IGN Fallout 3: Six Hours of Exploration

[beverageleverage]

This is the stuff I think he's saying is ridiculous. And it is.

You may think it is ridiculous because you like what you are seeing. Myself and others don't. I am not exaggerating, you just don't agree with me. Nothing else to say about that.

 

[mandrake776]

This is the stuff I think he's saying is ridiculous. And it is.

You may think it is ridiculous because you like what you are seeing. Myself and others don't. I am not exaggerating, you just don't agree with me. Nothing else to say about that.

Half of it is speculation, the other half is fabrication.

 

[UncannyGarlic]

This is the stuff I think he's saying is ridiculous. And it is.

You may think it is ridiculous because you like what you are seeing. Myself and others don't. I am not exaggerating, you just don't agree with me. Nothing else to say about that.

Half of it is speculation, the other half is fabrication.

Most complaints are based on the information given, there is very little fabrication and the speculation ranges from reasonable (logically building on supplied information) to unreasonable (baseless acusations). That said, posts like that one are completely pointless and unproductive as you are making a claim with no evidence to support it (fabrication).

 

[mandrake776]

Most complaints are based on the information given, there is very little fabrication and the speculation ranges from reasonable (logically building on supplied information) to unreasonable (baseless acusations). That said, posts like that one are completely pointless and unproductive as you are making a claim with no evidence to support it (fabrication).

Read what I quoted, then try one more time. All of it is crap based pretty much entirely on his desire not to like the damn game.

 

[beverageleverage]

Read what I quoted, then try one more time. All of it is crap based pretty much entirely on his desire not to like the damn game.

No, you just disagree with my opinion that Fallout 3 has nothing common with the original outside of a name and a general theme. I think you have a desire to ignore and discredit anyone with an opinion different than your own, its a bit pathetic.

 

[mandrake776]

No, you just disagree with my opinion that Fallout 3 has nothing common with the original outside of a name and a general theme. I think you have a desire to ignore and discredit anyone with an opinion different than your own, its a bit pathetic.

I don't disagree, you're objectively wrong.

 

[beverageleverage]

I don't disagree, you're objectively wrong.

Does anyone else see a troll? I think you've made your point that you are best left alone with your delusions since you are unable to have any sort of intelligent discussion about them other than "No you are wrong and I wont say why because I am always right."

 

[mandrake776]

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[beverageleverage]

Yes, because your "I hate this and if you disagree you are not only wrong but an asshole and an idiot" is a much better approach. Look at Fallout 3 again. The differences between it and Fallout 1/2 are much smaller than the similarities.

If you're going to insult me and not actually argue, I'm not going to respond.

You've gotten beyond trolling and are somehow insulted now? This discussion isn't going anywhere but I want you to give some similarities between Fallout 3 and Fallout.

 

[mandrake776]

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[beverageleverage]

You've gotten beyond trolling and are somehow insulted now?

Whatever, pathetic delusional troll. I'm not insulted, I'm just not willing to engage someone whose idea of a cogent argument is to call the other person names.

Oh ok

Dont show me why you disagree and why I am so objectively off base by showing how much the two games have in common or anything...

 

[Mephestys]

Perhaps you two could take it into PM? This all seems woefully off-topic...

 

[mandrake776]

Perhaps you two could take it into PM? This all seems woefully off-topic...

You're right. I'll edit my posts.

 

[UncannyGarlic]

Most complaints are based on the information given, there is very little fabrication and the speculation ranges from reasonable (logically building on supplied information) to unreasonable (baseless acusations). That said, posts like that one are completely pointless and unproductive as you are making a claim with no evidence to support it (fabrication).

Read what I quoted, then try one more time. All of it is crap based pretty much entirely on his desire not to like the damn game.

I did and it's none of what you pointed out is speculation or fabrication, though there is exageration present but if you want me to respond to them then sure.

an adolescent's re-imagining of fallout's east coast.

Adolescent is not the best choice of words but the underlying point is that it is a simplified and wrong "interpretation". The game has factions and substances which are transplanted from the west coast with poor reasons, poorly implemented, and significantly changed (ex BoS [all three], Enclave [second two], Super Mutants [not sure about the first, second two], Ghouls [second two]). There are also ridiculous and unfitting additions that go in the face of the mood and message of previous games (ex Fat Man, nuclear exploding cars). The dialogue so far has been pretty poor and some has contained profanity that sounds like it's been added by a thirteen year old (ex conversation with The Sheriff).

As another mindless fps fallout 3

Completely taken out of context, it was in response to someone suggesting if it wasn't labeled as Fallout 3 and he was talking about if it was judged "as another mindless FPS".

Fallout 3 has no connection to fallout whatsoever except for the general theme, the fallout name, and as the 3rd canon game in the series. Bethesda's omission of everything fallout outside of a name is the problem.

This is an exaggeration but the underlying point is that it is severely lacking when it comes to material required for a game in the same serries.

Does anyone else see a troll? I think you've made your point that you are best left alone with your delusions since you are unable to have any sort of intelligent discussion about them other than "No you are wrong and I wont say why because I am always right."

Yes, because your "I hate this and if you disagree you are not only wrong but an asshole and an idiot" is a much better approach. Look at Fallout 3 again. The differences between it and Fallout 1/2 are much smaller than the similarities.

If you're going to insult me and not actually argue, I'm not going to respond.

You're providing short, substanceless responses with an aggressive tone and misquoting instead of showing why he's wrong, his reaction is understandable.

 

[mandrake776]

Adolescent is not the best choice of words but the underlying point is that it is a simplified and wrong "interpretation". The game has factions and substances which are transplanted from the west coast with poor reasons, poorly implemented, and significantly changed (ex BoS [all three], Enclave [second two], Super Mutants [not sure about the first, second two], Ghouls [second two]). There are also ridiculous and unfitting additions that go in the face of the mood and message of previous games (ex Fat Man, nuclear exploding cars). The dialogue so far has been pretty poor and some has contained profanity that sounds like it's been added by a thirteen year old (ex conversation with The Sheriff).

To address your last point first, I think it's easier to get away with cursing in games now than it was a few years ago. I'm not that fond of the exploding cars, but that's such a minor thing I can't even understand why people would say anything more than "that's kinda dumb". The Brotherhood of Steel was hardly likely to stay confined to one area, was factious in itself, and we really haven't seen the implementation on any sort of real scale (of any of these, so I'll let that stand for all of them). I think it's likely that the conditions in Bakersfield that lead to ghouls are not so impossible as to be the only place that they could have occurred. I haven't heard how the mutants are changed, but I think there were quite a lot of them and nothing keeping them from migrating. I have no idea about the Enclave in FO3 and so will not address it.

Completely taken out of context, it was in response to someone suggesting if it wasn't labeled as Fallout 3 and he was talking about if it was judged "as another mindless FPS".

Granted.

This is an exaggeration but the underlying point is that it is severely lacking when it comes to material required for a game in the same serries.

It's hyperbole delivered as if he meant it seriously. Also he repeatedly defended it.

You're providing short, substanceless responses with an aggressive tone and misquoting instead of showing why he's wrong, his reaction is understandable.

His reaction is inappropriate and unlikely to elicit a response other than "stop acting like an ass and I'll talk to you."

 

[UncannyGarlic]

To address your last point first, I think it's easier to get away with cursing in games now than it was a few years ago.

Games have had swearing for a long time, it's nothing new and not more prominent (certainly not more than a few years ago), it's just used more immaturely. Swearing isn't a problem, it's context that creates issues.

I'm not that fond of the exploding cars, but that's such a minor thing I can't even understand why people would say anything more than "that's kinda dumb".

This has been discussed a lot but the gameplay videos and the statement that they didn't allow you to select cars in VATS because it added too many targets to scroll through both suggest that they are both common and numerous.

The Brotherhood of Steel was hardly likely to stay confined to one area, was factious in itself, and we really haven't seen the implementation on any sort of real scale (of any of these, so I'll let that stand for all of them).

They were shrinking at the end of Fallout 2 and are a conservative, reclusive, xenophobic group, they aren't going to make a cross country trek and then go completely against everything that they stand for. Also, it seems like there will be an awful lot of BoS brothers with more power armor than they came with, especially considering that the group split.

I think it's likely that the conditions in Bakersfield that lead to ghouls are not so impossible as to be the only place that they could have occurred.

Having mindless zombies due to radiation exposure, radiation healing ghouls, and glowing ones being able to attack with radiation are the main problems as they all go in the face of canon.

I haven't heard how the mutants are changed, but I think there were quite a lot of them and nothing keeping them from migrating.

They capture and eat humans, are evil, and cannot be talked to. Also, while they were said to head east it was also said that there were radioactive dust storms (canon check someone?) to the east that prevented passage. As well as there being too many Super Mutants to have all migrated from the west (chances are these will be created from Chinese FEV).

I have no idea about the Enclave in FO3 and so will not address it.

The Enclave went from being a super secret shadow government group bent on exterminating everyone in the US to running a radio station, sending out Eyebots, and airdropping in everywhere with their vertabirds (run by petroleum which they don't/shouldn't have a source of).

It's hyperbole delivered as if he meant it seriously. Also he repeatedly defended it.

Alright so why not disprove him instead of saying "You're wrong,"?

You're providing short, substanceless responses with an aggressive tone and misquoting instead of showing why he's wrong, his reaction is understandable.

His reaction is inappropriate and unlikely to elicit a response other than "stop acting like an ass and I'll talk to you."

You're complaining about his reaction (the symptom) instead of solving the problem which is that "You're providing short, substanceless responses with an aggressive tone and misquoting instead of showing why he's wrong." If he continues to have the same reaction then you can complain.

 

[mandrake776]

Games have had swearing for a long time, it's nothing new and not more prominent (certainly not more than a few years ago), it's just used more immaturely. Swearing isn't a problem, it's context that creates issues.

I guess we don't play all the same games, because I remember it being odd to hear more than the very occasional curse in games until fairly recently. To answer it before it's asked, no I don't play GTA.

They were shrinking at the end of Fallout 2 and are a conservative, reclusive, xenophobic group, they aren't going to make a cross country trek and then go completely against everything that they stand for. Also, it seems like there will be an awful lot of BoS brothers with more power armor than they came with, especially considering that the group split.

I think it's entirely possible that they could make more and/or find some in military bases across the country. I didn't really get the feeling that they were shrinking in FO2, either, just that they weren't getting involved until it became necessary.

Having mindless zombies due to radiation exposure, radiation healing ghouls, and glowing ones being able to attack with radiation are the main problems as they all go in the face of canon.

Given an extra few years, many mutants could very reasonably degenerate into a feral state. The radiation healing ghouls are the glowing ones, aren't they? It's not that canon bending in a world with psychics that they could harness the radiation that they are putting out.

They capture and eat humans, are evil, and cannot be talked to.

All of 'em? Because I distinctly remember many times when you would come across mutants and instantly be in combat in the other fallouts.

Also, while they were said to head east it was also said that there were radioactive dust storms (canon check someone?) to the east that prevented passage. As well as there being too many Super Mutants to have all migrated from the west (chances are these will be created from Chinese FEV).

Perhaps they'll have an explanation for this. Who knows? The game isn't out yet, so it's hard to say that it's terrible.

(omitted information about the enclave because I'm vigorously avoiding spoilers about them)

Alright so why not disprove him instead of saying "You're wrong,"?

Not worth the time or energy to do so in my opinion.

You're complaining about his reaction (the symptom) instead of solving the problem which is that "You're providing short, substanceless responses with an aggressive tone and misquoting instead of showing why he's wrong." If he continues to have the same reaction then you can complain.

I pointed out some very hyperbolic vitriolic (I didn't mean to do that but they're the best words I can think of for the situation. I called him on it and he called me names. I'm done talking about it though.

 

[UncannyGarlic]

I think it's entirely possible that they could make more and/or find some in military bases across the country. I didn't really get the feeling that they were shrinking in FO2, either, just that they weren't getting involved until it became necessary.

It was explicitly stated that they were shrinking in power and size in the ending of the game.

Given an extra few years, many mutants could very reasonably degenerate into a feral state. The radiation healing ghouls are the glowing ones, aren't they? It's not that canon bending in a world with psychics that they could harness the radiation that they are putting out.

In Beth canon, feral ghouls are ghouls who were exposed to large enough doses of radiation to melt their brains and all glowing ones are feral. Also, all ghouls heal from radiation and multiple previews have given off the impression that glowing ones can control the radiation that they put out.

All of 'em? Because I distinctly remember many times when you would come across mutants and instantly be in combat in the other fallouts.

They said that you will not be able to talk to super mutants at one point so yes, all of them.

Perhaps they'll have an explanation for this. Who knows? The game isn't out yet, so it's hard to say that it's terrible.

No but judging by their other work and the backstory for the BoS, there isn't much hope for it being good.

I pointed out some very hyperbolic vitriolic (I didn't mean to do that but they're the best words I can think of for the situation. I called him on it and he called me names. I'm done talking about it though.

You said that he was speculating and fabricating his information (it came off as a general statement that all of what he said was thus) before he called you a troll. Also statements like "Not worth the time or energy to do so in my opinion," don't help. A discussion requires you to provide details, otherwise it's just a shouting match. If you're not going to provide any detail, at the very least when prompted, then don't respond and waste other's time responding to you.