How Europe Fails Its Young

John Uskglass said:
WTF? That's what Jebus is doing here, not the other way around. It's US v. EU, not US v. Individual European Nations.

Or, hey, I'll be generous: pre-expansion EU.
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"US vs. EU" makes less sense than "US vs. Individual European Nation", because US is one country, while EU is 20 countries with separate and often very diverse education systems. It is therefore erroneous to say that "Europe fails its young", because there is at least one European country - Belgium - that *doesn't* fail its young. Capisce?
 
Graz'zt said:
John Uskglass said:
WTF? That's what Jebus is doing here, not the other way around. It's US v. EU, not US v. Individual European Nations.

Or, hey, I'll be generous: pre-expansion EU.
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"US vs. EU" makes less sense than "US vs. Individual European Nation", because US is one country, while EU is 20 countries with separate and often very diverse education systems. It is therefore erroneous to say that "Europe fails its young", because there is at least one European country - Belgium - that *doesn't* fail its young. Capisce?
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Actually, the comparison would be better served by State vs European country. If we are talking about public universities throughout the Unuted States, much of the funding can and does come from state governments as well. It is only supplemented by federal funding. Therefore, Virginia is far different from, say, Wyoming in its funding and equivalent student results. The University of Virginia is considered superior to the University of Wyoming. There are many reasons for this, but the tendency to lump all American universities together is flawed. Seeing as how our schools mix public and private funding and support, as opposed to pure federal funding of certain European universities, the comparison is not exactly equivalent.
 
Fireblade said:
Graz'zt said:
John Uskglass said:
WTF? That's what Jebus is doing here, not the other way around. It's US v. EU, not US v. Individual European Nations.

Or, hey, I'll be generous: pre-expansion EU.
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"US vs. EU" makes less sense than "US vs. Individual European Nation", because US is one country, while EU is 20 countries with separate and often very diverse education systems. It is therefore erroneous to say that "Europe fails its young", because there is at least one European country - Belgium - that *doesn't* fail its young. Capisce?
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Actually, the comparison would be better served by State vs European country. If we are talking about public universities throughout the Unuted States, much of the funding can and does come from state governments as well. It is only supplemented by federal funding. Therefore, Virginia is far different from, say, Wyoming in its funding and equivalent student results. The University of Virginia is considered superior to the University of Wyoming. There are many reasons for this, but the tendency to lump all American universities together is flawed. Seeing as how our schools mix public and private funding and support, as opposed to pure federal funding of certain European universities, the comparison is not exactly equivalent.
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The discussion here is about quality, not funding. Check the OESO studies.
 
The discussion here is about quality, not funding. Check the OESO studies.
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Funding might not always equal quality, but it's pretty damn important, especially here.

"US vs. EU" makes less sense than "US vs. Individual European Nation", because US is one country, while EU is 20 countries with separate and often very diverse education systems. It is therefore erroneous to say that "Europe fails its young", because there is at least one European country - Belgium - that *doesn't* fail its young. Capisce?
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Nations are meaningless these days, especially when Europe is concerned. The core EU is much better compared to the US then an individual European nation of 10 Million. NYC is bigger then that.

Sjeesh, it's funny how Americans always think their country occupies half of the world, houses half of the world's population, and constitutes half of the world's economy. It doesn't by a long shot.
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Our purchasing parity is at 8 Trillion Dollars, the Belgian Economy is at 316 Billion. Our nation's population is at 290, almost 300, million, Belgium's is at 10 million, smaller then several of our larger citie's metropolitan areas. Belgium's area is at 30,528 sq km, ours is at 9,631,418 sq km. Belgium could fit inside several American states, and fit in several several times over.

The two are not comparable. Europe, on the other hand, has a purchasing parity of 11 trillion, and it's area is at 3,976,372 sq km, less then one half the size of the US, and it has a population of 500 million.

Frankly, it's like comparing Luxembourg to Brazil.

Now, there are poor parts in both America and the EU, thus it is really only fair to compare them as a whole or as comparable states: for instance, Colorado to Belgium, Croatia to Missisipi, etc...
 
Comparison with Poland might be better. Portugal got super-wealthy over the past fifteen years.
 
I love how you just disproved your argument that the US is several times larger than "all of Europe combined" in economy, landmass and population.

While the USA is larger -- Europe is roughly 4/10th (or a little less than half) the size of the USA -- it is much less densely populated. The population is about 3/5th (roughly half) that of Europe, the purchasing parity is 8/11th (roughly three quarters) that of Europe.

So how does that fit your previous statement? How does the area mean anything if both the population and the purchasing parity are considerably higher for "all of Europe combined" than for the USA?

So, yes, the USA is considerably larger in all ways than any European country alone -- California alone is often said to have the potential for being the sixth strongest country. Yes, New York City is bigger than many European countries, but that is because the USA's population density is very heterogenous throughout the actual states and regions, whereas it is much more homogenous in most of Europe (the geographical, cultural OR political one).

If you use numbers to make a point, use numbers that support your point, not ones that disprove it. And if the numbers turn against you, at least adapt to that and rethink your statement.
 
What? I said the US was larger then Belgium. Or meant to say. I know the EU's combined economy is a bit larger then the US's, only natural considering how much bigger the EU's population is.
 
John Uskglass said:
What? I said the US was larger then Belgium. Or meant to say.
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Rly? Becuase you wrote this:

The US is a massive country, bigger then almost all of Europe combined in terms of population, economy and space.
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Unless you consider Belgium to be 'almost all of Europe', of course.
Granted, it is by far the most important part.

Funding might not always equal quality, but it's pretty damn important, especially here.
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Apparently not, because European students seem to turn out as better educated with less money. D'oh!


hot chicks and some pretty good history, things Portugal lacks
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OMG.
 
Hey try to read about the battles that took place in the iberian wars and you will find interesting history. I agree on the chick thing. All the hot chicks I saw was tourists.
 
Unless you consider Belgium to be 'almost all of Europe', of course.
Granted, it is by far the most important part.
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'Almost'. It's much bigger in terms of size, comparable in terms of economy and population.

Apparently not, because European students seem to turn out as better educated with less money. D'oh!
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No, sorry, they don't. Myth and stupidity.

OMG.
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Sorry. When the most important event in your history is when the Catholic Church promises you half the world, it's not that fun.
 
You people are confusing me again

I would appreciate it if, when I follow threads with half an eye open, you actually seperate the concept of the EU (which always includes the current colonies) and Europe (including or not including colonies and determining whether Russia and Turkey are wholly included or wholly excluded or partially included)

'cause this is just confusing.
 
John Uskglass said:
Apparently not, because European students seem to turn out as better educated with less money. D'oh!
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No, sorry, they don't. Myth and stupidity.
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Somehow, I consider OESO to be a bigger authority on the subject than you.


OMG.
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Sorry. When the most important event in your history is when the Catholic Church promises you half the world, it's not that fun.
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Duder, the treaty of Tordesillas is not the only thing that happened in Portugese history by far. Plus, they rly do have loads of hot women there.
 
Somehow, I consider OESO to be a bigger authority on the subject than you.
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Sorry, but I don't believe a continent who's intellectual establishment was dominated by Maoists four decades ago can ever claim to have intellectual superiority to anywhere in the first world.

Meh. You guys can be very smart at a lot of things. I think we, however, are smarter at diffirent things. You can call us stupid for Creationism; we can call you stupid for extreme right and left parties getting 10+% of the vote, communism still having an influence, etc....I don't really care, this argument has gone nowhere.


Duder, the treaty of Tordesillas is not the only thing that happened in Portugese history by far. Plus, they rly do have loads of hot women there.
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A little short for me, maybe. Don't know, I guess Brazillian women are hot enough that Portugese women probably had some influence.
 
John Uskglass said:
Somehow, I consider OESO to be a bigger authority on the subject than you.
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Sorry, but I don't believe a continent who's intellectual establishment was dominated by Maoists four decades ago can ever claim to have intellectual superiority to anywhere in the first world.
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That doesn't make an ounce of sense.

Meh. You guys can be very smart at a lot of things. I think we, however, are smarter at diffirent things. You can call us stupid for Creationism; we can call you stupid for extreme right and left parties getting 10+% of the vote, communism still having an influence, etc....I don't really care, this argument has gone nowhere.
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We're not talking about that kind of stupid here, but about education. Stop trying to weasel your way out of this.


Duder, the treaty of Tordesillas is not the only thing that happened in Portugese history by far. Plus, they rly do have loads of hot women there.
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A little short for me, maybe. Don't know, I guess Brazillian women are hot enough that Portugese women probably had some influence.
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That doesn't make an ounce of sense either. How could Portugese history be too short for you? What kind of a dumb statement is that?
And claiming that a country doesn't have hot women is even dumber. Every country does.
 
Did anyone ask you anything? Heh? Heh? Did you hear me say 'Ratty, why don't you smack you big wise-ass mounth in the middle of this conversation'? No, you didn't, eh? SO STFU AND GTFO
j/k
 
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