Guns n Ammo

Discussion in 'General Fallout Discussion' started by Werwolf, Jul 17, 2007.

  1. Werwolf

    Werwolf First time out of the vault

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    Jun 23, 2007
    I have some questions:

    1) What 5mm ammunition for? Is it chipper analoque of .223 bullets?
    Or in designed especially for miniguns as light ammunition and assault rifle
    uses same ammo just because minigun use it?
    2) 10mm ammunition. WTF? Bullets of future? Why not 45cal? What game designers
    mind when put this caliber to game?
    3) Hunting rifle - is it conversed M16 rifle?
    4) AK-112 - is it something mid between AK-47 and M16 ?
    5) Why sniper rifle was cutted to .223 caliber, for what?
    6) Who producing 223cal pistols? In Fallout it was unique, but in Fallout2 they are many.
    7) Is Bozar was conversed form Barret M82 rifle? If so, prototype was much better and realistic.
     
  2. Sander

    Sander This ghoul has seen it all
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    Jul 5, 2003
    Here's the answer to all of your question:
    It's a game and the creators created their own fictional world.
     
  3. SuAside

    SuAside Testament to the ghoul lifespan
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    May 27, 2004
    chipper? i'll assume you mean cheaper?

    anyway, the standard military round in FO is 5mm. .223 is a civilian round mostly in this game.
    to drive the point home that it is an ALTERNATE future. their timeline diverts from ours around that 1950's.

    other times, other filosophy, other ammo.

    that being said, a real world 10mm Auto is an awesome round, way better than the .45ACP, but the problem is most guns AND SHOOTERS cant handle the 10mm Auto.
    yes and no. it's just a standard generic patched up hunting rifle. but probably inspired off a bushmaster a lil'.
    the name is somewhat of a brainfart, but i'd say overall, the AK-112 in FO1 is more inspired off the AR10 than off the AK-47 or the M16. especially if you look at the earlier AR10 brown prototypes.
    because the devs obviously weren't gunnuts ;)
    brainfart in FO2 development. there are plenty of such brainfarts: MP references, New Reno, Arroyo,...
    the Bozar is no doubt inspired off the Barrett line of guns, but i'm guessing the original use wouldve been to have it as a single shot sniper rifle.

    i'm guessing they didn't want to add a special calibre for a single weapon, so they dumped the idea, but were stuck with a sexy looking model. instead of discarting it, they used the model for a burstfiring .223 sniper-like thing.


    edit: typo
     
  4. Ah-Teen

    Ah-Teen Vault Senior Citizen
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    Jun 21, 2007
    It would be for the fact that it is smaller. Likely is that better powders would allow it to have the same killing ability as a modern 5.56 mm(.223 cal)

    And yes if your main weapon IE miniguns use it, why pay for another round?

    There already is a 10mm round.
    Such weapons Include:
    Glock 20
    Glock 29
    Bren 10
    Colt Delta Elite
    and so on...
    http://guitarsalon.biz/10mm/

    MM isn't caliber it's millimeter. Caliber is a relic of the british imperial system in which an inch is divided into 100 parts. .50 caliber is a 1/2 of an inch.

    No, there are alot of hunting rifles that are made for the 5.56 round.

    The Ak line currently is still under development, though now they use synthetic furniture instead of that beautiful wood. I think I've seen numbers as high as ak-110 and 112 but the highest I've been able to look up in 5 minutes was the ak-105. Such sexy guns ^..^
    http://club.guns.ru/eng/ak100.htm

    Cheap accurate round good for turning insides into mush? It is a hunting cartage for deer.


    There ya go, a .223 pistol built off an ar. The 223 pistol thing was supposed to be an easter egg thingy, being it looks like the PPG from blade runner. Don't ask for logic in this case it wont work, they just decided to throw it in anywhere.

    It's just a game.... Where did they get that SMG? It would have been realistic if they just use an mp5k or mp5 navy, but you know what, that is expensive because they have to buy the rights to the name to use it in the game.
     
  5. Sorrow

    Sorrow So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs

    Feb 9, 2006
    Actually, I would say that 5mm ammo is used because it's lighter which allows soldiers to carry more ammo, allows excelent accuracy in full auto mode due to small recoil and allows to spray at extreme rates of fire, which would allow various crazy weapons like miniguns or two barrelled support weapons.

    No, it's a Colt Rangemaster hunting rifle.

    Actually, AK-112 didn't make sense - in game it was used by US Army and used the same ammo as American miniguns. So either it's a new weapon brand (Auto Killer for example) or could use a rename.

    It's because it's an alternative universe with alternative weapons and a fucking future, not because of licence issues. Actually it's the first time I hear about having to buy rights to a weapon name to use it in game.
     
  6. Ah-Teen

    Ah-Teen Vault Senior Citizen
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    Jun 21, 2007
    I was thinking that! even though I forgot to tell it.

    FO2....

    Happens all the time. Prime example is CS:S they didn't use the real names because they didn't want to pay for them. CS could get away with it because it was originaly a third party mod made by fans who didn't have to pay royalties.

    That said... its a game set 180 years in the future.
     
  7. Sorrow

    Sorrow So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs

    Feb 9, 2006
    What with Fo2?

    Err...
    So, creators of JA 2, Close Combat, Fo2, FT, etc. had to pay royalities for using RL guns? I don't believe it.
     
  8. Werwolf

    Werwolf First time out of the vault

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    Jun 23, 2007
    I didn't know that need rights for weapons to use it in games whooa... It answers for many my questions
    But developers said it 2077 years, but 1950-s things are just for atmosphere
    Hmm... so they need to pay to weapon creators or not? I know that Soviet weapons wasnt licensed because they need their allies produce it without problem. But all other weapons are licenced and we need to pay to use in games? Rly? If I put M16 in my game i need buy licence? A?
     
  9. SuAside

    SuAside Testament to the ghoul lifespan
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    May 27, 2004
    the .223 is an EXTREMELY CRAPPY deer hunting cartrigde...

    there is absolutely no way to know that since we do not know the length of the cartridge nor the powder used.
     
  10. Sorrow

    Sorrow So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs

    Feb 9, 2006
    It's two times lighter than .223 and the damage of AR is smaller than HR.
     
  11. Ah-Teen

    Ah-Teen Vault Senior Citizen
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    Jun 21, 2007
    I hear about people using them around here all the time. That said I don't hunt.

    you have a point.
     
  12. Werwolf

    Werwolf First time out of the vault

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    Jun 23, 2007
    So what about my question? They really need to pay for using weapons in game or not?
     
  13. SuAside

    SuAside Testament to the ghoul lifespan
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    May 27, 2004
    on deer? most hunters overhere would consider that cruelty to animals. if you're not sure you can take it with a single shot, don't shoot it...

    paying for it is rather unlikely, but i think it would be best to ask permission if you're going to use it in a very big project.

    anyway, FO guns were meant to be generic. the fact that they needed to be generic has nothing to do with legal stuff. it was meant to reflect that our world and the FO world are not the same.
     
  14. Stock

    Stock Still Mildly Glowing

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    Nov 17, 2005
    You guys are just being anal.
     
  15. Ah-Teen

    Ah-Teen Vault Senior Citizen
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    Jun 21, 2007
    People here are morons who believe animals don't have emotions and don't have real needs beyond eat, sleep, and fuck. Pisses me off every time I see a large breed dog locked in a 4 x 4 foot cage. Which is often. People here just in general suck ass.
     
  16. retro

    retro First time out of the vault

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    Jul 3, 2007
    Its illegal to hunt deer with a 223 in most states.
     
  17. Tagaziel

    Tagaziel Panzerkatze Staff Member Admin Orderite

    Dec 10, 2003
    I still wonder why hunters don't just use large caliber sniper rifles and assault rifles. The animal doesn't stand a fucking chance anyway, so why bother with regular rifles?
     
  18. SuAside

    SuAside Testament to the ghoul lifespan
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    May 27, 2004
    most hunters use scoped bolt action rifles (and those are NOT sniper rifles, Grizzly). most commonly in 30-06, .308 and .300WM i guess. a single decently placed shot with those will usually kill the deer quick.

    hunting with "assault rifles" (for which i'll assume for now that you mean semi-automatic "Black Rifles) isn't usually looked favorable upon, because you'd need several shots to take the animal down most of the time. (this is mostly because hunters don't want to score headshots that ruin their trophy)
    anyway, hunters shoot the body and with an 5.56mm or a 7.62x39 bullet, you really aren't sure the animal will go down with less than 3 hits. which is why most people dont want to hunt with an AR15, an AK or an SKS.
     
  19. El_Smacko

    El_Smacko It Wandered In From the Wastes

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    Jul 12, 2007
    For the matter of buying licensing to guns, I think it's only an issue if it's a name brand gun.

    For example, a 9mm pistol is a 9mm pistol, nobody owns the rights. However, a Glock 12 is a specific name brand product, like a Chrysler Cheville or Tide cleaning product, it needs to be licensed.
     
  20. Sorrow

    Sorrow So Old I'm Losing Radiation Signs

    Feb 9, 2006
    Isn't using names like Colt or Winchester or H&K or Glock using brandnames?