Guns n Ammo

[Werwolf]

I have some questions:

1) What 5mm ammunition for? Is it chipper analoque of .223 bullets?
Or in designed especially for miniguns as light ammunition and assault rifle
uses same ammo just because minigun use it?
2) 10mm ammunition. WTF? Bullets of future? Why not 45cal? What game designers
mind when put this caliber to game?
3) Hunting rifle - is it conversed M16 rifle?
4) AK-112 - is it something mid between AK-47 and M16 ?
5) Why sniper rifle was cutted to .223 caliber, for what?
6) Who producing 223cal pistols? In Fallout it was unique, but in Fallout2 they are many.
7) Is Bozar was conversed form Barret M82 rifle? If so, prototype was much better and realistic.

 

[Sander]

Here's the answer to all of your question:
It's a game and the creators created their own fictional world.

 

[SuAside]

1) What 5mm ammunition for? Is it chipper analoque of .223 bullets?
Or in designed especially for miniguns as light ammunition and assault rifle
uses same ammo just because minigun use it?

chipper? i'll assume you mean cheaper?

anyway, the standard military round in FO is 5mm. .223 is a civilian round mostly in this game.

2) 10mm ammunition. WTF? Bullets of future? Why not 45cal? What game designers
mind when put this caliber to game?

to drive the point home that it is an ALTERNATE future. their timeline diverts from ours around that 1950's.

other times, other filosophy, other ammo.

that being said, a real world 10mm Auto is an awesome round, way better than the .45ACP, but the problem is most guns AND SHOOTERS cant handle the 10mm Auto.

3) Hunting rifle - is it conversed M16 rifle?

yes and no. it's just a standard generic patched up hunting rifle. but probably inspired off a bushmaster a lil'.

4) AK-112 - is it something mid between AK-47 and M16 ?

the name is somewhat of a brainfart, but i'd say overall, the AK-112 in FO1 is more inspired off the AR10 than off the AK-47 or the M16. especially if you look at the earlier AR10 brown prototypes.

5) Why sniper rifle was cutted to .223 caliber, for what?

because the devs obviously weren't gunnuts

6) Who producing 223cal pistols? In Fallout it was unique, but in Fallout2 they are many.

brainfart in FO2 development. there are plenty of such brainfarts: MP references, New Reno, Arroyo,...

7) Is Bozar was conversed form Barret M82 rifle? If so, prototype was much better and realistic.

the Bozar is no doubt inspired off the Barrett line of guns, but i'm guessing the original use wouldve been to have it as a single shot sniper rifle.

i'm guessing they didn't want to add a special calibre for a single weapon, so they dumped the idea, but were stuck with a sexy looking model. instead of discarting it, they used the model for a burstfiring .223 sniper-like thing.


edit: typo

 

[Ah-Teen]

I have some questions:

1) What 5mm ammunition for? Is it chipper analoque of .223 bullets?
Or in designed especially for miniguns as light ammunition and assault rifle uses same ammo just because minigun use it?

It would be for the fact that it is smaller. Likely is that better powders would allow it to have the same killing ability as a modern 5.56 mm(.223 cal)

And yes if your main weapon IE miniguns use it, why pay for another round?

2) 10mm ammunition. WTF? Bullets of future? Why not 45cal? What game designers
mind when put this caliber to game?

There already is a 10mm round.
Such weapons Include:
Glock 20
Glock 29
Bren 10
Colt Delta Elite
and so on...
http://guitarsalon.biz/10mm/

MM isn't caliber it's millimeter. Caliber is a relic of the british imperial system in which an inch is divided into 100 parts. .50 caliber is a 1/2 of an inch.

3) Hunting rifle - is it conversed M16 rifle?

No, there are alot of hunting rifles that are made for the 5.56 round.

4) AK-112 - is it something mid between AK-47 and M16 ?

The Ak line currently is still under development, though now they use synthetic furniture instead of that beautiful wood. I think I've seen numbers as high as ak-110 and 112 but the highest I've been able to look up in 5 minutes was the ak-105. Such sexy guns ^..^
http://club.guns.ru/eng/ak100.htm

5) Why sniper rifle was cutted to .223 caliber, for what?

Cheap accurate round good for turning insides into mush? It is a hunting cartage for deer.

6) Who producing 223cal pistols? In Fallout it was unique, but in Fallout2 they are many.

There ya go, a .223 pistol built off an ar. The 223 pistol thing was supposed to be an easter egg thingy, being it looks like the PPG from blade runner. Don't ask for logic in this case it wont work, they just decided to throw it in anywhere.

7) Is Bozar was conversed form Barret M82 rifle? If so, prototype was much better and realistic.

It's just a game.... Where did they get that SMG? It would have been realistic if they just use an mp5k or mp5 navy, but you know what, that is expensive because they have to buy the rights to the name to use it in the game.

 

[Sorrow]

I have some questions:

1) What 5mm ammunition for? Is it chipper analoque of .223 bullets?
Or in designed especially for miniguns as light ammunition and assault rifle uses same ammo just because minigun use it?

It would be for the fact that it is smaller. Likely is that better powders would allow it to have the same killing ability as a modern 5.56 mm(.223 cal)

And yes if your main weapon IE miniguns use it, why pay for another round?

Actually, I would say that 5mm ammo is used because it's lighter which allows soldiers to carry more ammo, allows excelent accuracy in full auto mode due to small recoil and allows to spray at extreme rates of fire, which would allow various crazy weapons like miniguns or two barrelled support weapons.

3) Hunting rifle - is it conversed M16 rifle?

No, it's a Colt Rangemaster hunting rifle.

4) AK-112 - is it something mid between AK-47 and M16 ?

The Ak line currently is still under development, though now they use synthetic furniture instead of that beautiful wood. I think I've seen numbers as high as ak-110 and 112 but the highest I've been able to look up in 5 minutes was the ak-105. Such sexy guns ^..^
http://club.guns.ru/eng/ak100.htm

Actually, AK-112 didn't make sense - in game it was used by US Army and used the same ammo as American miniguns. So either it's a new weapon brand (Auto Killer for example) or could use a rename.

It's just a game.... Where did they get that SMG? It would have been realistic if they just use an mp5k or mp5 navy, but you know what, that is expensive because they have to buy the rights to the name to use it in the game.

It's because it's an alternative universe with alternative weapons and a fucking future, not because of licence issues. Actually it's the first time I hear about having to buy rights to a weapon name to use it in game.

 

[Ah-Teen]

I have some questions:

1) What 5mm ammunition for? Is it chipper analoque of .223 bullets?
Or in designed especially for miniguns as light ammunition and assault rifle uses same ammo just because minigun use it?

It would be for the fact that it is smaller. Likely is that better powders would allow it to have the same killing ability as a modern 5.56 mm(.223 cal)

And yes if your main weapon IE miniguns use it, why pay for another round?

Actually, I would say that 5mm ammo is used because it's lighter which allows soldiers to carry more ammo, allows excelent accuracy
in full auto mode due to small recoil and allows to spray at extreme rates of fire, which would allow various crazy weapons like miniguns or two barrelled support weapons.

I was thinking that! even though I forgot to tell it.

It's just a game.... Where did they get that SMG? It would have been realistic if they just use an mp5k or mp5 navy, but you know what, that is expensive because they have to buy the rights to the name to use it in the game.

It's because it's an alternative universe with alternative weapons and a fucking future, not because of licence issues. Actually it's the first time I hear about having to buy rights to a weapon name to use it in game.

FO2....

Happens all the time. Prime example is CS:S they didn't use the real names because they didn't want to pay for them. CS could get away with it because it was originaly a third party mod made by fans who didn't have to pay royalties.

That said... its a game set 180 years in the future.

 

[Sorrow]

FO2....

What with Fo2?

Happens all the time. Prime example is CS:S they didn't use the real names because they didn't want to pay for them. CS could get away with it because it was originaly a third party mod made by fans who didn't have to pay royalties.

That said... its a game set 180 years in the future.

Err...
So, creators of JA 2, Close Combat, Fo2, FT, etc. had to pay royalities for using RL guns? I don't believe it.

 

[Werwolf]

It would have been realistic if they just use an mp5k or mp5 navy, but you know what, that is expensive because they have to buy the rights to the name to use it in the game.

I didn't know that need rights for weapons to use it in games whooa... It answers for many my questions

to drive the point home that it is an ALTERNATE future. their timeline diverts from ours around that 1950's.

But developers said it 2077 years, but 1950-s things are just for atmosphere

So, creators of JA 2, Close Combat, Fo2, FT, etc. had to pay royalities for using RL guns? I don't believe it.

Hmm... so they need to pay to weapon creators or not? I know that Soviet weapons wasnt licensed because they need their allies produce it without problem. But all other weapons are licenced and we need to pay to use in games? Rly? If I put M16 in my game i need buy licence? A?

 

[SuAside]

Cheap accurate round good for turning insides into mush? It is a hunting cartage for deer.

the .223 is an EXTREMELY CRAPPY deer hunting cartrigde...

Actually, I would say that 5mm ammo is used because it's lighter which allows soldiers to carry more ammo, allows excelent accuracy in full auto mode due to small recoil and allows to spray at extreme rates of fire, which would allow various crazy weapons like miniguns or two barrelled support weapons.

there is absolutely no way to know that since we do not know the length of the cartridge nor the powder used.

 

[Sorrow]

there is absolutely no way to know that since we do not know the length of the cartridge nor the powder used.

It's two times lighter than .223 and the damage of AR is smaller than HR.

 

[Ah-Teen]

Cheap accurate round good for turning insides into mush? It is a hunting cartage for deer.

the .223 is an EXTREMELY CRAPPY deer hunting cartrigde...

Actually, I would say that 5mm ammo is used because it's lighter which allows soldiers to carry more ammo, allows excelent accuracy in full auto mode due to small recoil and allows to spray at extreme rates of fire, which would allow various crazy weapons like miniguns or two barrelled support weapons.

there is absolutely no way to know that since we do not know the length of the cartridge nor the powder used.

I hear about people using them around here all the time. That said I don't hunt.

you have a point.

 

[Werwolf]

So what about my question? They really need to pay for using weapons in game or not?

 

[SuAside]

I hear about people using them around here all the time. That said I don't hunt.
you have a point.

on deer? most hunters overhere would consider that cruelty to animals. if you're not sure you can take it with a single shot, don't shoot it...

So what about my question? They really need to pay for using weapons in game or not?

paying for it is rather unlikely, but i think it would be best to ask permission if you're going to use it in a very big project.

anyway, FO guns were meant to be generic. the fact that they needed to be generic has nothing to do with legal stuff. it was meant to reflect that our world and the FO world are not the same.

 

[Stock]

You guys are just being anal.

 

[Ah-Teen]

I hear about people using them around here all the time. That said I don't hunt.
you have a point.

on deer? most hunters overhere would consider that cruelty to animals. if you're not sure you can take it with a single shot, don't shoot it...

People here are morons who believe animals don't have emotions and don't have real needs beyond eat, sleep, and fuck. Pisses me off every time I see a large breed dog locked in a 4 x 4 foot cage. Which is often. People here just in general suck ass.

 

[retro]

Its illegal to hunt deer with a 223 in most states.

 

[Tagaziel]

Its illegal to hunt deer with a 223 in most states.

I still wonder why hunters don't just use large caliber sniper rifles and assault rifles. The animal doesn't stand a fucking chance anyway, so why bother with regular rifles?

 

[SuAside]

I still wonder why hunters don't just use large caliber sniper rifles and assault rifles. The animal doesn't stand a fucking chance anyway, so why bother with regular rifles?

most hunters use scoped bolt action rifles (and those are NOT sniper rifles, Grizzly). most commonly in 30-06, .308 and .300WM i guess. a single decently placed shot with those will usually kill the deer quick.

hunting with "assault rifles" (for which i'll assume for now that you mean semi-automatic "Black Rifles) isn't usually looked favorable upon, because you'd need several shots to take the animal down most of the time. (this is mostly because hunters don't want to score headshots that ruin their trophy)
anyway, hunters shoot the body and with an 5.56mm or a 7.62x39 bullet, you really aren't sure the animal will go down with less than 3 hits. which is why most people dont want to hunt with an AR15, an AK or an SKS.

 

[El_Smacko]

For the matter of buying licensing to guns, I think it's only an issue if it's a name brand gun.

For example, a 9mm pistol is a 9mm pistol, nobody owns the rights. However, a Glock 12 is a specific name brand product, like a Chrysler Cheville or Tide cleaning product, it needs to be licensed.

 

[Sorrow]

Isn't using names like Colt or Winchester or H&K or Glock using brandnames?