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Fuck you. If someone deserves to consume air and nutrients in this hellhole its him. Instead, we have a skank-ass whore like Paris Hilton doing shitty reality shows and getting money by the dozens.

*edit*Sarcasm? What is that?
 
See the problem with the underage drinking legality is that you're not going to find something that says "underage drinking on private property is legal." You're also not going to find something that says "making out with your girlfriend is legal" or "beating it to lesbian swashbuckling pirate porn is legal."

The whole idea that towns are trying to impose ordinances to limit underage consumption of alcohol on private property is enough to realize that it is not currently illegal. And if something is not illegal, then it is, logically, legal.
 
I always just kind of assumed that if you had parental supervision and you WERE on private property, you could do it. It seems, though, that even if you do have parental supervision, it is illegal for anyone under the age of 21 to consume alcohol anywhere. At least according to those things you guys posted.

However, even if Cops DO see you drinking underage, they are not supposed to be allowed to do anything about it because it's a victimless crime.

Meaning, that both the cops and the kids were at fault. Did you have supervision of any kind? The cops really weren't supposed to do what they did, though, apparently.

I do think that Cops have a hard job. There are also some, though, that just like being the authority figure and dont care about being a good cop. Then there are those who really want to help people. Either way, you should know what you're getting in to before becoming one.

I agree, drinking really isn't good at all, haha.

And Stephen Hawking is cool... But MC Hawking is better!

BTW do you have lesbian swashbuckling pirate porn? :D
 
Momochi Zabuza said:
t seems, though, that even if you do have parental supervision, it is illegal for anyone under the age of 21 to consume alcohol anywhere. At least according to those things you guys posted.
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GAH! Did you completely miss my last post? It wrapped up and logically concluded the following:

I said:
The whole idea that towns are trying to impose ordinances to limit underage consumption of alcohol on private property is enough to realize that it is not currently illegal. And if something is not illegal, then it is, logically, legal.
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*sigh*

Just to clear this up, no matter what the other laws about private property are, there is one that is universal. Minor in possession of alcohol. Yes, regardless of other circumstances, if you have alcohol in your possession (even inside your body) it is illegal. Probable cause sorts out the rest of the dispute, the b.s. you posted about the law changes is only to make the officers job easier to explain how they got probable cause to enter and ask for identification.
 
King of Creation said:
See the problem with the underage drinking legality is that you're not going to find something that says "underage drinking on private property is legal." You're also not going to find something that says "making out with your girlfriend is legal" or "beating it to lesbian swashbuckling pirate porn is legal."

The whole idea that towns are trying to impose ordinances to limit underage consumption of alcohol on private property is enough to realize that it is not currently illegal. And if something is not illegal, then it is, logically, legal.
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Yes, but nobody states it's not currently illegal. They're stating it currently can't be punished, just like illegal downloading of music. Does that make it legal?
 
The cops in you're story, Murdoch, were jackoffs, plain and simple.

@Kharn: I can see where you're coming from, but the fact still remains that towns are trying to impose laws that will control underage drinking on private property. Since it is private property, one can legally do anything that is not listed somewhere as illegal (ie: people can get busted for having crack, unlicensed firearms, etc.). But, alcohol is completely legal on private property. Let me equate it to another example: Driving cars on public roads in America is illegal for anyone under the age of 16 (15 in some places.) However, you can drive all you want at any age on private property, like if you live on a farm and are driving a truck, or if you race cars on a track. My neighbor has been racing cars since he was 10. So the only thing that goes against town ordinances or whatever when you're having a party on private property would be noise. Not alcohol.
 
King of Creation said:
I can see where you're coming from, but the fact still remains that towns are trying to impose laws that will control underage drinking on private property. Since it is private property, one can legally do anything that is not listed somewhere as illegal (ie: people can get busted for having crack, unlicensed firearms, etc.). But, alcohol is completely legal on private property. Let me equate it to another example: Driving cars on public roads in America is illegal for anyone under the age of 16 (15 in some places.) However, you can drive all you want at any age on private property, like if you live on a farm and are driving a truck, or if you race cars on a track. My neighbor has been racing cars since he was 10
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Still another rule. It is specified in the traffic code that underage driving is legal on private property. Show me where it's specified that the same is legal for alcohol. If something is not specified, it's not so.

Private property doesn't magically turn illegal things into legal things, but it has to be stated in the law that you can get busted for it for the cops to bust you for it. For instance, in Holland, the cops can bust for possession of firearms or underage possession of weed, but they can not bust for underage possession of alcohol or downloading of illegal music. Doesn't make it legal.

Look, it's a small matter of nuance, and not a big deal. It is relevant for this:

KoC said:
So the only thing that goes against town ordinances or whatever when you're having a party on private property would be noise. Not alcohol.
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Neither really gives the cops the right to bust into your house, though they can "order" you to turn the music down.

But if they bust into your house already, for possession of drugs or whatever, and they see an underage person drinking, that person is breaking the law.

Like said, it's hard to find laws on this, especially for the US which has widely spread variances in laws and bylaws, but take the Oregon law for example:

Oregon law prohibits anyone, except a parent or legal guardian, to provide alcohol to a
minor or juvenile. A minor is any person under the age of 21 and a juvenile is any person
under the age of 18. Parents or guardians may legally provide alcohol only to their minor
child in a private residence when accompanying their child. A parent cannot transfer this
responsibility to another adult or to a public place. If you allow your property and/or
home to be used for a party where minors consume alcohol, other than your children in
your presence, you may have to forfeit property and may be issued a citation to circuit
court.

ORS 165.805 Misrepresentation of age by a minor
When minors misrepresents their age, they purposely are not truthful about their age to
prevent being in violation of the law. They are referred to juvenile court or cited into
Circuit Court. The minor will be fined and must wait up to one year to obtain a driver

license. (Class C Misdemeanor)
ORS 471.430 Minor in possession of alcohol
When minors are in possession of alcohol, they are either holding the alcohol, have
consumed the alcohol, or attempted to purchase. They will be referred to juvenile court
or cited into circuit court. The minor will be fined, driving privileges will be suspended
for up to one year, and/or the minor will have to wait up to one year to apply for a driver
license. Juveniles may be sent to an alcohol education course. (Class B Violation)

ORS 471.610 Confiscation of liquor and property
When any officer arrests a person for violating a liquor law, usually selling and/or serving
without a license, the officer may take into possession all alcoholic liquor and other
property used for the event. Other property that can be confiscated includes: bars,
glasses, chairs, tables, music devices, furniture, and equipment. This property is forfeited
to the state of Oregon.
ORS 471.620 Property or places subject to confiscation
Any room, house, building, boat, structure or place of any kind where alcohol beverages
are sold or given away in violation of the law shall be subject to confiscation. Anyone
who maintains or assists in maintaining such a place, violates of the Liquor Control Act.
ORS 471.410(2) Furnishing alcohol to a minor
No person shall sell, give or make alcohol available to a minor. A parent or legal guardian
may provide alcohol to their child in a private residence. If you provide alcohol to a
minor, you will be cited to appear in circuit court. (Class A Misdemeanor)

ORS 471.410(3) Controlling an area where minors are permitted to consume alcohol
It is illegal for someone exercising control over private real property to allow any person under 21 to consume
alcohol on the property. It is also illegal to allow any person under age 21 to remain on the property if they have
consumed alcohol. Private real property may include a hotel room, camp site, or any rented/leased location. If
you control an area where minors consume alcohol, you will be cited into circuit court. (Class B Violation)
ORS 471.565 Licensee, permittee and social host liability
As a social host, if you serve visibly intoxicated patrons or guests, you are liable for damages incurred or caused
by the patrons or guests away from your home.
ORS 471.567 Liability for serving minors; liability of a minor for misrepresentation of age
As a licensee, permittee or social host, you are liable for injuries caused by a minor who obtained alcohol
beverages from you when you did not properly check for identification. Minors who misrepresent their age and
cause a licensee to be fined or have a license suspended or revoked, are civilly liable for damages sustained by
the licensee.
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PS: to prevent confusion, when we say "underage drinking" we're referring to the entire process from buying, passing on, possessing and drinking the stuff.

PPS: can we stop talking about this yet? It all boils down to "the cops can't do anything about underage drinking on private property", the nuances of it are kinda pointless
 
Your parents are out of town (in Ireland this weekend), you invite a few people over (no more than fifteen), you stress that it’s to be a small, intimate affair.
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Do you reckon that they went to Ireland to drink themselves?!
 
Kharn said:
PS: to prevent confusion, when we say "underage drinking" we're referring to the entire process from buying, passing on, possessing and drinking the stuff.
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Right, underage purchasing of alcohol is illegal, no doubt. But I still doubt the illegality of drinking it on private property. Hell, now that I think about it, in some parts of the US, its even legal ( i guess) for underage kids to drink in public, as long as they didn't buy it. When I was down in New Orleans in April, we were on Bourbon Street, and a cop stopped two of these kids that were on the trip, and he asked them if they bought the alcohol they were drinking and how old they were, to which they responded "one of our friends bought it, and we're like 18." So either the cop was a moron, or its not illegal.



And I still uphold my point that if something is not listed in a legal document somewhere as being ILLEGAL, then by logical definition, it would be LEGAL.
 
King of Creation said:
When I was down in New Orleans in April, we were on Bourbon Street, and a cop stopped two of these kids that were on the trip, and he asked them if they bought the alcohol they were drinking and how old they were, to which they responded "one of our friends bought it, and we're like 18." So either the cop was a moron, or its not illegal.
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That's New Orleans. If the cops in New Orleans arrested and cited every person who was drinking underage, every person who is underage who has ever been to New Orleans would be have a marred record. I assume the cops have devoloped a blind spot as far as minors are concerned (people between the ages of 18 and 21). If the two people were under 18, I'm sure something would have happened.

Besides, that was New Orleans, Louisiana. Not Small Town X, Conneticut, where you live. Give it up, KoC. Just stop drinking and stop bitching. The police should have booked SOMEBODY that night. The fact that everybody got off with no violations is wrong in my opinion.

You came here looking for pity and you didn't get it. I can only speak for myself, but I didn't give it to you because what you and your friends were doing was wrong. I completely understand wanting to have a party with your friends. Being underage, I know what it's like not being able to drink. When I go to these parties, I understand that if I get drunk and the party gets broken up, the person responsible is not me, but whoever owns the property, even if they are not in attendance. I choose not to drink for their benefit. You should choose to do the same thing.
 
Perfect WaterGirl, I most likely couldn't have said it as well myself.

It seems like a rather wasteful post, but I want to impress on you King of Creation, that like WaterGirl said: "You came here looking for pity and you didn't get it."
 
I didn't come here looking for pity, I posted this just to say something. If I felt I needed your pity for whatever reason, or if I felt your pity would be worth anything at all, I would have said "pity me."

You're probably just jealous cause you can't throw a wild party like I can. :wink:
 
Wild party? Sheesh, you all just got drunk, KoC. If you wake up in a dumpster in some alleyway in Kazajstan with a scar and a thank-you-for-the-kidney note, YOU can say you were in a wild party.
 
King of Creation said:
You're probably just jealous cause you can't throw a wild party like I can. :wink:
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mmhhmm, I've got a feeling that the parties that Watergirl and Dove go to are a little more interesting than yours. :roll:
 
Murdoch said:
mmhhmm, I've got a feeling that the parties that Watergirl and Dove go to are a little more interesting than yours. :roll:
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Indeed...

I've been to parties that would give most people nightmares.
 
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