If You Could Fight Anyone From History, Who Would It Be And Why?

Supreme Shah Ismail said:
No idea if our Aryan/Iranian national identity is really the same as the european concept of one.
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It is.
Dr Fallout said:
It's not, it's barely alike. The closest relation is the name, otherwise they're very different.
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Has no idea what he's talking about.
Dr Fallout said:
Yeah, the Aryan belief of the Nazis has very little relation to Iran... it's weird how totally different they are.
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The Nazis literally recognized Iran as an Aryan nation and tried to use their common ancestry to better relations between the two countries.
They sent a lot of books and what not to Iran about their common heritage.
 
Dr Fallout said:
Sure, I guess you're the expert. Enlighten us.
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I've already explained this to you so I don't understand why you're still confused on this. Iranians come from the same migrations of the Ancient Indo-Europeans (Aryans) as the European and North Indian ones.
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Theres a reason in Persian theres words that are similar to ones found in our languages. We share a common ancestry. That's also why Iranians don't look like Arabs or other Semites despite the common misconceptions.
 
You mean that's it? He was talking about the concept of Aryans in Iran to the concept of Aryans in Europe. I don't think Hitler and the Fascist/Nazi movement was talking about that.
 
Dr Fallout said:
You mean that's it? He was talking about the concept of Aryans in Iran to the concept of Aryans in Europe. I don't think Hitler and the Fascist/Nazi movement was talking about that.
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Vergil said:
The Nazis literally recognized Iran as an Aryan nation and tried to use their common ancestry to better relations between the two countries.
They sent a lot of books and what not to Iran about their common heritage.
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They indeed recognized Iranians as an Aryan people.
 
Dr Fallout said:
I don't contest that, I just think that being Aryan was more to them then being from Iran.
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Yes, obviously as Ancient Indo-Europeans didn't come from Iran. But they did see Iranians as the same as them, descended from Ancient Indo-Europeans and held a common ancestry. The Iranians had the same claim to "Aryan-ness" as the Germans and other Europeans did.

"Iranians were immune to the racial Nuremberg Laws on the grounds that they were of Aryan Decent. In 1939, Nazi Germany provided Iran with what they called a Germany Scientific Library. The library contained over 7500 books selected "to convince Iranian readers ... of the kinship between the National Socialist Reich and the Aryan culture of Iran"."

It's actually pretty neat to read about since most people just assume Iranians are just arabs or whatever which they most definitely aren't.
 
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Supreme Shah Ismail said:
To be fair, you can hardly blame the people or the culture for that. Its a religious thing and more likely than not originated in Arab nations but yeah our goverment is a theocracy so...
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problem is i never seen that practice happen even in turks or KSA which majority were mostly sunni muslim. Its like some islam value were twisted due to iran have leftover persian culture and i think that could be say to genital mutilation; a cultural belief that somewhat make it way into religious belief due how strong it is. this is very depressing.
 
Dr Fallout said:
Uh-huh. So what's all that about blond hair and blue eyes?
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Blonde Hair and Blue-eyed people weren't the only people who could be considered "Aryan", that's a common misconception. It's just (in their views) that light hair and eyes came from the Aryan people originally so if you have light hair and eyes it's an easy way to tell you have a lot of Aryan genes in you.
There are no more "pure Aryans", the whole point is they've migrated and mixed with native peoples where they went.
Dr Fallout said:
And what's the whole 'Honourary Aryan' thing?
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Legit just an honorific title used to justify certain allies.
eissa said:
problem is i never seen that practice happen even in turks or KSA which majority were mostly sunni muslim.
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http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-38061785
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/w...law-marry-children-withdrawn-pm-a7431171.html
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...bandoned-Turkey-following-furious-outcry.html
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I don't think it's a culture issue.......
eissa said:
Its like some islam value were twisted due to iran have leftover persian culture and i think that could be say to genital mutilation;
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Isn't genital mutilation (circumcision) an inherent part of islam?
Like I said, I don't think it's an Iranian influence getting in the way here.....
 
Vergil said:
Blonde Hair and Blue-eyed people weren't the only people who could be considered "Aryan", that's a common misconception. It's just (in their views) that light hair and eyes came from the Aryan people originally so if you have light hair and eyes it's an easy way to tell you have a lot of Aryan genes in you.
There are no more "pure Aryans", the whole point is they've migrated and mixed with native peoples where they went.
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So I'm... part Aryan because I have blue eyes? I mean, when you look at it from a purely anthropological view it makes sense, it just becomes distasteful because of how cult like the Nazis were.
Vergil said:
Legit just an honorific title used to justify certain allies.
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Little white lies.
 
eissa said:
problem is i never seen that practice happen even in turks or KSA which majority were mostly sunni muslim. Its like some islam value were twisted due to iran have leftover persian culture and i think that could be say to genital mutilation; a cultural belief that somewhat make it way into religious belief due how strong it is. this is very depressing.
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Idk how much experience you have with Sunnis but they have their own fucked up practices too. I also imagine considering most Iranians are not that religious (not athiest necessarily but in Iran a lot of them don't attend Friday prayer any more) that anything like that wouldn't be widely practiced in Iran. Yes horrible things have been done by the Theocracy but Iran isn't nearly as bad Saudi Arabia when it comes to fucked up shit done in culture/government/law. The west likes to paint Iran as this evil totalitarian regime but It really isn't that bad, could be a lot better but still.

I have indeed heard about Iran and Germany's close relationship during WW2. Was never 100% certain if the Germans actually considered Iranians proper "Aryans" till now. (Also a reason the British and Ruskies invaded and occupied Iran briefly because they believed we were colluding with the Nazis, spoilers; we weren't) That said that probably wouldn't convince any alt right or neo nazis from just assuming I was Arab lol. Not that I really care since I don't care for that movement in the slightest. Tho it is kind of funny to tell people im Aryan and them doing a double take.
 
The Germans were also pretty close to the Arabs. Apparently one of the reasons the Arabs were so hostile to Israel (one of many) was because they were part of the Nazi attempts at using them like the Brits during WW1 and hence keen on anti-semitism.
 
Dr Fallout said:
The Germans were also pretty close to the Arabs. Apparently one of the reasons the Arabs were so hostile to Israel (one of many) was because they were part of the Nazi attempts at using them like the Brits during WW1 and hence keen on anti-semitism.
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lol Moslem distaste for jews goes back a little further than that lol.
 
I'd fight that midget from Star Wars who was in R2D2. Not only would it be an easy fight, but i'd get to boast I fought and beat R2D2.
 
Supreme Shah Ismail said:
Idk how much experience you have with Sunnis but they have their own fucked up practices too. I also imagine considering most Iranians are not that religious (not athiest necessarily but in Iran a lot of them don't attend Friday prayer any more) that anything like that wouldn't be widely practiced in Iran. Yes horrible things have been done by the Theocracy but Iran isn't nearly as bad Saudi Arabia when it comes to fucked up shit done in culture/government/law. The west likes to paint Iran as this evil totalitarian regime but It really isn't that bad, could be a lot better but still.
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isn't shi'i doesnt do pray just because it has something to do with waiting for the reappearance of Imam al-Mahdi aka the messiah? i could confirm it, i somewhere read it in al khulaini books (Kitab al-Kafi)

Vergil said:
Isn't genital mutilation (circumcision) an inherent part of islam?
Like I said, I don't think it's an Iranian influence getting in the way here.....
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Dont know, i once asked my friend that FGM is not practiced in certain country in arab maghreeb, and including turkey and iran. Also,
While clitoral hoodectomy is recognized (but not something that is mandatory) by most 4 school of madzab; FGM is unheard in hadith.

lol Arab/Moslem distaste for jews goes back a little further than that lol.
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Black Angel said:
You want a simple example that Islam is not what you think it is? Well, during the lives of Muhammad (peace be upon him), there's this blind Jewish beggar who lived his days, insulting and mocking the Prophet. In response, Muhammad himself fed the blind man everyday when the man is doing the badmouthing, and despite the blind Jew's words toward him, he fed him until his death.
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And not to mention the fact that andalusia were used to be place where jew, muslim and christian live together in harmony
 
eissa said:
Dont know, i once asked my friend that FGM is not practiced in certain country in arab maghreeb, and including turkey and iran. Also,
While clitoral hoodectomy is recognized (but not something that is mandatory) by most 4 school of madzab; FGM is unheard in hadith.
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But Male Genital Mutilation is a common practive, is it not? (it is)
eissa said:
*quoting islamic texts*
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Is this the same book that has his 6 year old wife or does that come later?
eissa said:
And not to mention the fact that andalusia were used to be place where jew, muslim and christian live together in harmony
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Not this meme again
https://home.isi.org/myth-andalusian-paradise
 
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