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Actually, the dove meat is very lean and the crust is made out of bisquick, milk, and flour. The most fattening thing in the whole pie is the cream of celary soup wich has like 5 grams of fat.Brother None said:The pot pie looks like a gross bag of cholesterol.
hehe, As an American, its be tough to be offended by cholesterol.Brother None said:I find that more offensive.
My buddy knows this dude that owns a bunch of farm l and outside phx. His farm is hope to a couple thousand dove... they eat more than 100,000 dollars of cattle feed every year.Zeal said:Where do you hunt them?
Kahgan said:This thread is a good example of how much people know about wildlife. Yes. There are doves outside of the city. And they are perfectly edible.
And since when was it worse to shoot a bird for eating than killing any domesticated animal on an industrial level for the same purpose?
[PCE said:el_Prez] His farm is hope to a couple thousand dove... they eat more than 100,000 dollars of cattle feed every year.
[PCE said:el_Prez]Finally - the dove are all GIGANTIC becuase they eat cornmeal all day. Similar to the difference between grain fed and grass fed cattle. More mass, better quality meat, and EASY pickens when you can go right to the HOME of a couple thousand birds![]()
alec said:[PCE said:el_Prez]Finally - the dove are all GIGANTIC becuase they eat cornmeal all day. Similar to the difference between grain fed and grass fed cattle. More mass, better quality meat, and EASY pickens when you can go right to the HOME of a couple thousand birds![]()
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Uhm... no.
[PCE said:el_Prez]alec said:[PCE said:el_Prez]Finally - the dove are all GIGANTIC becuase they eat cornmeal all day. Similar to the difference between grain fed and grass fed cattle. More mass, better quality meat, and EASY pickens when you can go right to the HOME of a couple thousand birds![]()
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Uhm... no.
You prefer grass fed beef? What are you some hippie that thinks that cows deserve a happy natural life? Besides who made you an expert?
If you disagree and think I'm wrong maybe you should put time into forming a sentence.
uh... ok?
That's fine and all, but what does it have to do with the quality of the meat? (Rhetorical question - answer: Nothing.)alec said:Depends. Personally, I thought it was a well known fact that cows have eaten grass for many many many many many centuries and are thus basically adapted to eating grass.
Feeding them grain (>90% made out of corn) is just... well... a somewhat human thing to try out, no? You should read up on what corn does to a cow's stomach. Seriously. Not that it'll change you, I'm sure it won't, but it's still educational.
So long as we're talking about a nicely marbled piece of meat, the more fat the merrier. Healthy ≠ Good quality. Sometimes, healthy stuff can be awesome, like cows that have roamed "free" and all - but if something's healthy is in no way an argument regarding it's quality, and what el_Prez was talking about was "better quality meat", not "veggie-ethical correctness".alec said:Also:
grass fed beef has up to 50% less fat, it has less saturated fats and it has a lot more omega 3.
Still, nothing to do with the quality of the meat.alec said:It's really easy to determine what is better, grass fed or grain fed: in the United States more than 90% of all cattle is grain fed. Now google 'obesity' and 'Americans'.
alec said:[PCE said:el_Prez]alec said:[PCE said:el_Prez]Finally - the dove are all GIGANTIC becuase they eat cornmeal all day. Similar to the difference between grain fed and grass fed cattle. More mass, better quality meat, and EASY pickens when you can go right to the HOME of a couple thousand birds![]()
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Uhm... no.
You prefer grass fed beef? What are you some hippie that thinks that cows deserve a happy natural life? Besides who made you an expert?
If you disagree and think I'm wrong maybe you should put time into forming a sentence.
uh... ok?
Depends. Personally, I thought it was a well known fact that cows have eaten grass for many many many many many centuries and are thus basically adapted to eating grass.
Yes, thank you for the lesson. Of course, I did grow up 5 miles from rural Indiana cornfields as far as the eye can see, so although I apreciate the free effort your not telling me anything i don't know.alec said:Feeding them grain (>90% made out of corn) is just... well... a somewhat human thing to try out, no? You should read up on what corn does to a cow's stomach. Seriously. Not that it'll change you, I'm sure it won't, but it's still educational.
Has it ever occurred to you that other people might PREFER fattier meat. Why do you think the majority of cattle are fed corn feed as opposed to grass?alec said:Also:
grass fed beef has up to 50% less fat, it has less saturated fats and it has a lot more omega 3.
I never claimed to be. But i know I've had grass fed meat and corn fed meat and I prefer the latter. So do most Americans. Your attempt to disagree with me seemed more like a troll than an a reply to dispute a claim.alec said:Wondering whether I am an expert on this subject is kind of lame seeing you're no expert either.
Don't let that hold you back. Lets hear it. I don't give a shit if poeple think i'm a dipshit redneck. I like to experience life from multiple prospectives. On a random weekend I could be in south phoenix at a hip hop club watching my friend (who's a small time rapper) perform on Sat night, and be drinking PBR in can, shooting dove on Sun morning. I could be with my girlfriend at fancy dinner, or at home with my dad getting stoned watching HBO. If you want to label me - go ahead. Want to say - what a redneck, that pie shit looks gross.... that's fine too. But I couldn't give a shit. I'm about to spark a J, and have some leftover pot pie for dinner.alec said:I'm not a hippy either. I would like to make a more bold remark to this... assumption you made, but seeing you are a mod, I'll pass.
Americans are obese because they have no self control. Not because the food they eat is fattening. Look at Kobe Beef. Considered the finest cuts in the world. The marbling is incredible.... and it costs a pretty penny too.alec said:It's really easy to determine what is better, grass fed or grain fed: in the United States more than 90% of all cattle is grain fed. Now google 'obesity' and 'Americans'.
Taste ≠ quality.Has it ever occurred to you that other people might PREFER fattier meat.
The only reason farmers get into feedlot beef is because it is way more profitable.Why do you think the majority of cattle are fed corn feed as opposed to grass?
If you want a scienific report on the matter, maybe you shouldn't ask me to explain, but rather google it or something? Just saying."Basically" adapted to eating grass eh? Very scientific research you've done.
Your attempt to disagree with me seemed more like a troll than an a reply to dispute a claim.
I find this quote to be extremely offensive. Rats are sweet rodents.Brother None said:Rats with wings.
No. It just doesn't. By that logic, a glass of water would have a higher and more exquisite quality than a glass of fine champagne.alec said:Wait... did you just read past it or something:
grass fed beef contains up to 50% less fat, less saturated fats and more omega 3's. That means the quality is better.
Sucks to be the cow - really, I wouldn't want to be that cow. Still - I can't believe you're not getting this - the ethical aspects have nothing to do with the quality of the meat. Tenderness does. Meatiness does. Texture does. General high grade superiority does. Taste does. And what constitutes as "high quality meat" is connected to subjective human values, but there is still an extremely established human consensus regarding what constitutes as high quality meat and low quality meat. I could go to any serious and professional butcher in the world and ask for some "high quality meat", and my definition of high quality meat is what I would get.And it's tricky shit: you can't just expect a cow to eat and digest corn. You have to teach it and while having it eat all the corn, you have to add antibiotics to its diet. It also raises a cow's level of acid in the stomachs. This is something unnatural for a cow (unlike for humans): cows have pH neutral stomachs. This means that simple acidosis is a serious sickness for a cow.
Same things again. Effects such as spreading E coli, dead cows, dead people, saturated fats - not pertaining to quality. (So long as a specific meat in question is not ridden with disease.) You might as well ramble some arguments about what music you like or which movies are good, trying to prove the low quality of tenderloin.alec said:So your marbled piece of feedlot beef is better, yes?
Sure it is: for all the antibiotic-resistant bacteria that are building up in your system, it is.
And the acidic stomachs of your grain fed cattle nurtures E. coli bacteria, which in turn kill people!
And don't forget that your marbled steak is marbled because it's clogged with saturated fats which will in turn clog up your system.
Urk. I totally agree that it's an asinine discussion. But instead of me "raeding up on the subject", perhaps you should buy a dictionary? (Then you could look up "raed" and explain it to me, for I recognize no such word...) Or, we could just both acknowledge that arguments along the lines of "Read up on the subject or something" are extremely immature, and that regardless of how we feel about this topic we should be able to keep a civil debate without resorting to ad hominem arguments. (I've thrown in some childish ad hominem arguments myself as a response to your rhetorics, demonstrating how they harm the discussion, since you insisted to bring them up.)alec said:Seriously: this is an asinine discussion. Raed up on the subject or something before making such naive statements, Luke.
YES! VICTORY!alec said:Alsoplustoo: I'm out of this thread. I just made a remark, kind of harmless really, sjeez, I'm not here to convert you. I just don't care enough about these things, to defend them to death. You win. Bye!![]()
Hehe, no, I just like meat a lotMutantScalper said:Lukester, I don't quite understand what your problem is with alec's definition. Makes perfect sense to me. Water is better for you on a daily basis then champagne. Are you possibly somehow connected with the industrial meat producing industry?![]()
MutantScalper said:Lukester, I don't quite understand what your problem is with alec's definition. Makes perfect sense to me. Water is better for you on a daily basis then champagne. Are you possibly somehow connected with the industrial meat producing industry?![]()
Dove is a game bird in just about every area it lives in the U.S. Hell, even in the city where it's illegal to shoot them - they find their ways into pot pies....MutantScalper said:Edit. On topic, that dove thing looks nice. I guess a dove qualifies as game meat when grown in good conditions with good nutrition etc.