you look at it, there are 2 types of freedoms with regards to freedoms, positive and negative. A positive freedom is something like "the government lets you", a negative freedom is "the government can't stop you". I do believe that the US has the most negative freedoms. So were as in Finland (and Canada I might add) those freedoms can change the US constitution guarantees that the government cant take them away.
 
Oh yeah, Finland also usually rates very high in all indices of freedom (mostly higher than the US, at least). Turns out all that evil northern european socialism/communism/whateverthefuckyouthinkitism doesn't really impede your freedom, it just keeps poor people from dying. Which, I guess, makes it worse on the murrcan freedom index.
Many of the nordic nations, like Sweden, Finnland and Norway are simply the concept for the future, with very high taxation and relatively even distribution of wealth. But try telling that to people that don't like to face the cold hard reality that we we will have 12 billion people by 2050, and god knows how many by 2100, but with less resources then today. 30% of the worlds population has already consumed 40% of the resources, and we would require two more planets full of resources now if we decide to give every person on this earth, the same economic status as the average American or German has.

Do people really believe that we can sustain our current model and industry with overproduction and overconsumption in the future? I wouldn't be surprised if we see a serious disaster in 70-80 years where like a large part of the worlds population migrates in hundrets of million to Europe and the US, if many people would die to famines and cause all sorts of mayhem and chaos. And once the ashes and dust has settled, when the people have run out of bullets, even the Americans might have learned something, that it's not good to keep 30 or even 40% of your nation on the poverity line, with bad and expensive education, that is better to share at least most of the wealth equally among the people, that capitalism in it's curent form is a dead end.

Pursuit for happiness, sounds awesome on paper, sure you can write something like that in your constitution, but you could as well have a line that says, everyone has a right to win the lottery. High taxation, and making sure that everyone has a decent standard at living with a very regulated and resonable use of resources, this is the future folks. Or we're runing head on in a disaster of biblical proportions.

That's what happens when you let business administrators run everything ... as how someone said, economy is a horse infront of a carriage. It's great at pulling the carriage , but you don't let the horse decide the course.
 
Many of the nordic nations, like Sweden, Finnland and Norway are simply the concept for the future, with very high taxation and relatively even distribution of wealth. But try telling that to people that don't like to face the cold hard reality that we we will have 12 billion people by 2050, and god knows how many by 2100, but with less resources then today. 30% of the worlds population has already consumed 40% of the resources, and we would require two more planets full of resources now if we decide to give every person on this earth, the same economic status as the average American or German has.

Do people really believe that we can sustain our current model and industry with overproduction and overconsumption in the future? I wouldn't be surprised if we see a serious disaster in 70-80 years where like a large part of the worlds population migrates in hundrets of million to Europe and the US, if many people would die to famines and cause all sorts of mayhem and chaos. And once the ashes and dust has settled, when the people have run out of bullets, even the Americans might have learned something, that it's not good to keep 30 or even 40% of your nation on the poverity line, with bad and expensive education, that is better to share at least most of the wealth equally among the people, that capitalism in it's curent form is a dead end.

Pursuit for happiness, sounds awesome on paper, sure you can write something like that in your constitution, but you could as well have a line that says, everyone has a right to win the lottery. High taxation, and making sure that everyone has a decent standard at living with a very regulated and resonable use of resources, this is the future folks. Or we're runing head on in a disaster of biblical proportions.

That's what happens when you let business administrators run everything ... as how someone said, economy is a horse infront of a carriage. It's great at pulling the carriage , but you don't let the horse decide the course.

Hmm I look at this in a different light being very libertarian in my views, as I believe a person should succeed of fail on their own merits. While I agree that the US system is not the greatest as the minority are hoarding their wealth and not spending it as they should and the main basis behind trickle down economics, the socialism these states use does nothing to allow anyone to truly succeed.

I see socialism as 2 guys standing on one side of a big wall and they both want to get over and they have one ladder. Instead of going one at a time they agree to cut the ladder in half. Now both of them are standing on their respective ladders and neither can get them where they want to go, but hey they are equal now.
 
Finland seems well on its way to being a cashless society

That's still pretty far fetched idea here as far as I can tell. I've heard some offhand ideas and theories of that being a possible future since a lot of people prefer to pay with a card instead of cash, but I'm pretty sure everyone knows how fickle the electirc/online payment methods can be (among other things).

There's much louder plans on this country being smokeless by 2030, but even there, seeing is believing.
 
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Cashless society? What does that have to do with the price of cheese? Btw Finland is one of the on average wealthiest countries in the world, with high average wealth of citizens and with UHC, free education, etc. stuff for everyone. What's not to like.
Offhand, the eventual need to ask permission to spend your own wealth.

*I must confess that when I read this quote, it reminded me [could not help but think] of the Golgafrincham commenting on their own newly acquired wealth.
[There is no slight intended, it's just that their attitude was the same one ~"what's not to like?".]

That's still pretty far fetched idea here as far as I can tell. I've heard some offhand ideas and theories of that being a possible future since a lot of people prefer to pay with a card instead of cash, but I'm pretty sure everyone knows how fickle the electirc/online payment methods can be (among other things).

There's much louder plans on this country being smokeless by 2030, but even there, seeing is believing.
I have seen news stories of [possibly not Finland] school children being indoctrinated into accepting food for a thumb-print in public schools; this will become normal for them. The tag line [excuse] is simply fairness and equality, so that it's not obvious which kids pay for their lunch, and which kids receive financial assistance [IE. a free lunch]; but there is no free lunch, the [social] outcome is worth it to some for the pittance paid for it. In the end they will be a generation that accepts it without question.
 
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Hmm I look at this in a different light being very libertarian in my views, as I believe a person should succeed of fail on their own merits.
That's ok, as long as we acknoledge the fact, that not everyone can be succesfull at all times, regardless of how hard they work. That's simply neither realistic, nor possible. Obviously that doesn't mean that you shouldn't try to improve your situation! But it is this general idea or concept, that you just work hard enough and you will be always succesfull, which is causing some problems for people like depressions, among many other reasons of course if they pursue goals that they simply can't achieve. For example, everyone can hit the gym, but not everyone will end up looking like Hafþór Júlíus Björnsson, who's playing the Mountain in Game of Thrones or geting a body that is absolutely perfect. But of course! You're not selling memberships and supplements with that message.

It would be much better if we adopted a more realistic approach, where we teach people how to deal with certain truths. We can't make everyone an academic, a perfect athelete, wealthy, etc. But, with the right decisions and economy, we could at least make sure that 90% of the people have a decent live. That's not an impossible goal. As we can see in Germany and many other European nations.

Don't get me wrong! I LOVE libertarianism, it's a philosophy that I really respect a lot. But it's simply not a realistic concept for a society as a whole, as much as it hurts me to say that.
 
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