Has the Nobel Peace Prize gone completely insane?

Jebus said:
You know, in the past Henry Kissinger has gotten the Nobel Peace price.
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I believe that this was because he had contributed to the ending of the Vietnam war, didn't he?
 
Silencer said:
Jebus said:
You know, in the past Henry Kissinger has gotten the Nobel Peace price.
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I believe that this was because he had contributed to the ending of the Vietnam war, didn't he?
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Yeah, but they conveniently forgot all the bloody coups he helped organizing in South-America...
 
Funnily enough, both the mentioned prizes (Arafat/Rabin/Peres and Kissinger/Tho) have been awarded jointly. That's the catch - you can't reward just one side of a peace agreement, can you?

And quite frankly, I've got little illusions about the Nobel Peace Prize since 1983 - the year it was awarded to Lech Walesa. Come on...
 
I heard about that story. Saw the previews for the show on USA or TNT whichever it was.

Anyhow, frankly, I could give a rat's ass if Bush wins it or not. I stopped caring when Arafat was nominated. The one award I really like, are the Darwin awards. Ha ha! Oh, great fun they were.
 
Hell, I hope that Bush and Blair refuse the prizes, the Nobel commite is a complete joke, has been since before Arafat recived it.
 
[3PD said:
PsychoSniper]Hell, I hope that Bush and Blair refuse the prizes.
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Yeah, that would be the coolest thing they could possibly do.
Nobel Committee: "Here you go, president Bush."
Bush: "Nah. You keep it."
Nobel Committee: "Why is that?"
Bush: "I'm having too much fun already. No peace for this guy."
Blair: "Same here."

Uhm... well, I'm not that funny lately, I know... :roll:

The Nobel committee is a complete joke, has been since before Arafat recived it.
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Ain't that the truth.

:arrow: Applying the Italian Sobrero's methods, he succeeded in further developing the explosive nitroglycerine, which he began manufacturing in Sweden in 1864. Plants subsequently opened in Germany and Norway, and then in other European countries and America. In 1867, Nobel obtained a patent on a special type of nitroglycerine, which he called "dynamite".

:arrow: In January 1897 it was learned that he had left the bulk of his considerable estate to a fund, the interest on which was to be awarded annually to the persons whose work had been of the greatest benefit to mankind.

Someone should've blown him up, instead. That would have benefitted mankind a whole lot more. :twisted:
 
Nobel didnt make a special type of nitroglycerin and it has always been called Dynamite, what Nobel did was to improve the dynamite and make it saver. The old dynamite "version" could explode if you shook it to hard claiming thousands of lives in mining citys around the world, Nobels mixture he added to the dynamite made it alot safer to handle.
 
It also made it easier to use for destructive purposes. But he hated the fact that that was done with his inventions, kind of like some of the atomic scientists and the a-bomb in the 1930s/40s/50s.
 
Snake said:
Nobel didnt make a special type of nitroglycerin and it has always been called Dynamite, what Nobel did was to improve the dynamite and make it saver.
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That's what I wrote (I quoted something from the Internet). :wink:

Snake said:
The old dynamite "version" could explode if you shook it to hard claiming thousands of lives in mining citys around the world, Nobels mixture he added to the dynamite made it alot safer to handle.
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Yes, and probably a lot more efficient too. I don't see how explosives really helped mankind or made our lives better. You can dig for stuff with drills and axes and shit too. Explosives just made it a whole lot easier and quicker to do. Which only tells me that mankind is lazy, that's all. :wink:
 
There were no "automatic" drills back then. And his dynamite was probably mostly used in the US to mine gold.
 
Sander said:
It also made it easier to use for destructive purposes. But he hated the fact that that was done with his inventions, kind of like some of the atomic scientists and the a-bomb in the 1930s/40s/50s.
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Yeah, that is so bloody typical for "men of science", isn't it? They make the most destructive shit and when it's actually being used for mayhem and destruction, they go: "Oh shit, I never wanted this to happen." What did they think then, huh? That someone was going to use the atomic bomb to make it a little warmer in wintertime? Or hell, why not use a nuclear missile to prepare dinner for a whole lot of people at the same time? A big freaking BBQ!
Thing is: I like science, but some of the biggest scientists have proven to be the biggest hypocrits imaginable. Nobel was no exception. If you have the IQ to develop shit like that, you should have the IQ to see what the eventual consequences will be.
The Nobel Prize is one big joke. And the people it is given to are usually big jokers as well. Even the cultural prizes reek from afar: like when they give the Nobel Prize for Literature to some obscure Chinese author only Chinese people have ever heard about (or Polish or Tibetan, for all I care), and then all the publishing houses in the world go like: "Oh, who the fuck is that guy? Oh, who cares, anyway. He got the Nobel Prize: let's translate all his books and hype him so we can make big bucks on this no-one-ever-heard-about-this-guy-before." It's stupid.
The guys who refuse the prize, now those guys are cool. That's like saying: "You know this prize stinks in every possible way. Don't bother infecting me with it's stench as well."

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Damn: I'd refuse it. (I'll never get it, though. Unless, one day, they want to give it to some obscure Flemish author no one ever heard about before...) :roll:
 
Well that's how science works doesn't it? The person who makes the best crater gets the price...

Actually I think with big genious (if there is something like that) comes big stupidity.. it's like love making blind...
For Example Werner von Braun.. he had such a fucking fetish on rockets that he cared a fuck who would get bombed with them... just concentrating on making the coolest rocket...
 
I find you all thoroughly amusing. First off, Nobel added sawdust to the nitrogylcerin. It is a stabilizer. It allowed the dynamite to be packaged into sticks for use in mining. Using it this way saved lives becuase it reduced the risk of unforeseen cave-ins on peoples noggins. It also allowed strip mining and mining on a grand scale, like taking off mountain tops. That it was a convenient high-explosive in an artillery shell was an unfortunate, but obvious side-effect. That Nobel was altruistic and enough of a humantarian to begin the prizes that bear his name is his real genius and legacy. They strive to acknowledge the things that make humanity better Thanks for shitting on that, makees you characters look really great. :roll:

Nuclear bombs also save lives by assuring Mutually Assured Destruction (MAD) and that starting a war would have such profound consequences. Hence the Cold War, which was ended by and large through peace and economics. The theories underlying fission also power the computer you are using now, in one of the most overall environmentally sound methods available. No? What about the acid rain and degradation caused by coal-fired plants? Chernobyl was the exception.

The best inventions are the ones that change the most lives. von Braun led us to space. Nobel led us to cheap materials for industry. Einstein led us to cheap energy. They all also led us to massive suffering and death. But they all changed our lives greatly.

The Peace Prize is taken in its own context and as much in a carrot and stick method as any.
 
Einstein also said:
"Any intelligent fool can make things bigger, more complex, and more violent. It takes a touch
of genius -- and a lot of courage -- to move in the opposite direction."

"You cannot simultaneously prevent and prepare for war."

"The pioneers of a warless world are the youth who refuse military service."

"Technological progress is like an axe in the hands of a pathological criminal."

"Peace cannot be kept by force. It can only be achieved by understanding."

"We can't solve problems by using the same kind of thinking we used when we created them."

"I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones."
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Murdoch said:
Nuclear bombs also save lives by assuring Mutually Assured Destruction (MAD) and that starting a war would have such profound consequences. Hence the Cold War
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Yeah, but MAD isn't going to be an issue for long anymore though, I think. With all the research going into FSC and methods to defend yourself from incoming rockets (like the space-shield the USA are researching. Allright, it's crappy now, but if they pump enough funds into it, it just has to work someday...)

And, since the USA are the only ones capable (and willing) to pump enough funds in this, I actually have a scary vision of the future containing the USA and... Nothing more.


EDIT: FSC = First Strike Capability
 
Ozrat said:
Einstein also said:
""I know not with what weapons World War III will be fought, but World War IV will be fought with sticks and stones."
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That quote is probably the most blilliant one ever. I acually almost came to tears when I first read that one. (And that was on Operation Flashpoint, IIRC)
 
Murdoch, did you read the above posts before wanting to make us look like fools? Sometimes I wonder what you think, you're complicated. Talking about pigeonholing huh? I didn't want to take any side here before you began to pretend your king of the boards. I just quoted someone about science. I never said "Science SUXXOR!" or something retarded like that.

Also, about nukes, you can only say that since there wasn't a WW3. Sure, they have saved lives by preventing war because of MAD, but that could change real quick, and almost did. Cuban Missile Crisis anyone?
 
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