Gun Runners’ Arsenal preview, part 4

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J.E. Sawyer explains to us what differentiate Esther from a normal Fat Man, why you could want to wield a 25mm Grenade AWP and more in part four of the Gun Runners' Arsenal preview, creatively titled "Bring the boom with Gun Runners’ Arsenal".<blockquote>25mm Grenade APW - We’re really proud of this one. Brand new for the Mojave Wasteland, the 25mm Grenade APW gives you the death-dealing capability of Grenade Machine Gun in a more portable package. With a stock magazine capacity of six rounds, a brisk semi-auto rate of fire, and respectable accuracy, it’s a great addition to any Explosives arsenal. If you want to step things up, pick up an Expanded Drum (increases capacity), Long Barrel (increases projectile speed) and Upgraded Internals (increases rate of fire).

Paciencia, Medicine Stick - For long-range shooters who scoff at scopes, we have two seriously accurate, seriously powerful rifles. First up is Paciencia (as shown above), a low-capacity Hunting Rifle with incredible accuracy and deadly power, especially from concealment. If you can’t kill a target in three shots (a full mag!) from this beauty, you’re not worthy of it. If you’d like superior ammo capacity for extended fire fights, try Medicine Stick (see below), our unique Brush Gun. Accurate, powerful, and with an increased ammo capacity, it’s hard to go wrong. Though to be honest, most of our shooters feel its less intrusive sights are its best feature.

Hive Missiles - It’s always the same: you haul out your Missile Launcher, drop a pound and a half of American pride down the chute, pull the trigger, and pray to St. Gabriel that it’s not going to go sailing a foot over the charging Super Mutant’s head. Why make a big bet on one spin when you can spread your chances over NINE buzzing Hive Missiles? Sure, the individual missiles don’t pack the same punch, and sure there’s a lot of collateral damage, but if they were standing behind your target, they were probably up to no good anyway, right?</blockquote><center> </center>
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Love the Brush Gun. Wanted to replay Honest Hearts tomorrow, but maybe I will wait with it until I can get the rifle. The feathers and stuff looks very fitting. :>
 
Dream Catcher in Honest Hearts? he.

That Microfusion cell cluster looks obscene, I want it, and also, is that a plasma varian of the 25 and 44 grenades? because that would make explosives runs a lot more fun.
 
You'll have plenty of targets to shoot then. Tribals are losers anyway, save for the Chosen One. I've personally got about 30,000 caps ready to be spent on random guns before I head back into the Divide with my second character.
 
I always feel like I've killed myself more often than I've killed enemies with explosives (A STR of 9 and my grenade still only goes 15 ft!?!) But these new ones look pretty damn fun.

I couldn't care less about the Fatman & friends, but everything else looks really great.

On a sidenote, is anyone else surprised that there wasn't a unique hunting rifle in the base New Vegas? Like, I wouldn't expect a unique brush gun because it's so high level (this new one looks awesome), but the hunting rifle is like tier 3.
 
Guy 1: So, the Brush Gun is one of the most powerful weapons in the game, what are we gonna put in Gun Runner's Arsenal to balance this out a bit?
Guy 2: Oh, I know. Let's put in a unique, more accurate, more powerful and larger ammo capacity Brush Gun!
Guy 1: What a great idea!

:lol:

Like the design though, looks nice.
 
Reconite said:
Guy 1: So, the Brush Gun is one of the most powerful weapons in the game, what are we gonna put in Gun Runner's Arsenal to balance this out a bit?
Guy 2: Oh, I know. Let's put in a unique, more accurate, more powerful and larger ammo capacity Brush Gun!
Guy 1: What a great idea!

:lol:

Like the design though, looks nice.
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The DLCs have added their share of overpowered weapons: K9000, LAER, JG's .45, cosmic knife spear, etc.
 
What's the point of including a non-unique version of a unique weapon?

http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/Battle_rifle

http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/5.56mm_pistol

^These are both free mods anyways.

That's two weapons that are available as free mods, and a recycled weapon from Fallout 3. Shame Obsidian and Bethesda.


Edit: Oh and I forgot, seven of the so called "new weapons" are identical to their vanilla counterparts in every way except for having "GRA" added to their names and the ability to be modded.

Edit: Oh, the "Nuka Grenade" is recycled from Fallout 3 as well. That's two so called "new" weapons recycled from Fallout 3.
 
Courier said:
What's the point of including a non-unique version of a unique weapon?
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Eh, I guess if a person doesn't have Jury Rigging then they could use those to repair the unique ones. Or maybe the possibility of finding them prior to their unique versions?

Or wait, the GRA items don't spawn on enemies do they? Only available at the Gun Runner's shop outside Vegas? If so the 5.56mm Pistol sounds like the dumbest idea I've ever heard, as you will way more likely come across it in the Novac shop before ever getting to the Gun Runner's shop.

Now This Machine on the other hand, requires you to be friendly enough with the NCR to do their quest for it. I suppose having the Battle Rifle there is alright for Caesar's Legion players or just anarchists in general.

Also, weapon mods maybe. Unique versions can't use them, so they give the players non-uniques and some weapon mods to go on them? Wouldn't mind a scoped Battle Rifle TBQH.
 
Reconite said:
Or wait, the GRA items don't spawn on enemies do they? Only available at the Gun Runner's shop outside Vegas? If so the 5.56mm Pistol sounds like the dumbest idea I've ever heard, as you will way more likely come across it in the Novac shop before ever getting to the Gun Runner's shop.

Now This Machine on the other hand, requires you to be friendly enough with the NCR to do their quest for it. I suppose having the Battle Rifle there is alright for Caesar's Legion players or just anarchists in general.
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The non-unique That Gun is dumb if it doesn't spawn on enemies, and appears to only be there to bolster the "weapons added" numbers. I see your point on the non-unique This Machine, but that still doesn't change the fact that it's already available for free as a mod and the mod causes it and the 5.56mm pistol to spawn on enemies.

Also, weapon mods maybe. Unique versions can't use them, so they give the players non-uniques and some weapon mods to go on them? Wouldn't mind a scoped Battle Rifle TBQH.
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I just found it dishonest that they're counting these as "new weapons" though.

Not to mention that like the 5.56mm pistol and the Battle Rifle, these mods are all already available in a free mod on the Nexus (the 5.56mm pistol and Battle Rifle are actually from the weapon-mod mod, it seems that Obsidian just downloaded 'Weapon Mods Expanded' off the Nexus and is now trying to sell it as "new content").


Edit: Also anyone want to bet that the "Tin Grenade" is just a re-texture of the Nuka-Grenade?

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Edit: So technically there are only 16 new weapons added in this DLC. Seven are vanilla weapons with their names changed, two are ported from Fallout 3, and two are taken from free mods. I'm also being nice by counting the re-textures as "new weapons".


Edit: It's also debatable whether or not this counts as a "new" weapon, since the texture and models already existed in the game:

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Courier said:
I just found it dishonest that they're counting these as "new weapons" though.

Not to mention that like the 5.56mm pistol and the Battle Rifle, these mods are all already available in a free mod on the Nexus (the 5.56mm pistol and Battle Rifle are actually from the weapon-mod mod, it seems that Obsidian just downloaded 'Weapon Mods Expanded' off the Nexus and is now trying to sell it as "new content").
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I think it's unfair that you're considering the That Gun and This Machine models/textures to belong to modders rather than Obsidian, and repeatedly credit the modders for making non-unique versions of them. The 5.56mm Pistol and Battle Rifle may turn out to be retextures of the unique weapons, but how is this in any way copying modders when it was their resources in the first place and that the Battle Rifle was a cut content weapon from NV anyway. You act like the guy who decided to use the That Gun model and call it a 5.56mm Pistol invented the whole damn idea.
Courier said:
Edit: It's also debatable whether or not this counts as a "new" weapon, since the texture and models already existed in the game:

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Now you're just nitpicking (or rather, have been for quite some time), I'm pretty sure just because there's a mini-nuke and a sensor module in-game doesn't mean that they function the same as a weapon which uses the damn models of them.
 
Reconite said:
I think it's unfair that you're considering the That Gun and This Machine models/textures to belong to modders rather than Obsidian, and repeatedly credit the modders for making non-unique versions of them. The 5.56mm Pistol and Battle Rifle may turn out to be retextures of the unique weapons, but how is this in any way copying modders when it was their resources in the first place and that the Battle Rifle was a cut content weapon from NV anyway. You act like the guy who decided to use the That Gun model and call it a 5.56mm Pistol invented the whole damn idea.
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I haven't seen a pic of the Battle Rifle but the 5.56mm is definitely exactly the same as the one you can get in the mod. I'm not saying that the modders "invented" the idea, I'm just saying that Obsidian is trying to sell something you can get for free elsewhere. Hell, they even copied the "Battle Rifle" name from the mod. They literally just took something a modder had made and slapped a price tag on it, and while that's technically legal since they own it all I honestly don't understand how you can defend actions like that.

Plus, the GRA does less than the mod because (I'm pretty sure) you can only buy these non-unique weapons at the Gun Runner's outside Vegas. The mod adds them to the list of weapons that NPC's use so that there's a bit more diversity.


Now you're just nitpicking (or rather, have been for quite some time), I'm pretty sure just because there's a mini-nuke and a sensor module in-game doesn't mean that they function the same as a weapon which uses the damn models of them.
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That's why I said it's debatable. While the models and textures already existed in the game, it still probably took someone a couple minutes to merge the sensor module and mini nuke together and make it function as a "mine" (which is more than you can say for most of the "new weapons" added in this pack).
 
And again sure a pc owener can get all this weapons from mods and so on, but lets face it the majority of players are on consoles and they dont get mods.
For them this is the first time they get these weapons,
 
To be fair, these packs are really intended for people who can't use mods - namely, the console gamers or people who just are completely ignorant of mod usage.

Hell, even the Courier's Stash can be rebuilt and created as mods (and they have been).

I don't mind it, myself, as long as they don't do the DLC like Fable or other RPGs have. The price is within reason, in my opinion, for an extra addon with some more unnecessary gear.
 
Courier said:
Hell, they even copied the "Battle Rifle" name from the mod. They literally just took something a modder had made and slapped a price tag on it
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You really have no idea what you're talking about do you?

http://fallout.wikia.com/wiki/This_Machine
In the game's files, as well as the G.E.C.K, This Machine is referred to as "WeapNVBattleRifleUnique", hinting that it was originally supposed to be the unique variant of a cut "Battle Rifle".
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The cut content non-unique This Machine was CALLED the Battle Rifle.

And as for the 5.56mm Pistol's texture being copied, are you kidding me? It's just a cleaner, more black texture on That Gun, you gonna tell me modders invented the colour black too? :lol: It only makes sense that a Gun Runner distributed version of That Gun would be clean and not scratched up and battered like That Gun's texture. The lengths you're going to to vilify Obsidian are quite silly, and while some of the pack is stupid, your complaints for the non-unique-unique weapons are inane.
 
DevilTakeMe said:
To be fair, these packs are really intended for people who can't use mods - namely, the console gamers or people who just are completely ignorant of mod usage.
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Still, I find the whole thing insulting and dishonest business practice (seven of the "new weapons" are just re-named vanilla weapons that can now be modded. Why couldn't they have just made the vanilla weapons moddable? Because by making these "GRA weapons" it makes it look like you're getting more for your money than you really are. This is dishonest even to people who can't download mods).

I don't mind it, myself, as long as they don't do the DLC like Fable or other RPGs have. The price is within reason, in my opinion, for an extra addon with some more unnecessary gear.
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You honestly think 16 new weapons and a couple new ammo types (which require no new models or textures by the way, only new names and stats) is really worth almost half the price of a DLC like OWB or Dead Money?
 
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