How could've the Legion be less...terrible?

[Plautus]

@Plautus
Well i prefer some generic raider group over a bad representation of the romans. I mean all the ideological problems we find, arise because they labeled their quite generic raider gruop 'Cesears Legion' while they're in nearly no way linked to the real roman legions.
So take away the label and people would at least not argue that this is not a good dpeiction of something really roman. And i think it's much less work than to correct all faults and add more depth to them.

I think that it would be more interesting if they actually kept up with the "misinterpreted Romans" theme. The Legion is sort of like the Kings gang in that it plays on the old idea of "a little knowledge is a dangerous thing" and is actually quite a clever premise. I think; however, that motif should have been followed through a little better. For example:

If Caesar was a Follower, he had access to old world books about the Romans. I think it would be hilarious if Caesar learned most of what he knew about the Romans from an old 1950's-style Latin textbook. He would therefore think the historical Caesar was an invincible God (unaware of his assassination) and the Roman armies the greatest in history. From illustrations, he would see that Roman soldiers looked like this. It would be hilarious if the Legion treated old Latin textbooks as a sort of holy scripture. Such a misunderstanding, I feel, if it were done right, would be a great bit of humor that would fit into Fallout well. It might be a little tougher than just turning the Legion into a generic tribe of jackasses; however, I feel as if it would be much more worthwhile.

 

[Bad_Karma]

@Plautus
Well i prefer some generic raider group over a bad representation of the romans. I mean all the ideological problems we find, arise because they labeled their quite generic raider gruop 'Cesears Legion' while they're in nearly no way linked to the real roman legions.
So take away the label and people would at least not argue that this is not a good dpeiction of something really roman. And i think it's much less work than to correct all faults and add more depth to them.

I think that it would be more interesting if they actually kept up with the "misinterpreted Romans" theme. The Legion is sort of like the Kings gang in that it plays on the old idea of "a little knowledge is a dangerous thing" and is actually quite a clever premise. I think; however, that motif should have been followed through a little better. For example:

If Caesar was a Follower, he had access to old world books about the Romans. I think it would be hilarious if Caesar learned most of what he knew about the Romans from an old 1950's-style Latin textbook. He would therefore think the historical Caesar was an invincible God (unaware of his assassination) and the Roman armies the greatest in history. From illustrations, he would see that Roman soldiers looked like this. It would be hilarious if the Legion treated old Latin textbooks as a sort of holy scripture. Such a misunderstanding, I feel, if it were done right, would be a great bit of humor that would fit into Fallout well. It might be a little tougher than just turning the Legion into a generic tribe of jackasses; however, I feel as if it would be much more worthwhile.

Okay i also think this would be great. But it's far from what we got. I simply judged by what we got now and how much work it is because i honestly don't think anyone will ever put that much effort in some addon/DLC/mod too reach what we would like to see.

 

[Bal-Sagoth]

The Legion is fine, people are picking a bit to much at the differences between the historic Roman Empire and what the Legion was in the game. Take into consideration the time span between historic Rome and Fallout New Vegas, also take into consideration how much history was lost in that timespan and after a nuclear war. It makes sense to me that details would be misconstrued or flat out left out to fit some agenda, it would be unbelievable for me for an exact historic representation of the Roman Empire to rise out of the Wasteland.

 

[Threepwood]

Thats not the issue

 

[Idiotfool]

Thats not the issue

Reread page 1.

"The Romans didn't enslave everyone"; "Romans had advanced medicine, why would the Legion..."; "Should show aqueducts..." etc.

There's a lot of moaning here about how they're not historically accurate and little about what makes them a bad faction group for the game.

 

[Ilosar]

For me, the Legion just needed to adapt more to the post apocalyptic world to be OK. No matter what Ceasar says about fanaticism and such, tribals with skirts and Machetes should have no chances against trained soldiers with guns and combat armor. It requires massive justification to be somewhat believable (rigid discipline, broken NCR moral, superior Legion numbers) while just having a few guys with melee weps to draw fire and the rest with guns would have been much better and made more sense tactically.

That, and the sexism. I see no reason at all for that; I know Ceasar controls vast territories with lots of people, but leaving behind so many potential soldiers for no good reason seems unpractical at best. If they aren't 'strong' enough, well, let them use guns .

 

[Walpknut]

The Legion uses guns, and automatic melee weapons too, like chaainsaws and that thermal lance, the Legion also has a lot more people.

 

[Crni Vuk]

Thats not the issue

Reread page 1.

"The Romans didn't enslave everyone"; "Romans had advanced medicine, why would the Legion..."; "Should show aqueducts..." etc.

There's a lot of moaning here about how they're not historically accurate and little about what makes them a bad faction group for the game.

But he has a point. I have to agree the issue, the real main problem with the Legion is not that they use the Roman culture in a wrong way but that they show it in a ridiculous way (that armor they have is a joke ...) or how everyone is acting like a wana-be roman with latin names and latin speak, not a cool latin, more like a latin versino of leet speak.

But even that would not be so bad if the Legion would be at least in Vegas an interesting faction with as much content and difference inside like the NCR.

 

[AWildmann]

Thats not the issue

Reread page 1.

"The Romans didn't enslave everyone"; "Romans had advanced medicine, why would the Legion..."; "Should show aqueducts..." etc.

There's a lot of moaning here about how they're not historically accurate and little about what makes them a bad faction group for the game.

But he has a point. I have to agree the issue, the real main problem with the Legion is not that they use the Roman culture in a wrong way but that they show it in a ridiculous way (that armor they have is a joke ...) or how everyone is acting like a wana-be roman with latin names and latin speak, not a cool latin, more like a latin versino of leet speak.

But even that would not be so bad if the Legion would be at least in Vegas an interesting faction with as much content and difference inside like the NCR.

Maybe if the half-west map was almost full with NCR presence and half-east with Caesar presence, things would have worked out better;

And not just on the settlements, I mean, walking in enemy territory without a disguise would mean certain death, kinda like they said it would be. As the actual game is you don't really have to care since you can avoid the settlements entirely.

They could have some scouts on more places too.

 

[The Inquisitor]

I just wanted to note here that I thought the entire point was that Caesar's Legion has very little to do with the actual Roman Empire? Arcade Gannon, if you query him about Latin, talks about the Legion being a poor mimic of the Empire. Caesar himself thinks that he's a "King of the Gauls", leading uncivilized raiders, rather than a real Emperor at this stage - that's why he wants New Vegas in the first place.

(Edit - Woops, sorry for the thread necro)

 

[Korin]

Honestly, I'm not sure how they could have been not-terrible. Certainly less terrible. But still terrible. The whole faction just seems weird and out of place. I would have liked to have seen much more fleshing out and information about them. Their story seemed very skeletal to me. Mind you, I didn't side with them. Perhaps if you side with them, it's much more interesting.

I did like the idea of an army of slaves and conquered tribes however. I like the idea of a conquering dictator or "king" or even an emperor. A super power diametrically opposed to the NCR's way of thinking. A fascist dictatorship. Just the Roman theme was a bit much. They could have done something similar without it having to be Roman.